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From what I see, I really don't think Big Jim has much reason to know the barber

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I was convinced from the book ...
Even before the first episode aired, there was a TV Guide article where it was mentioned that it was diverging from the book with the author's blessings.
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Even before the first episode aired, there was a TV Guide article where it was mentioned that it was diverging from the book with the author's blessings.
I wonder how much it diverged already. 99%? :P
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We spent quite a bit of time last season doing book / show comparisons .. I even compiled a list .. at this point, other than the existence of a Dome, little else remains plot wise ..
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When they showed the news feed in that other town when Jr.'s mom was watching TV it was dedicated to the dome and they were still talking about it and they were saying how they still haven't figured out what is going on, etc. etc. so yes they are still investigating it.
You investigate something by running away from it? Wouldn't you poke it and prod with every instrument you could think of? Wouldn't you be communicating with the people inside?

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Even before the first episode aired, there was a TV Guide article where it was mentioned that it was diverging from the book with the author's blessings.
I wonder how much Mr. King charges for a blessing.

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I wonder how much Mr. King charges for a blessing.
That is a very good question. My guess, considering the only thing the show has in common with the book at this point is the title, is a lot. An awful lot. CBS probably backed a dump truck up to King's house and unloaded a giant gob of money.
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That is a very good question. My guess, considering the only thing the show has in common with the book at this point is the title, is a lot. An awful lot. CBS probably backed a dump truck up to King's house and unloaded a giant gob of money.
You mean the King Compound is Maine .. ??


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Should they have addressed that he knows the check out clerk at the grocery store too? Come on, the last thing he is going to do in this crisis that is a few days old, is run and check if the local barber is OK.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Watch it with the spoilers, there! The grocer was going to be the surprise main villain for season 3!
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I wonder how much Mr. King charges for a blessing.
Given what happened to the end of Dreamcatcher the movie I would say he should be charging a lot more. Maybe that would dissuade people from destroying the books on camera.


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Given what happened to the end of Dreamcatcher the movie I would say he should be charging a lot more. Maybe that would dissuade people from destroying the books on camera.
I'm going out on a limb here, but as a King reader going back, er, decades .. ?? I'm going to say the film and TV flops far outnumber the books that did well ..

Why does "The Langoliers" keep popping into my brain .. ??

Where is Stanley Kubrick's ghost when you need him .. ??
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Why does "The Langoliers" keep popping into my brain .. ??
Apart from the effects, I still kind of like that one.

The idea transferred mostly intact if I remember correctly. Until the pac-men show up it wasn't that bad. The fault there lies in another downward spiral King ending. Might have worked quite well as a slightly funny Twilight Zone episode.


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Even before the first episode aired, there was a TV Guide article where it was mentioned that it was diverging from the book with the author's blessings.
I'm very much aware of that. I'm merely pointing out the two different paths involved. My bet is that the ending will still be essentially the same.
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I'm very much aware of that. I'm merely pointing out the two different paths involved. My bet is that the ending will still be essentially the same.
I read that the book's ending wasn't good?
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I read that the book's ending wasn't good?
Anticlimax is a good word, so is irony. It was all so simple.....
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Anticlimax is a good word, so is irony. It was all so simple.....
Yes, "anticlimax" is a good word, and "antithesis" is a good word, too. An anticlimax is perhaps the antithesis of a good ending, though...
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Really, their best friend the barber? You think this show should of addressed that he was friends with the barber and showed him checking in on the barber? That is ridiculously silly. Big Jim knows hundreds if not a thousand people in that town. Should they have addressed that he knows the check out clerk at the grocery store too? Come on, the last thing he is going to do in this crisis that is a few days old, is run and check if the local barber is OK.
But he wasn't introduced as just Joe the random Barber...

Rather... the barber is in a picture with Sam (Big Jim's brother-in-law) and Big Jim's "dead" wife... the barber was dating Big Jim's wife before Big Jim did... so two of the new people that showed up that Big Jim never thought to check on... turn out to have major ties to Big Jim... his brother-in-law and the guy who dated his wife before Big Jim did... and apparently the barber, Sam, and the not-so-dead wife are all in cahoots to boot!

That's the kind of people they can't keep bringing in from nowhere... they can bring in all sorts of new people that we haven't seen before... but not such major characters with major ties to the major characters from the show.

Yes... Big Jim seems to operate under the "keep your friends close... keep your enemies closer" mantra... and yet ignored the barber and his brother-in-law for several weeks.

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I can't help thinking that scene where we were introduced to Big Jim's barber had the barber shaving him - might be important. The imagery of him with a razor against BJ's neck might be foreshadowing murderous intent down the line.
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But he never wanted to be a barber. He always wanted to be a lumberjack.
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CBS’s “Under the Dome” rebounded from last week’s series low, posting a 1.9 18-49 rating at 10 p.m., up 12 percent over last week’s 1.7.
And simultaneously hit new lows with the stupidity of this ep, after starting off pretty decent with the first one. I want some of that magic chem that turns acid rain clear while it's falling. And don't even get started on the desperate attempts by MS to make Surface look cool.
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And simultaneously hit new lows with the stupidity of this ep, after starting off pretty decent with the first one. I want some of that magic chem that turns acid rain clear while it's falling. And don't even get started on the desperate attempts by MS to make Surface look cool.
Ditto. I think I might stop watching it starting on Monday. :/
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And simultaneously hit new lows with the stupidity of this ep, after starting off pretty decent with the first one. I want some of that magic chem that turns acid rain clear while it's falling. And don't even get started on the desperate attempts by MS to make Surface look cool.
Lesson to be learned? Hmmm...

Stupid brings more eyeballs, so what's the motivation to stop writing stupid things?

Hey, does anybody else think this show was inspired by SNL's "The Californians"?
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You investigate something by running away from it? Wouldn't you poke it and prod with every instrument you could think of? Wouldn't you be communicating with the people inside?
Yes when they launch a trident missile at it that devastate the area for miles around and people that touch it have died. You start to stop probing it with everything you have and start taking a more logical look at it.
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But he wasn't introduced as just Joe the random Barber...

Rather... the barber is in a picture with Sam (Big Jim's brother-in-law) and Big Jim's "dead" wife... the barber was dating Big Jim's wife before Big Jim did... so two of the new people that showed up that Big Jim never thought to check on... turn out to have major ties to Big Jim... his brother-in-law and the guy who dated his wife before Big Jim did... and apparently the barber, Sam, and the not-so-dead wife are all in cahoots to boot!

That's the kind of people they can't keep bringing in from nowhere... they can bring in all sorts of new people that we haven't seen before... but not such major characters with major ties to the major characters from the show.

Yes... Big Jim seems to operate under the "keep your friends close... keep your enemies closer" mantra... and yet ignored the barber and his brother-in-law for several weeks.
He is not going to check on them, he knows a lot of people, a lot of people with very close ties. He is awfully busy with his son, the killings, hangings, hunts, dome magnetism, Dome red rain, etc. etc. etc. in just a few days to go running to a house of someone he knows to go, hey, are you OK. When he finally has time and goes to his friend the barber, you complain. What, you expect an episode where he visits everyone he knows and checks in so you can see the actors playing them? He finally sees one and checks in and you complain.

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He is not going to check on them, he knows a lot of people, a lot of people with very close ties. He is awfully busy with his son, the killings, hangings, hunts, dome magnetism, Dome red rain, etc. etc. etc. in just a few days to go running to a house of someone he knows to go, hey, are you OK. When he finally has time and goes to his friend the barber, you complain. What, you expect an episode where he visits everyone he knows and checks in so you can see the actors playing them? He finally sees one and checks in and you complain.
I never said they couldn't do it... I said it's a trick they can't keep pulling over and over. I don't think you're reading what I'm posting. They can introduce all the new people they want, because we haven't seen everybody in town. BUT every time they introduce a new person and that person turns out to have strong ties to one of the main characters, it stretches credibility.

You're arguing that Big Jim wouldn't check on everybody... and that's 100% correct... but he would check on important people and people with which he had strong ties... he would ignore everyone else. Those are the people they should introduce as new characters. If every few episodes we find more people that are strongly tied to Big Jim... then you have to start asking why didn't Big Jim check on those people sooner?

Season one had his "best enemy" the farmer dude who was controlling the reservoir that they needed... and the sheriff and reverend who were in on the drugs with Big Jim... then the drug lady comes in and that's when Jim finds out he and Barbie are connected through her... now this season he's suddenly linked to the barber who dated his ex-wife and that the barber and Jim's brother in law are tight and know Jim's wife didn't really die but I guess just left town... and so it goes.

Is every new character they drop into the show going to have longstanding ties with Big Jim? That's what I'm saying... they can't keep doing that. Your "he can't check on everyone" argument falls apart if everyone they introduce us to is his best friend, his lifelong enemy, or related to him... those are exactly the people he should be checking on when stuff went down.

I'm saying the next batch of new people they introduce us to in the town had better have ties to someone else... and not Big Jim... that's all I'm saying.
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I never said they couldn't do it... I said it's a trick they can't keep pulling over and over. I don't think you're reading what I'm posting.
I understand the concept and find if they do it over and over until the cows come home it will still be the least contrived thing about the show.
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Yes when they launch a trident missile at it that devastate the area for miles around and people that touch it have died.
Tridents are a nuclear missile, that would have been serious overkill!

It wasn't one if those, it was an incorrect version of a MOAB - the largest conventional warhead available. In reality it isn't a missile, it's a large bomb dropped by cargo plane. Maybe they shouldn't have made a big deal about calling it by it's name on the show for dramatic effect.
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And simultaneously hit new lows with the stupidity of this ep, after starting off pretty decent with the first one. I want some of that magic chem that turns acid rain clear while it's falling. And don't even get started on the desperate attempts by MS to make Surface look cool.
God, the built-in commercials for Microsoft Surface just leave me cold. It makes far more sense to believe that there's zero WiFi, zero cell phones, zero everything in the area. It's a ridiculous conceit that the tablets sometimes work, when it's convenient to the plot and when they have a product to sell.

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Tridents are a nuclear missile, that would have been serious overkill! It wasn't one if those, it was an incorrect version of a MOAB - the largest conventional warhead available. In reality it isn't a missile, it's a large bomb dropped by cargo plane. Maybe they shouldn't have made a big deal about calling it by it's name on the show for dramatic effect.
In the book, it was just a very large conventional weapon, not nuclear. It did burn and knock down all the forest surrounding the town, and that was shown correctly in the show. They couldn't use a nuclear weapon because a wave of nuclear dust would've blown towards other nearby cities and towns, plus it would've polluted the area for 50+ years.

BTW, nobody's yet explained that the Dome is not really a Dome: it's really a sphere, and goes under the town as well as above it. They can tunnel down and escape, and a lot of the plumbing and power connections are down. As the old song went, "so high you can't get over it, so low you can't get under it."

I'm still baffled there's so much electricity still going on in the town. They made it clear in the book that the generators only lasted a few days, and we're about 3 weeks into these adventures and the lights are still on in many places. Very screwed up. King has said that once the producers explained their plans, he said, "I have no plans with whatever you do, as long as it's a town with a Dome over it and some of the characters are named the same as the novel." There's clearly a big divergence here and there.

I'm kinda bummed out that in the book, the character of Barbie is a brave ex-military guy who's now a drifter and a short-order cook. Turning him into a hit man for a drug organization makes absolutely no sense to me. The character of the red-headed woman (who runs the town newspaper, a plot point lost in the show) was 20 years older than he was, so there was a very interesting dynamic in that he was a guy in his late 20s, she was a woman who was close to 50. Now, they're both good-looking 30-year-olds, which completely tossed the book's premise.

I don't mind them changing things to make them better, but in this case, I think they just changed it to stick to a standard TV stereotype. Stupid.
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BTW, nobody's yet explained that the Dome is not really a Dome: it's really a sphere, and goes under the town as well as above it.
That was in the first season when they went underground to try and escape and found the dome blocking the shaft. I think it was also brought up when they found the mini "dome" in the middle of the woods too.
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