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The renewal was announced many months ago

I thought that renewal was for the full eps this season not for 2014-15.

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I thought that renewal was for the full eps this season not for 2014-15.

Yes, this is correct as far as I know. The decision to renew for a second season I don't think is expected until next month.
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I kind of gave up on this show back in late November, and tried revisiting it after seeing Cap 2 (i still had it recording).

I think I actually like it less after seeing The Winter Soldier. The opening of that movie is what I thought this show was going to be. I though Shield would be like CTU which is how it is portrayed in the movies. Whoever the "agents" were would be like Rumlow, Hawkeye, and Romanov - competant field agents who kill terrorists.

This show was all over the map. The tone of it is much closer to a live action cartoon series. It has too much goofy - it reminds me more of the Xmen animated series I watched as a kid than an action show like 24.


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I'll take live action X-men animated series style show any day! That series was the shiznit!
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I'll take live action X-men animated series style show any day! That series was the shiznit!

I am not that well educated and am only a poster on this site but aren't "live action" and "animated" opposite things?

My opinion is that Arrow is the best live action comic book tv show I've seen. I'm too young to remember The Green Hornet and the old Batman was just campy although I loved it as a kid.
There have been good animated series. I know some people really love the Batman ones (I'm not so sure). I thought X-Men Evolution (that I watched with my kids) was a really good reboot of the series really bringing home the issues of prejudice and family.
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AoS has gotten better for sure.  But I agree with others that Arrow is in a whole other league and is the best live action comic book inspired TV series I have seen.

 

And yes, the X-Men Animated series (late 90s?) was by far the best of any of it.


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I am not that well educated and am only a poster on this site but aren't "live action" and "animated" opposite things?

You missed the word 'style' in his sentence. Translation: he'd like a live action version of a show that has a similar style/tone to the old X-Men animated series.
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The early 90s X-Men cartoon was my real introduction into comic books and whatnot. It happened right around the time of the Batman Animated Series, Death of Superman and the start of Image Comics. I collected the entire X-Men Fleer Ultra 94 card set and all that jazz.

But the animated show was definitely a kid focused cartoon. Thats what I mean by style. Very basic characterizations with little need to know their motivations. It liked it as a 10 year old, but when it was on Netflix a year or two ago I tried watching it and its definitely a lightweight kids program.

I tried watching the animated Ultimate Avengers movie on Netflix too - its very similar to Agents of Shield as well. Id use words like silly, goofy, hammy, etc to describe it. Not how real adults would behave in any way.

And I didn't think Agents of Shield would have any "super" people. Maybe during the premier, finale, and sweeps, but I assumed it would be about them taking out nuclear materials smugglers, pirates, foreign spies, etc. Chasing the Ten Rings or later on Hydra.


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As for Fury, yes, in the original timeline of the comics he was the leader of the Howling Commandos as the comics with him were out in the 50s and 60s thus his age wasn't an issue.  Thing people here need to remember that the MCU is not on the same timeline nor the same universe.  Fury for example in the movies never fought in WW2, he wasn't alive yet.

We don't know this, though.

During the 1990s Fury of Shield was the same Fury that was in WW2. They explained it in the comics as he had help to remain younger over the years. The comic Nick Fury's life has spanned a long time.

While the current movie universe is set in the current day... they have not yet said whether or not Fury is an "old soldier"... he very well could be, they just haven't had a need to bring it up. Don't be surprised if a young Nick Fury doesn't show up in the Peggy Carter series.

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We don't know this, though.

During the 1990s Fury of Shield was the same Fury that was in WW2. They explained it in the comics as he had help to remain younger over the years. The comic Nick Fury's life has spanned a long time.

While the current movie universe is set in the current day... they have not yet said whether or not Fury is an "old soldier"... he very well could be, they just haven't had a need to bring it up. Don't be surprised if a young Nick Fury doesn't show up in the Peggy Carter series.

Did you SEE what he recovered from???? Fury AIN'T normal.
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We don't know this, though.

During the 1990s Fury of Shield was the same Fury that was in WW2. They explained it in the comics as he had help to remain younger over the years. The comic Nick Fury's life has spanned a long time.

While the current movie universe is set in the current day... they have not yet said whether or not Fury is an "old soldier"... he very well could be, they just haven't had a need to bring it up. Don't be surprised if a young Nick Fury doesn't show up in the Peggy Carter series.

Wasn't he white at one point too?
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Did you SEE what he recovered from???? Fury AIN'T normal.

I didn't see Cap 2... but I gather he was put through the wringer.
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Still is... at least in the main Marvel Universe... though they have created a Sam-Jackson-inspired version there too.

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This was a really good episode. A few laugh out loud moments from the dialog (a good thing) including Coulson's reaction at the end.
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This was a really good episode. A few laugh out loud moments from the dialog (a good thing) including Coulson's reaction at the end.

Yes, some really good humor at points. And I enjoyed seeing Maria Hill from the Avengers.

But I did have a major issue with the end "we'll get Ward". If you wanted to get him, all you had to do was keep your big, fat mouth shut another 30 seconds and he'd be dead.
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This was the closest thing to Buffy since it went off the air.

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This was the closest thing to Buffy since it went off the air.
I hope Ward doesn't turn good then seeks redemption like Angel. wink.gif
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This was the closest thing to Buffy since it went off the air.

I agree. This show jerks us back and forth between action packed drama and hilarious slapstick. Whatever the showrunners have been doing, it's working, it seems to me. Based on the mayhem we have seen Ward commit, I can't imagine that they are somehow going to turn him back in to a Good Guy but, then, this is television where anything is possible.
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Speaking of "television" as far as this show goes, what are any of your thoughts about how the style of this show works now versus a higher intensity higher drama show. I feel this show is currently more middle of the road probably to appeal to a larger demographic. But do you think if you moved the dial more towards a CSI/Law and Order level plus a little bit of the Nick Fury chase scene in Cap2, it would work better? Just curious.
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Do you mean should they go the route of Nolan's Batman trilogy? Dark and serious? Me personally, no. For this show to work they have to fully believe in the concept and play it straight, without taking themselves too seriously. .Which is, now that I think about it, how Stan Lee wrote the comics way back when I was a lad.

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Do you mean should they go the route of Nolan's Batman trilogy? Dark and serious? Me personally, no. For this show to work they have to fully believe in the concept and play it straight, without taking themselves too seriously. .Which is, now that I think about it, how Stan Lee wrote the comics way back when I was a lad.

The style of Nolan's Batman is a bit too strong for AOS I think. I agree with you about how the comics were written. But there is a distinct difference between the Marvel movies and this television show. There's always goin to be a difference just based on scale but do you prefer the intensity to be a little closer to the Marvel movies or leave it as "not taking itself quite as seriously"? I tend to think the latter is preferred for this show; however, it's weird when you bring a movie personality like Lady Sif or Agent Hill to the show.
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Good episode. Skye shoulda let Ward die and then decrypt the hard drive. I too hope for no redemption for Ward. He doesn't deserve it. I hope the show's writers & showrunner have some balls and let him die and move on in Season 2.
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IMO, this episode is just as strong as any of the last three as I really get the sense of a story unfolding in layers. Questions answered, others develop and total buy in of all the characters. That being said, I do feel that Skye would have let Ward die; howevver, from a longer term developing story standpoint, you can't have a "future superhero" kill anyone (or allow anyone to die) in cold blood, right? After all, that would be compromising her integrity.

I was initially concerned about them unfolding the reveal of Ward and the rescue of Skye in a rushed fashion because many shows do that and it always feels that way...rushed. However, I didn't get that impression at all with this episode. It was very well done with still enough elements to maintain the suspense going forward with "Skye's surprise" and the appearance of Deathlok (nicely done!) not to mention Coulson's reveal.

Did anyone catch Deathlok's message that said "Garrett is done waiting"? Do you think that was Garrett speaking in third person or another party that may have future relevance?

And the Coulson thing...perhaps I need to watch it again or wait for further details over the next couple of episodes but I understand it and don't understand it if that makes sense. I get there were complications but what exactly happened with him and who is he? Regardless, it's quite intriguing.

Lastly, for now....I feel that they have and to a degree are writing Agent Triplett's character intentionally to create the question is he good or bad. I personally think he's Shield all the way and is developing an increasing and genuine loyalty to Coulson (and vice versa). But I guess the longer term question is will he ultimately live or die? With Ward now a bad guy (and I don't think there is a redemption story in play or at least not a total redemption story...he may sacrifice his life to save Skye...maybe) the team will be down to only Agent May as a specialist unless Triplett sticks around. But I can just as easily see them expiring his character in some heroic way to at least leave a good taste in everyone's mouth about his character. I was initially thinking that Ward essentially kidnapping Skye was going to lead to some power struggle between the two and something would kick in and Skye would turn into whatever superhero we speculate. But it doesn't look like it's going to play out that way, at least not this season so we may have to wait until next season (at least) to see where things go with her. Perhaps I'm not the only one with these thoughts but I am starting to question FitzSimmons a little bit. I felt that Fitz' outburst about Ward was a bit overplayed (not from an acting standpoint) and in the back of my mind I keep thinking about how knowlegable he is about a number o fthings. The whole "weakling geek" thing plays well but that outburst caused me to wonder. In somewhat of an opposite way I feel the same about Simmons in that she's too quiet and coy. Especially lately. She was on such a huge personal mission (along with Fitz mind you) to find out what was given to save Skye but now there's no real urgency about her about anything now. That's just suspicious to me. Anyone else with thoughts about this?
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Well that was a very good episode by any standards from start to finish. Even Brett Dalton is showing interest character shadings this week instead of either "boy scout" or "evil traitor"...

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You know, I've toyed with the idea Simmons could be Hydra. Fitz too, but they seemed to deal with that when Hand accepted him as loyal. But Simmons, the question never came up until last night when Fitz asked point blank. I THINK the show was trying to tell us she is in the clear, but I'm not 100% on that.

Maria Hill was handled perfectly I thought. Sorta like: "Okay kiddies, you can relax. The A team is here now." Much better done than Fury's cameo I thought.

And if this was my show we could expect:

A knockdown, no holds barred fight to the death between May and Ward

Skye trying to appeal to Deathlok's humanity one more time, only to be attacked . In saving herself we get the first hint of what she really is.

Garrett should get away. Paxton is too good a villain to lose.

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........ In somewhat of an opposite way I feel the same about Simmons in that she's too quiet and coy. Especially lately. She was on such a huge personal mission (along with Fitz mind you) to find out what was given to save Skye but now there's no real urgency about her about anything now. That's just suspicious to me. Anyone else with thoughts about this?

She's been a wee bit occupied with some other minor stuff going on, don't you think? tongue.gif So no, not suspicious at all, IMO.
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Yes, I was taken aback and laughed out loud there too. Then thought about it for a little while afterward, wondering, even as I was entertained by it, if this was a plausible or authentic character reaction. But then I quickly accepted that it was just far too entertaining to matter either way. biggrin.gif

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You know, I've toyed with the idea Simmons could be Hydra. Fitz too, but they seemed to deal with that when Hand accepted him as loyal. But Simmons, the question never came up until last night when Fitz asked point blank. I THINK the show was trying to tell us she is in the clear, but I'm not 100% on that.

Maria Hill was handled perfectly I thought. Sorta like: "Okay kiddies, you can relax. The A team is here now." Much better done than Fury's cameo I thought.

And if this was my show we could expect:

A knockdown, no holds barred fight to the death between May and Ward

Skye trying to appeal to Deathlok's humanity one more time, only to be attacked . In saving herself we get the first hint of what she really is.

Garrett should get away. Paxton is too good a villain to lose.

Yeah but regarding Simmons being asked, it made sense given the circumstances so what would you expect her to say, is my thinking. There's no obvious deception for the audience and made sense character wise. Who knows...I still question them, mainly her.

I actually agree about Agent Hill, which some reviews if the show didn't speak favorably of her. Not that I put too much stock in a review but but I didn't get that. I really like how they brought her in am incorporated her into the events while also including some backstory, or should I say, side story about Stark and her involvement. That's important because it allows the viewer to imply similar alternatives to the other "Avengers" characters that so many believe should show up all the time. One thing that gets me about Agent Hill though is she's supposed to be next in command behind Fury. While a trusted colleague she doesn't exude much by way of command. Particularly for something like heading up Shield. She actually comes across more as an operative than command. Just an observation but it could be scripting too.

You very well may get your wish between May and Ward. She's got an ax to grind for a few reasons.

I can see the Skye/Deathlok scenario too but perhaps more towards teaming up in a race against time going after Garrett to somehow disarm the "bomb in his brain". I agree that Garrett is a good villain to keep around but killing him may be the only way to "free" Deathlok.

It could also come down to A Deathlok/Garrett duel since they both have the centipede tech.
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Did anyone catch Deathlok's message that said "Garrett is done waiting"? Do you think that was Garrett speaking in third person or another party that may have future relevance?

The message referred to Garrett in the third person, so whoever is sending the messages isn't him.

Since both Coulson and Skye know that they were resurrected with alien juice, does this mean that they both get to go crazy in season 2? tongue.gif
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A knockdown, no holds barred fight to the death between May and Ward

 

Agreed.  She'll kick his ass off a 50 story building!  Or down an elavator shaft.

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Something like that...maybe.


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Putting aside the horribly bad special effects when they were in the flying car and Sky ruining their chance to capture Ward and Ward being able to take out over half a dozen cops by himself and not one fired a single round when this guys goes balastic or tazer him, this was a good episode. I laughed pretty hard at Colson at the very end when he realized what happened, classic Colson moment.

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