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2013, the year the FBI dumbed down in almost all TV shows... what did The Following started?

Did Keen just kept her cool at almost dying or the actress just doesn't cut it showing more emotions?

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Another episode where an evildoer apparently hasn't heard that "calling Raymond Reddington" is a sure way to get yourself killed or captured. Don't these guys talk? You know what the criminal underworld of this show needs? A Facebook page!

I'm not sure that the evildoers have a FB page where they discuss how they were brought down by their association with Reddington. On the other hand, eventually when they are taken in instead of being eliminated the possibility that word gets out does go up. The local brotherhood of Evildoer Underlings and Thugs (EUT) might question why their bosses meet with Reddington and then they are soon out looking for work.
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Some episode, watching his usual wacked out performance by Tom Noonan brought me back to Michael Mann's Manhunter. There he kid-napped a young blind Joan Allen, here Lizzie....Only thing missing was Spader coming through the door to save Lizzie with In a Gadda Da Vida playing!!! Ha Ha, gotta see it... I thought her performance here as a drugged kidnap victim was pretty good.
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I didn't think there was enough of Polaroid left for product placement.

It's not a Polaroid. It's a Fuji.

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I think I'm done with the show. I already waste too much time with questionable TV shows, and this one just insults what is left of my intelligence way too much. Can't the FBI secure a location, for cryin' out loud?
Sorry, but I looked real close on the ol' 90" because it was such a weird looking camera. Very clearly was the current Polaroid 300.
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I don't like Keen's bosses, they're up to something involving the cover-up of her husbands identity.

Keen may still be Red's daughter but he did pull out a photo of a young girl out of the stewmakers book and you could tell she meant something to him.
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Some say she's believable as an agent and also compared her to Jodie Foster's role but I see it differently. Foster never seemed green but never incapable. I believed Foster had the same training as other agents. Keen doesn't seem trained at all. And frankly, as a profiler is concerned I haven't even seen much of that. But after this episode, which I thought was very good, much like the girl in 24, I'm already tired (good and tired) of something always happening to Keen. Spades is completely carrying this show, the writing of say is decent but it's all definitely formulaic. Everybody else is just kind of there. And Keen's husband...she gets kidnapped, stabbed in the shoulder, drugged and he's so cool calm and collected "oh honey let's run away for the weekend like college kids" just leaves me "WTH?!" Being supportive and loving and understanding and all of that I get but where's the concern? Even if he were public ally known as an agent, spy, whatever he would still have some level of concern. Weird and not working.
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Enjoy Spader "being Spader"....delivering his lines and his facial expressions. Let's have some fun.
Will be interesting to see what happens in the remaining episodes.
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Hi,
Most of these posts are too jaded in tone. You all have been spoiled by having such a variety available for viewing. The Blacklist has been picked up by our local TV station here and I, for one, am enjoying it. I have always like James Spader and find the show interesting compared to most of the swill usually shown. Here in 'down-under land' we have just started coming into the 20th century by broadcasting in digital format and shutting down analog stations. So finally shows like 'Blacklist', 'Elementary", 'Homeland' to name a few are being shown on free-to-air television instead of pay TV.

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Okay, so Reddington just ratted out another blacklister. This time the guy was sitting in Red's plane when he was apprehended. So this guy is going to go through the system and not tell any of his fellow evildoers what happened? Doesn't he get a phone call? And what about the sudden absence of The Stewmaker the next time some villain needs to have a victim dissolved? My goodness... again I ask, don't these guys talk?

But hey, great show otherwise! Love the performance of Spader who really sells it. He's a baddie, yet he makes the character sympathetic, which makes us like him, which keeps us watching. I just don't know how long I can continue to suspend disbelief that Raymond Reddington's reputation would soon be, if not already, radioactive mud amongst the ultra-criminal set. Instead, they keep calling him for solids, and keep getting busted. What chumps. They're dumber than the FBI on 'The Following'.
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Hi,
Most of these posts are too jaded in tone. You all have been spoiled by having such a variety available for viewing. The Blacklist has been picked up by our local TV station here and I, for one, am enjoying it. I have always like James Spader and find the show interesting compared to most of the swill usually shown. Here in 'down-under land' we have just started coming into the 20th century by broadcasting in digital format and shutting down analog stations. So finally shows like 'Blacklist', 'Elementary", 'Homeland' to name a few are being shown on free-to-air television instead of pay TV.

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I agree with you that Blacklist is a good show, by the somewhat lower standards of the Big 4 networks anyway, and James Spader is a joy. I think most of the reservations expressed here, including mine, are merely quibbles and most of the rest of us have been enjoying the show too. Is Blacklist as good as Breaking Bad? Hah! Nevertheless, it is a serviceable TV series that will probably be fun this season at least. Of course, as it goes forward into additional seasons we can probably count on the network suits at NBC to turn it into a soap opera, at which point I will find something else to watch.
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Okay, so Reddington just ratted out another blacklister. This time the guy was sitting in Red's plane when he was apprehended. So this guy is going to go through the system and not tell any of his fellow evildoers what happened? Doesn't he get a phone call? And what about the sudden absence of The Stewmaker the next time some villain needs to have a victim dissolved? My goodness... again I ask, don't these guys talk?

But hey, great show otherwise! Love the performance of Spader who really sells it. He's a baddie, yet he makes the character sympathetic, which makes us like him, which keeps us watching. I just don't know how long I can continue to suspend disbelief that Raymond Reddington's reputation would soon be, if not already, radioactive mud amongst the ultra-criminal set. Instead, they keep calling him for solids, and keep getting busted. What chumps. They're dumber than the FBI on 'The Following'.

I think what you're describing will happen in time, but it's still a bit too soon. We're led to believe the ultra-criminal set is vast and numerous, and while they're aware of one another and perhaps do business from time to time, it's not like they're a super-tight family or swell pals that hang out at the local bar and swap stories. They probably only deal with each other as much as they have to.

Add the fact that the FBI only busted a handful so far, with many (most?) of them feasibly explained/spun in public as excellent agent work, I could see the underworld not catching on--yet.
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Can someone recap for me how Red is allowed to do anything he wants in the real world, go anywhere, even out of the freaking country, and the FBI lets him. I can't recall how that all happened and why he can leave the country.

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Because he negotiated that as part of the immunity deal.
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Can someone recap for me how Red is allowed to do anything he wants in the real world, go anywhere, even out of the freaking country, and the FBI lets him. I can't recall how that all happened and why he can leave the country.

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Because he negotiated that as part of the immunity deal.

Exactly... and he negotiated that they put the super-secret tracker chip in his neck too... so they can track him, unless he goes into somewhere with good shielding.

Meanwhile... to the other thoughts on "why don't the bad guys figure him out"...

Undercover Boss?

They keep making that show... keep having people go "undercover" and pretend to be "winning a contest" or something... and none of those people suspect it might be an Undercover Boss episode?

They got away with that by filming at least a whole season before it aired... but once the episodes started airing, I am surprised people still fall for it...

Reddington will be able to get away with this until he is ever 100% directly tied to something. Keep in mind that he has been in the wind himself for 20 years, according to the backstory, so he has had a LONG time to earn trust from these bad guys... and I'm sure more than one bad guy has tried to cross him in the past or suggest he might be a mole... so there are going to have to be a lot of ducks in a row for the bad-guy world to really turn on him in any meaningful way. I agree, though, that there is a shelf-life here... I mean we can't be 5 seasons down the road and him still be in good with all the underworld... so eventually they have to twist and turn the plot.

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Enjoyed how Reddington casually dumped The Stewmaker into his own soup.

Did you really want this guy put into an asylum?
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To the point of "being able to do whatever he wants" I get that his movements are being tracked and that there is "value" to having him out moving about as he normally would. And I am quite fond of how he is so callas about being a criminal to the FBI. But as in the last episode, when he does things like toss the Stewmaker into the "soup" and is picking up jars and pulls the photo out of the album, it seems to be a little too much believable freedom. He even took a piece of evidence off of their evidence wall. And it's not like this is all slight of hand stuff so much but rather more he does what he wants in their face. Maybe that's just me.
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To the point of "being able to do whatever he wants" I get that his movements are being tracked and that there is "value" to having him out moving about as he normally would. And I am quite fond of how he is so callas about being a criminal to the FBI. But as in the last episode, when he does things like toss the Stewmaker into the "soup" and is picking up jars and pulls the photo out of the album, it seems to be a little too much believable freedom. He even took a piece of evidence off of their evidence wall. And it's not like this is all slight of hand stuff so much but rather more he does what he wants in their face. Maybe that's just me.

There was only one eyewitness to what he did to the Stewmaker, though... and given her trauma and thinking she was barely saved from being dumped into the stew herself... it doesn't look like she will talk, so Reddington can easily say it was "him or her" and he saved the agent while "accidentally" killing the Stewmaker. Unless and until she says what really happened, he is off the hook for that.

BUT... I do agree with you about taking evidence. It doesn't seem like his freedom should extend to walking around crime scenes. I'm not a criminal and not under FBI watch (I hope) but I can't just wander into crime scenes and take stuff. Reddington shouldn't be walking around evidence like that.

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While she 'knows' what happened, she did not witness it, as her back was turned.....and she was in a bit of a traumatic state.

Oops, one bad guy getting what he deserved.
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An OK episode last night. Thankfully the husband knows a little more know. Well, I guess they both know more eek.gif
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Was that "Skinny Pete" from Breaking Bad as Spader's confidant at the beginning, and end of last night's episode????
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Was that "Skinny Pete" from Breaking Bad as Spader's confidant at the beginning, and end of last night's episode????

Indeed it was. Charles Baker.

I told my wife he was responsible for the laser sights during the raid on the French woman's nightclub. No word on Badger's participation. biggrin.gif
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So, I gather that the passports on that box are with Keen's aliases and the apple guy must be playing them against each other?

Nice to see Skinny Pete again, very different role.

Robert Knepper was amazing as always, he plays the weird bad guy very well..

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Yup, they both now seem to be under each others' suspicion. At least he seems to be willing to confront her about his find.

I just can't believe how much those FBI types cram into a single day's work. Amazing!
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Okay, so Reddington just ratted out another blacklister. This time the guy was sitting in Red's plane when he was apprehended. So this guy is going to go through the system and not tell any of his fellow evildoers what happened? Doesn't he get a phone call? And what about the sudden absence of The Stewmaker the next time some villain needs to have a victim dissolved? My goodness... again I ask, don't these guys talk?
What makes you think Lorca was apprehended by the FBI? They show nothing, and the hint from the agent was pretty clear he understood that Red was going to kill Lorca with prejudice. Turn him in? Not. One uber-criminal killing a drug lord is not going to make other baddies think Red is an "asset", but someone not to piss off. Which is no doubt what they already thought.

And most people can't even find the stewmaker, or think he's a rumor. His death (untraceable in his own soup) isn't going to say "FBI!!" to anyone.

I've had the same thoughts about Red becoming known as an asset, so I've been watching it closely. The first couple episodes were questionable, but Stewmaker and Courier have been quite "clean" for Red's position, if you ask me.
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And Keen's husband...she gets kidnapped, stabbed in the shoulder, drugged and he's so cool calm and collected "oh honey let's run away for the weekend like college kids" just leaves me "WTH?!" Being supportive and loving and understanding and all of that I get but where's the concern? Even if he were public ally known as an agent, spy, whatever he would still have some level of concern. Weird and not working.
Why would he know? She isn't telling him details of her job. He doesn't even know she works for the FBI, IIRC.
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So, I gather that the passports on that box are with Keen's aliases and the apple guy must be playing them against each other?

That was my take as well.
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What makes you think Lorca was apprehended by the FBI? They show nothing, and the hint from the agent was pretty clear he understood that Red was going to kill Lorca with prejudice.

I didn't get that at all. What I heard was Red telling the agent that they could find Lorca in Red's plane. The inference was that Red was going to let the FBI pick him up there. Why else would he have made that comment?

But OTOH, during this week's episode, Harold made mention of the fact that Red had killed four people since he started working with the FBI. Lorca may have been among them, but I admittedly haven't been paying that close attention to the body count.
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I didn't get that at all. What I heard was Red telling the agent that they could find Lorca in Red's plane. The inference was that Red was going to let the FBI pick him up there. Why else would he have made that comment?

But OTOH, during this week's episode, Harold made mention of the fact that Red had killed four people since he started working with the FBI. Lorca may have been among them, but I admittedly haven't been paying that close attention to the body count.
It's not in front of me now, but I did watch it again last night with someone. Red didn't begin that thread of conversation. The agent said 'it must be hard letting someone show disrespect like that', with the simple counter, "he is on my plane", with "is" accented. I took it to mean already in the air, and who knows whether Lorca will arrive living or at a destination he wanted. Probably neither.

Red's other little comments here and there, disinterest in that episode until Stewmaker was a possibility (and his interest personal), and general attitude suggest the writers are doing ok so far on the point of keeping him a bad guy.

To be clear, it was more what the agent said than Red. I don't have a quote in my head, hence the paraphrase.
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I just pulled the plug on this on the DVR. While Spader is fun to watch (although he's not straying too far from 'type") I'm getting that aroma that often wafts from a moderately successful program on NBC. I can smell the 'notes' from network executives that maybe a couple of unrelated or improbable story arcs be introduced so if one line of narrative goes south, the writing staff can quickly shift gears and go another way without all that costly new casting and such. Same thing happened with "Heroes" and a number of other programs. The producers get about a half-dozen episodes in the can, get an order for more along with a stack of suggestions from the network suits asking "What if... black helicopers...mysterious mother/brother/wife... prior life as a ninja...?" and whatever the unique premise was that got folks to watch in the first place gets lost.

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Good call with relating this to Heroes. I get that too. There are elements of greatness with this show but there is a mundaness that is starting to happen. And I'm not a queezy guy by any stretch but the violence whether real or implied is a turn off for me. I think mainly because I don't feel it belongs on broadcast tv. But that's me.
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Good call with relating this to Heroes. I get that too. There are elements of greatness with this show but there is a mundaness that is starting to happen. And I'm not a queezy guy by any stretch but the violence whether real or implied is a turn off for me. I think mainly because I don't feel it belongs on broadcast tv. But that's me.

I am shocked by the violence/gore on broadcast this season.
Hopefully kids nowadays are sent to bed at 9PM and dont see this stuff if there parents let them stay up late.
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