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Atlantis was fun but shallow and was really becoming tired in the final season. Unless it was a Rodney McKay Show episode.

SGU started out drab and unimaginative. Suffering from the same problem that Human has in that it kept ignoring the sci-fi to be more "dramatic" and accessible. The second season it really started to pick up though and it finally started using some imagination and high concepts and less arguing about who got the best bunk, who should wear the captain's hat that week and which indie group they were going to soundtrack the montage with.

There's a lesson here somewhere. Be brave and embrace your concept or don't bother. The list of drama shows which succesfully balance high ratings and high nerd quotient isn't that big.


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Enterprise was not kept alive by fans, it was kept alive by UPN trying to hit a syndication number and so the network did not have to start new programming for it's final years. It was barely coasting with 2 million viewers in it's final season.

UPN had no pull in it being kept alive for syndication, as it would have no income from said syndication. That goes for each and every network.

The production company, Paramount in this case (at the time), would be the company that would get income for any syndication deals.

That's not to say that Paramount didn't work out a deal with UPN for episode pricing that would help keep it alive.

One has to be careful about sweetheart deals though. There have been lawsuits over such deals.

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I'm generally with this show. It has some good things and the bad seem somewhat minor.

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I'm not quite sold on Karl Urban as a TV series actor yet... he comes off kind of cheesy.
I really enjoy him in movies, but there's just something not quite right about his acting on the small screen- something with his voice/inflection kind of bothers me?

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Yeah, Love him in all/most of his Movie roles especially RED. lol

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but the only thing you've demonstrated with this list is that you really have no clue what you are talking about. rolleyes.gif

Plus of course the show that is infamous for being resurrected and dragged slowly to it's death due to fans isn't even sc-fi. It's Baywatch. Most shows that survive past their prime because people like to keep watching the same thing over and over are not science-fiction at all. The level of quality the mainstream audience will accept has always been several bars lower than any science-fiction fan.

No, your posts simply prove you're clueless. Thanks for demonstrating it!
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I can count the number of series I have scheduled to record and later removed on one hand (that hadn't been cancelled)... another one or two episodes like the last and it might well be up to two hands.

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The thing about that last episode... Kennex shoots the villain, a police captain, dead, without hesitation or reaction. In any other show, this would be a pivotal moment, something that would shape the series forever.

Maybe it will be, in which case I'll need to change my opinion of the show. But I'm betting that the ending of the episode -- where the case was closed, everyone was congratulating everyone else, we got some lame lighthearted character interplay, and the fact that a detective acted as judge, jury, and executioner of a fellow cop was never even alluded to -- is an indicator that this isn't the sort of drama the show is interested in.

If it's nothing but a cheap action show with no point of view -- which is all we've seen so far -- it's a waste of time, IMO.

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but the only thing you've demonstrated with this list is that you really have no clue what you are talking about. rolleyes.gif

Plus of course the show that is infamous for being resurrected and dragged slowly to it's death due to fans isn't even sc-fi. It's Baywatch. Most shows that survive past their prime because people like to keep watching the same thing over and over are not science-fiction at all. The level of quality the mainstream audience will accept has always been several bars lower than any science-fiction fan.

No, your posts simply prove you're clueless. Thanks for demonstrating it!

Sure they do. I'm sure everyone will agree because facts are irrelevant on the internet.

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The thing about that last episode... Kennex shoots the villain, a police captain, dead, without hesitation or reaction. In any other show, this would be a pivotal moment, something that would shape the series forever.

What made that more weird was that it came after Kennex had a humor transplant in the previous two episodes. It would have made more sense if this episode had happened after the pilot when he was still Bad Mood Cop.


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UPN had no pull in it being kept alive for syndication, as it would have no income from said syndication. That goes for each and every network.

The production company, Paramount in this case (at the time), would be the company that would get income for any syndication deals.

That's not to say that Paramount didn't work out a deal with UPN for episode pricing that would help keep it alive.

That's what happened. The Trek licenses for Enterprise were significantly lowered to convince UPN to keep it on air. The now infamous Dawn Ostroff would never have kept it around much longer anyway, even if fans loved the show.


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The thing about that last episode... Kennex shoots the villain, a police captain, dead, without hesitation or reaction. In any other show, this would be a pivotal moment, something that would shape the series forever.

Maybe it will be, in which case I'll need to change my opinion of the show. But I'm betting that the ending of the episode -- where the case was closed, everyone was congratulating everyone else, we got some lame lighthearted character interplay, and the fact that a detective acted as judge, jury, and executioner of a fellow cop was never even alluded to -- is an indicator that this isn't the sort of drama the show is interested in.

If it's nothing but a cheap action show with no point of view -- which is all we've seen so far -- it's a waste of time, IMO.

Wait a minute...

Judge, jury, executioner?

Dredd!!!

The circle is complete.
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the show is not going to take itself seriously. And that's probably a good thing.
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Wait a minute...

Judge, jury, executioner?

Dredd!!!

The circle is complete.
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No, your posts simply prove you're clueless. Thanks for demonstrating it!

Here's a hint: around here it is never a good idea for a newbie to get nasty with a long time and well respected poster who has dealt in facts rather than invective. Also, when you find yourself in a hole, it's a good idea to stop digging. smile.gif
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the show is not going to take itself seriously. And that's probably a good thing.
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the show is not going to take itself seriously. And that's probably a good thing.
Hasn't everyone figured out that this is a new take on the traditional "Buddy Cop" show in the same vein as the Rush Hour, 48 Hours, Lethal Weapon and Shanghai movies? Two complete opposites are paired together against the will of one to accomplish a common goal. In this case, an android teaches an angry cop how to regain his humanity. This genre never takes itself too seriously.
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Having fun enough so far to keep watching.  I don't expect it to last past this season which usually means I just give up on a show, but I'll keep watching to the end as it's good enough entertainment for me.


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I really can't fault the show for covering up budget related reasons to zoom in on scenes that might show 2013-tech instead of 2048-tech. Honestly, it's a TV show. I don't expect them to build massive outdoor sets and have extensive use of CGI everywhere to convince me it's the future. It's not a movie. It's petty to consider that a complaint of this show.

The scripts, storylines, and acting however are fair game. I agree that maybe a step away from the procedural cop drama and towards finding out more about the DRNs, Android manufacturer, maybe at a minimum more storylines that feature other Androids (this is one of the reasons I didn't think the sexbot episode was as bad as most of you... it at least concerned robots) would be ideal.

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The thing is, good science fiction is about world-building. You can't just go "he's a thug; he's a robot; together they're pure comedy gold" and call it sf.

Cop shows normally operate against the background of the real world, and therefore don't have to explain it. That's how TV dramas can focus on whether the character behavior is believable and engaging; the assumptions don't require exposition about the world itself.

Science fiction carries a greater burden. If it's now OK to beat up suspects, you have to explain what changed in society to make that acceptable again. If there's no journalistic scrutiny of the actions of the police, why not? If there's no concern with making arrests that will stand up in court, what happened to the legal system?

The world of Almost Human needs to be explained a little bit more thoroughly than "high-tech criminals running rampant can only be thwarted by robots."

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The world of Almost Human needs to be explained a little bit more thoroughly than "high-tech criminals running rampant can only be thwarted by robots."

That's the funny thing about this show, too. The opening credits plainly state that crime has risen to such high levels that police alone can't stop it, they need to partner each cop with a robot just to have the numbers. So right away, we've got the lack of available officers as a central conflict providing drama for the show.

Then in this previous episode, we see dozens of human cops trying to solve this hostage situation, with a minimum of robot assistance. And really, they need to explain why there is a lack of individuals wanting to be cops. What changed that made crime more lucrative? Are punishments more or less lax?

It seems facile to compare this to Dredd (mainly due to the karl Urban factor), but at least that universe explains that crime has become so rampant that the only solution is to allow the police to act as judge, jury and executioner. And that being a Judge in the first place is dangerous because the criminals aren't afraid of killing cops.

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Then in this previous episode, we see dozens of human cops trying to solve this hostage situation, with a minimum of robot assistance. And really, they need to explain why there is a lack of individuals wanting to be cops. What changed that made crime more lucrative? Are punishments more or less lax?
The explanation was criminals have better tech than cops.
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The Pilot seemed to hint at an I-Robot theme. The way the robot cops scanned the humans' vitals, reported the findings to other robots and acted as if they were superior to the humans, made me think that Robot v Human story arcs would emerge. The feeling androids would be on the human side. Maybe it's still coming.
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The Pilot seemed to hint at an I-Robot theme. The way the robot cops scanned the humans' vitals, reported the findings to other robots and acted as if they were superior to the humans, made me think that Robot v Human story arcs would emerge. The feeling androids would be on the human side. Maybe it's still coming.

If that or something equally compelling isn't coming, I'll be going.

I like Ealy and his chemistry with Urban, but I have neither the time nor desire to add a traditional cop procedural to my limited tube-time, limited sci-fi tropes not withstanding.
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Based on what we've seen so far any allusions to "I, Robot" should be treated as all the other influences the show is pulling from should. Just atmosphere. The backstory and mythology is barely a sketch and the show doesn't seem to be in any hurry to elaborate.

Tonight we get to see the lawyers in action for some future court action. I'm not expecting much from that premise but at least it will be a change from a sci-fi show that has aliens putting humanity on trial. Maybe they will start discussing if it's possible Data, I mean Sonny an android, can commit murder. wink.gif


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Based on what we've seen so far any allusions to "I, Robot" should be treated as all the other influences the show is pulling from should. Just atmosphere. The backstory and mythology is barely a sketch and the show doesn't seem to be in any hurry to elaborate.

Tonight we get to see the lawyers in action for some future court action. I'm not expecting much from that premise but at least it will be a change from a sci-fi show that has aliens putting humanity on trial. Maybe they will start discussing if it's possible Data, I mean Sonny an android, can commit murder. wink.gif

If they can have sex, do police work (shot perps) and in the military (not shown but guessing) they can do murder. Maybe the whole twitchy model thing they always mention?
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If they ca have sex, do police work (shot perps) and in the military (not shown but guessing) they can do murder.

If a toaster electrocutes an innocent person is that murder or a malfunction?

According to Will Smith only a human can murder another human.

That Asimov dude might have an opinion too. wink.gif

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If that or something equally compelling isn't coming, I'll be going.

I like Ealy and his chemistry with Urban, but I have neither the time nor desire to add a traditional cop procedural to my limited tube-time, limited sci-fi tropes not withstanding.
I agree with you about cop procedurals.
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I agree with you about cop procedurals.
OTOH, if this series would emphasize its humor it would be enough for me.

I agree. Network police procedurals are often pretty bad. I have decided to stick with Almost Human, though, because of Karl Urban's charming and entertaining performances and the almost equally charming and effective Michael Ealy as Urban's android partner. What can I say? The boys are funny. smile.gif
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I agree. Network police procedurals are often pretty bad. I have decided to stick with Almost Human, though, because of Karl Urban's charming and entertaining performances and the almost equally charming and effective Michael Ealy as Urban's android partner. What can I say? The boys are funny. smile.gif

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