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American supercars are the auto equivalent of incestuous inbreeding. Why anyone would spend money on any of them, over their European "equivalents", is beyond me.

Of course. Beating multi 100k Euro super cars with cheap American iron, sporting push rods for Gods sake (cover your eyes!) , functional A/C systems, and clutches that last longer than 10k miles is so bourgeois.

The only thing the Eurosnob driver really has to worry about is getting his Chardonnay drinking pinky finger broken by the Z06's mirror when getting out braked into the next corner.
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I too would like to see them be a "world" player but what do they have to offer?
At the moment, not much.

Back 10 years or so back, Ford came out with their "replica" Ford GT to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the company.
By all accounts, an extraordinary bit of engineering and design.

Unfortunately, there was ZERO attempt at taking the thing racing.
It turned out the Ford Brass thought of it as nothing more than marketing device.

An absolute racing chassis with 600hp and retro good looks to die for.
Priced at $150k, it wasn't exactly a cheap ride at the time.
If it would have been a N.A. engine with more than 8 cylinders, I would have bought one.

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With the withdrawal of Strakka Racing at LeMans an American team has been added, http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/sports-cars/american-team-krohn-racing-awarded-late-entry-for-le-mans/
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American supercars are the auto equivalent of incestuous inbreeding. Why anyone would spend money on any of them, over their European "equivalents", is beyond me.
If I may....
1. American Supercars are NOT "European equivalents," the European approach to Supercars is VERY different.
2. Because domestic Supercares are built in the U.S., they are typically less expensive.
3. In terms of performance, the Corvette and Viper can hang with anyone (check the history of Le Man winners).
4. Often, Corvettes/Vipers are just as or more aesthetically appealing when compared to Euro vehicles (see the Audi R8).
5. Buying American, keeps Americans employed and profits here.

I say all of this because I have driven Corvettes AND Ferrari 458s.
Is the Ferrari 5 times the car (based on sale price)?
Uh, no...not even.
Our 2 "supercars" are something to be proud of.....
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........I say all of this because I have driven Corvettes AND Ferrari 458s.
Is the Ferrari 5 times the car (based on sale price)?
Uh, no...not even.

That's because with a Ferrari 1/5th is for the car and 4/5ths is for the badge.
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That's because with a Ferrari 1/5th is for the car and 4/5ths is for the badge.
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I bet if you switched badges on a Corvette and Ferrari everyone would still want the Ferrari.

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^^^^^ True.
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You can have your dancing pony, i'm sticking with good old American iron. 😃
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No one really struggles with the idea of whether to buy a Corvette or a Ferrari. If a Corvette is all you can afford you get a Corvette. If you can afford a Ferrari you get a Corvette and a Ferrari.

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Watched highlights of the Isle of Man TT, this weekend.... holy ****ing **** those guys are nuts. 200 MPH on a 37 mile course that makes it very easy to "make friends with a tree". And the sidecars... not really sidecars, but like a platform for a guy to move around on to shift his balance.

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Watched highlights of the Isle of Man TT, this weekend.... holy ****ing **** those guys are nuts. 200 MPH on a 37 mile course that makes it very easy to "make friends with a tree". And the sidecars... not really sidecars, but like a platform for a guy to move around on to shift his balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUa0dduw9o
Yi thats great stuff. Many consider it the most dangerous race in the world. If the trees dont get you the cliffs will.

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The Isle of Man TT was once on the "old MotoGP" calendar. It was removed for obvious reasons. eek.gif
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Yi thats great stuff. Many consider it the most dangerous race in the world. If the trees dont get you the cliffs will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Snaefell_Mountain_Course_fatal_accidents

Gee, I can't imagine how anyone would consider it dangerous... eek.gif
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Snaefell_Mountain_Course_fatal_accidents

Gee, I can't imagine how anyone would consider it dangerous... eek.gif

Good god. Looks like 1982 was the only year without a death.

This is possibly an even crazier stat. You aren't supposed to be racing on the parade lap.

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That's because with a Ferrari 1/5th is for the car and 4/5ths is for the badge.
But you already know that oink. tongue.gif
I wouldn't go that far.wink.gif

The 458 drives unlike any car I have ever driven.
There is a connection one can actually FEEL between you and the road.
Adrenalin and heartbeat rises considerably.
It's a car you have to DRIVE, it doesn't drive you.

The Vette makes the driver feel more isolated from the environment and is a better choice as a daily car.
Powerful, but doesn't mind being driven slow.

In terms of performance, it's a toss-up for the most part.

Would I take a 458 over a C7?
Sure, but I wouldn't want to write the check....wink.gif

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Vette and daily.

Bold statement, oink. wink.gif

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Bold statement, oink. wink.gif
The big American V8 is familiar territory and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling all over.wink.gif

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RB is a little unhappy:


Red Bull Racing could yet bill Renault for lost revenue such is the F1 team's unhappiness over the French manufacturer's issues.

Red Bull's latest title defense has been blighted by problems with their new Renault 1.6-litre turbocharged V6 engines.

Sebastian Vettel seems to have suffered the bulk of the issues with the German's most recent trials coming in Monaco where he was forced into retirement due to a turbo failure.

At the time a frustrated Christian Horner said "It is a Renault issue so I think you need to speak to Renault about that reason."

However, it won't just be journalists speaking with the French manufacturer as Helmut Marko says their accounts department will also be having a little chat at the end of this season.

The Red Bull advisor has revealed that Red Bull could bill Renault for lost revenue as the engine supplier is costing them valuable points and positions in the Constructors' Championship.

"It would be irresponsible to talk about the exact figure at the moment," he told Germany's Bild.

"But the list of losses due to problems with the Renault engine is long enough.

"The season is not yet finished but at the end of the Championship our finance department will assess the damage.

"That's when we can talk about the magnitude of losses due to Renault problems."

Meanwhile, Vettel says he is worried about running out of engines before the season is over.

This year drivers are limited to just five power units before they start to incur penalties. Vettel has already had three turbo issues.

"You can easily calculate that will not be enough," the four-times Champion told Auto Motor und Sport.

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Update on MS (sort of):


Sabine Kehm has refuted claims that Michael Schumacher has "moments of consciousness", insisting nothing about his conditions is being made public.

An article recently appeared in Mundo Deportivo stating that Kehm had revealed that the seven-time World Champion had "moments of consciousness" and was showing an "ability to interact with the surrounding environment."

Kehm, however, has denied the report, adamant she never spoke with the journalist.

"I've never talked to them, we do not have a direct link," she told Gazzetta dello Sport.

Kehm added: "We no longer issue official statements on Michael's health."

Schumacher remains in a Grenoble hospital where he has spent the last five months since suffering brain trauma in a skiing accident days after Christmas.

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This is most terrible to hear.

I fear it has been long enough...

I think we have lost Michael Schumacher for good and that makes me sad. frown.gif

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People struck after Rosberg ‘slams on brakes’

An eyewitness has pointed the finger of blame at Nico Rosberg in the wake of an accident last week during a promotional event that resulted in injured bystanders.

During a promotional event for Germany’s world cup football team, Rosberg and DTM driver Pascal Wehrlein were driving road cars in Tyrol, Italy, when two bystanders were struck and injured.

A statement issued by Mercedes said that Wehrlein struck “two people whom he unexpectedly encountered walking on the closed course”.

But an eyewitness has given a different account of the crash to TZ, “I saw exactly what happened. The two cars were about three or four feet apart at about 80km/h.”

“All of a sudden Nico Rosberg just slammed on the brakes. Pascal Wehrlein was surprised. He [Rosberg] obviously did not know which way the course went. Wehrlein swerved to the left, off the course, and then he hit them.”
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All-new fuel flow sensor to debut in 2014

F1 looks set to abolish the troublesome Gill fuel flow sensor.

Earlier this season, the sensor was at the centre of Daniel Ricciardo's disputed Melbourne disqualification, with Red Bull arguing it was unreliable and inaccurate.

Now, the specialist magazine Racecar Engineering reports in its latest issue that an alternative sensor "is in the final stages of development", and could even make its debut later in 2014.

The new sensor is reportedly being developed by a company called Sentronics, with the involvement of Hyspeed, who initially worked with Gill on the current F1 sensor.

The Gill-Hyspeed collaboration, however, ended last year, leaving Hyspeed to start work on the new solution.

"We remain convinced that the ultrasonic time-of-flight principle is the best way of measuring fuel flow on board a race car," said managing director Neville Meech, who formerly worked for Gill.

He said the Sentronics sensor, called the 'Flowsonic', is a "compact and robust unit with the minimum of materials and parts, and hence less to go wrong".

It also weighs just 250 grams, half the maximum permitted by the FIA, Racecar Engineering added.
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Vettel expects engine penalties later in 2014

Sebastian Vettel has admitted his 2014 troubles are far from over.

The world champion said that even if his run of poor reliability ends soon, Renault's early-season crisis will come home to roost later in 2014.

That is because of the tighter-than-ever longlife engine rules, where drivers may only use five individual V6 engines, turbos, electric motors, batteries and control units in a single season without penalty.

The German and his Red Bull will begin tumbling down the grid once that allocation is exhausted.

Based on his list of component changes so far, Vettel told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport: "It is easy to calculate that I will not have enough" for the entire 19-race calendar.
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This is most terrible to hear.

I fear it has been long enough...

I think we have lost Michael Schumacher for good and that makes me sad. frown.gif
I am losing hope too.frown.gif

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Vettel expects engine penalties later in 2014

Sebastian Vettel has admitted his 2014 troubles are far from over.

The world champion said that even if his run of poor reliability ends soon, Renault's early-season crisis will come home to roost later in 2014.

That is because of the tighter-than-ever longlife engine rules, where drivers may only use five individual V6 engines, turbos, electric motors, batteries and control units in a single season without penalty.

The German and his Red Bull will begin tumbling down the grid once that allocation is exhausted.

Based on his list of component changes so far, Vettel told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport: "It is easy to calculate that I will not have enough" for the entire 19-race calendar.
Wouldn't that be a scandal?
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Renault lead the charge for the 'greener motors' and it's ironic they are having the most problems.
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It certainly is.rolleyes.gif

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I'm anxious to see the 458 T.....
Great read...thanx.

The turbo aside for a moment, seems like this is a significant upgrade.
However, I still don't like the look of the car when in profile with its top down....not extraordinary enough IMO.

To be expected, it does appear "the scream" is gone.
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Another F1 Team is born:


The FIA is understood to have finally granted an entry to the Romanian-backed FRR F1 Team project.

The FIA’s last public reference to the bid came on April 11, when the World Motor Sport Council granted an entry to Gene Haas but said it was “in the process of conducting further investigations for Forza Rossa,” using the name that forms part of the official FRR identity.

For reasons unknown this extra vetting process dragged on for more than six weeks. However, the governing body appears to have finally acknowledged last week that the project is financially viable.

While Haas has acknowledged that a 2015 start is highly unlikely FRR is believed to be still aiming for next year, despite the entry delay making life a lot tougher than it would be had it been granted alongside that of Haas on April 11.

However, FRR has a lot more elements in place compared to Haas. It is planning to use a Renault power unit, while the car will be built and run by a team put together by former Force India and HRT boss Colin Kolles at his base near Munich.

Frontman for the project is Ion Bazac, a qualified doctor and former Romanian health minister. The 45-year-old has a number of business interests and is the country’s Ferrari importer, under the name Forza Rossa.

Bazac is also the president a consortium of private and state-funded investors whose motive is to promote the interests of Romania, and who have the support of the government. Indeed, the Romanian sports minister met with the FIA early in the bid process.
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Blancpain GT racing is on all afternoon Sunday on CBSSN.

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Last weeks race?
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