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I agree that the Hungarian GP was a great race indeed. That was the most fun I had watching an F1 race this season.
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I agree that the Hungarian GP was a great race indeed. That was the most fun I had watching an F1 race this season.
Agreed,sort of a slow burner at the start,but damn,what a finish!!
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Great race, and at the end you could see Hamilton is not happy with his team at the moment. Lots of strange reliability problems, and then they asked him to move over for Rosberg at one point! No way that was going to happen.
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If you have not yet watched Hungary, avert your eyes….

Amazing race. I was literally at the edge of my seat for the last 10 laps or so. Amazing how a race in changeable conditions throws a few jokers into the deck, delivering some unlikely results. With that said….

Massive props to Ricciardo for a brilliant drive, and RB for a brilliant strategy. I am guessing Finger Boy right now is heading for some psychological counseling during the break. Nice Danny Sullivan move on the main straight though.

And massive props to Hamilton for reaching the podium from the pit lane. I am no fan, but I still maintain that he is the better of the two Merc boys, if he can both get a reliable car and most importantly keep his head screwed on straight.

And one more set of massive props to Fred to hang on for P2 on totally spent tires in a decidedly second or third tier car. Even Kimi managed to not throwaway an opportunity for some good points.

On the negative side of the ledger, Rosberg has demonstrated that Lewis is not the only Diva on the grid with an outsized sense of entitlement. Good for Lewis to flip the bird at team orders. Rosberg was not at all quicker at that point in the race. To feel aggrieved that your team mate who is battling with you tooth and nail for the WC should move over says a lot about Nico's mindset. I think both these guys can use a couple weeks off, get laid a bit, and relax.

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"I would not have even answered." Lauda is brilliant indeed. To let Rosberg pass was absurd!
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How about Fernando Alonso? I am a huge Rafael Nadal fan but the way Fernando Alonso drives compels me to vote for Alonso despite Rafa's accomplishments.
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How about Fernando Alonso? I am a huge Rafael Nadal fan but the way Fernando Alonso drives compels me to vote for Alonso despite Rafa's accomplishments.
Was there a poll for Best Spanish Sportsman that we missed? :-)
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Excellent analysis of the current situation at Merc, and from the BBC no less.

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I am not a big Hamilton fan either. His radio communications often tend toward the hysterical but he was absolutely right to blow off his team's order that he should let Nico pass him. When that order was first transmitted, Nico wasn't close enough to pass Hamilton unless Hamilton had slowed down for him. Anyway, no race car driver with an ounce of pride would ever voluntarily give up a spot on the podium to a teammate who wasn't faster anyway, much less one who has been a world champion. In this instance at least, Lewis was absolutely right.

As much fun as the race was, the decision of the producer who was deciding which one of video feeds to show to concentrate on the fight for fourth place while ignoring what was the much more interesting fight at the front shocked me. It was so wrongheaded even the NBCSN guys commented on it.
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I am not a big Hamilton fan either. His radio communications often tend toward the hysterical but he was absolutely right to blow off his team's order that he should let Nico pass him. When that order was first transmitted, Nico wasn't close enough to pass Hamilton unless Hamilton had slowed down for him. Anyway, no race car driver with an ounce of pride would ever voluntarily give up a spot on the podium to a teammate who wasn't faster anyway, much less one who has been a world champion. In this instance at least, Lewis was absolutely right.

As much fun as the race was, the decision of the producer who was deciding which one of video feeds to show to concentrate on the fight for fourth place while ignoring what was the much more interesting fight at the front shocked me. It was so wrongheaded even the NBCSN guys commented on it.
Agree on the crap coverage during the last 10 laps. Completely out of NBC's hands, but I can't believe that fans around the world were not screaming that as good a fight at it was, no one gives a craps about 5th place when the podium positions were being settled.
To their credit, they did not really miss anything but it was frustrating.

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Was there a poll for Best Spanish Sportsman that we missed? :-)
Andy Roddick retired and Isner like Roddick can NOT hang with the Europeans or the Spaniards for that matter. Cheever was the last American F1 driver to make a little noise but nothing to write about. WHY don't you tell me?

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Wow, I feel like I am in opposite world here. I thought the last race was much better than this one. I was skipping forward multiple times until the last ten laps. And the feed sucked! I know you guys hate Nascar for some reason, but F1 really needs to hire ESPN to run the show. Absolutely pitiful.

I thought Rosberg was holding everyone up in the middle of the race. Matter of fact I didn't think he got racy till he put on the last set of tires and that was only because he was much faster than everyone else.

I think Lewis did a great job all things considered. It did look like he settled there at the end until Nico pressed him.

From Button and Mag, "Hey thanks for the stupid decision to go with wets." I don't know what would have happened, but Jenson was in second at the time.

From the Force India pit "Hey maybe we should hire Crashdor to bring our cars home in one piece."

Speaking of Crashdor, he did not miss a chance to run into someone again. I forgot who it was, but I am sure he was happy to be bumper car in a corner.

What happened to Bottas? One minute he looked good and then the safe car came out and he lost all composure.

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"All things considered" Fernando Alonso's driving was superb. I wonder if it's too little too late for the Scuderia to get their act together and prepare a decent car for Alonso. Alonso's teammate Kimi Raikkonen finished sixth, wow...
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With the tires he had left at the end of that race? Yeah, Alonso's driving was superb. No one can do what he does with a below-standards car, it was amazing that he finished second.
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With the tires he had left at the end of that race? Yeah, Alonso's driving was superb. No one can do what he does with a below-standards car, it was amazing that he finished second.
Yes, he is great for sure. Being a Ferrari rooter, I am so happy he is driving for Ferrari.

I was worried that they might penalize him for cutting that corner not too long from the end, but luckily I guess they didnt. Lewis commented on his radio that he though Fernando gained an advantage and the engineer who answered him said they noticed that. I didnt think he really gained anything, but had they given out even a teeny time penalty it could have dropped Fernando back to 4th as Lewis and Nico were right on his butt.

What an enjoyable race to watch though, really loved this one.

And has there ever been a driver with a smile as great as Ricciardo?

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What a fun race. It needs to rain more. Hamilton was very impressive going from pit lane to a spin to the podium. The outside pass he put on JEV was sublime. Still wish he'd get his act together on the podium. Kept picking up his stuff and acting like "Is the interview over? Can I go now?" If he keeps acting like this it'll be hard to be too happy for him when he wins the title.

I agree about the world feed coverage. I was pulling my hair out. Then once Nico got them both passed they stuck around for another ninety seconds showing the replays!

Danny Ricciardo is on fire. This second win should give him true confidence. Watch out for this guy.

We've got a month break before the next one. Now that Ferrari has finally got a wind tunnel, maybe we can do a little fundraiser and get Mclaren a new radar.
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Your predictions aren't even close. There is no way Alonso goes back to McLaren. Not only did he hate it there, Fern was instrumental in the Stepnaygate.

Ron Dennis has said repeatedly that he would like to have Alonso back, so it is a possibility. However, it would not be a smart choice. As bad as Ferrari has been for years now, especially this year, they have been better than McLaren. The fact that McLaren has the best power unit on the grid and still sucks horribly is completely unacceptable. No matter how great the Honda power unit is, it will not make up for their chassis deficiencies. So, for that reason, it is highly unlikely that Alonso would go back, but the door is wide open for him to do so.
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Ron Dennis has said repeatedly that he would like to have Alonso back, so it is a possibility. However, it would not be a smart choice. As bad as Ferrari has been for years now, especially this year, they have been better than McLaren. The fact that McLaren has the best power unit on the grid and still sucks horribly is completely unacceptable. No matter how great the Honda power unit is, it will not make up for their chassis deficiencies. So, for that reason, it is highly unlikely that Alonso would go back, but the door is wide open for him to do so.

I think he should stay. Could you imagine that if next year was the year Ferrari turned it around and he wasn't there? He'd be beside himself.

They seem to be improving already. The cars don't appear to want to swap ends as much as they were. It's a start.
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BTW the countryside around the Hungaroring and Budapest is breathtaking. I would love to see it in person.
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I think he should stay. Could you imagine that if next year was the year Ferrari turned it around and he wasn't there? He'd be beside himself.

They seem to be improving already. The cars don't appear to want to swap ends as much as they were. It's a start.
That's really the problem with the new formula, isn't it?

I can't believe that anyone really expected Merc to dominate the way the did this year, and I see next year as just as much of a crap shoot. It must be really hard for a driver with legitimate WDC aspirations to know where to go next year, should moving be an option. I really wish they would allow open development throughout the year and a proper testing schedule. It's fun to watch the Merc boys fight, and I enjoy seeing drivers like Ricciardo get to the top step when reliability or changeable conditions throw a spanner into the works, but who wouldn't like to see Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, and Lotus also as legit contenders for a win?

Wait….it's already sorted. Next year the teams that do well will earn some success ballast. Problem solved. :-)
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I think he should stay. Could you imagine that if next year was the year Ferrari turned it around and he wasn't there? He'd be beside himself.

They seem to be improving already. The cars don't appear to want to swap ends as much as they were. It's a start.

I sure hope he stays. We need all of the help we can get! Besides, Merc and RB are the only viable options for a team with a "better" car, but I don't really see either one happening. I hope that Renault and Ferrari can both make up the power deficit to Merc next season and level the playing field somewhat.

It's insane the power advantage that Merc has. Kimi was behind Rosberg on the straight with the DRS open and Rosberg (no DRS) was still a couple of kmh faster!
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On the other hand, what a killer view of Eau Rouge.
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Buxton's blog on the state of F1 and what needs fixing vs. what doesn't.

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One thing I found interesting was that during the run up to the NASCAR Brickyard event, the commentators were discussing issues with costs and revenue sharing that were of great concerns to the teams. NASCAR is never afraid to tweak "The Show", but that has not kept the stands full. Maybe there is nothing wrong with the show, as Buxton opines in his blog.

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On the other hand, what a killer view of Eau Rouge.

I'd like to visit there too. A friend of mine went to the Motocross des nations in Lommel a year or two ago. Said it was beautiful.
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I'd like to visit there too. A friend of mine went to the Motocross des nations in Lommel a year or two ago. Said it was beautiful.
I don't have a bucket list, but if I did, Spa would be on it. On one of the Porsche forums where I sometimes hang out, the guys from the Great Britain Porsche Club mentioned that they have done track days at Spa. Now that I have done Laguna Seca and the Corkscrew, I have something to hit back with, but as cool as LS is, I am not sure it is the equal of Spa.
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Yea when it comes to tracks, Spa is pretty much "it". Suzuka might be second.
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Yea when it comes to tracks, Spa is pretty much "it". Suzuka might be second.
Suzuka is an awesome track. 130 R is comparable to Eau Rouge.

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Suzuka is an awesome track. 130 R is comparable to Eau Rouge.

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I still remember Alonso's 200 MPH outside pass on Schumi around the 130R (2006 I think). He had double attachments that day.

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I still remember Alonso's 200 MPH outside pass on Schumi around the 130R (2006 I think). He had double attachments that day.
Probably did it with eyes closed,praying he made it! 😱

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Agree on the crap coverage during the last 10 laps. Completely out of NBC's hands, but I can't believe that fans around the world were not screaming that as good a fight at it was, no one gives a craps about 5th place when the podium positions were being settled.
To their credit, they did not really miss anything but it was frustrating.

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I can no longer tolerate NBCSN's coverage of F1 events. If I see another commercial for Restaurant Startup I will explode !
I DL the SKY TV (UK) coverage ...commercial free and intelligent commentators. I believe this is a PPV event in the UK hence no cemmercials.

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