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Apparently, "Let's go racin', boys" has limits. Unfortunate that it takes a tradgedy for common sense to take hold.

I read a piece somewhere recently that said Indycar has had that rule on the books for some time.
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Whilst we are waiting for Spa to get underway I think it is time for a bit of good old fashioned Bernie bashing.
We all know that F1 attendances and tv viewing audience figures have been down recently and there have been two good articles on why this has been the case.

"Final thought: there is an on-going debate about the sport’s dwindling audiences and so on. My contribution is that Bernie’s biggest mistake has been his determination to sell Formula One and new tracks to territories where there is no history or interest in the sport whatsoever while at the same time ignoring some of its traditional strongholds.
These mainly Far Eastern deals are short term and have shown repeatedly that they do nothing to grow the sport. I am thinking of China (empty stadium), Turkey (empty stadium, now white elephant), South Korea (cancelled), India (future uncertain), Bahrain (always a struggle and politically very tricky), Abu Dhabi (a long-term “maybe”).
At the same time as these duds were wasting the sport’s energy, there was no race in the United States for much of the time, or France, a race was dropped in Germany and Italy and even the British Grand Prix was under threat at one point. Isn’t it time for Formula One to play to its strengths, to build on its history, not ignore it?"

from http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/0...ook-ed-gorman/

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"9.The Return of the Austrian GP
Say what you like about the Red Bull organization, they know how to organise an event. The Austrian GP weekend was where F1 was reunited with an old friend. Unlike most new-country GPs, it wasn't a question of spot-the-spectator on Friday and Saturday, it was a sell-out race. It may not have delivered the kind of racing result that the two Dieter Mateschitz teams were hoping for, but it restored the buzz back to F1."

from http://www.planet-f1.com/editorial/9...oments-In-2014

How many F1 fans exist in Azerbaijan?

Bernie is the person responsible for F1's decline by giving places with no real interest in the sport a Grand Prix in exchange for cash to stuff into his already overfull pockets, even allowing for his latest soap opera farce with the German courts.
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I'll second that.

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The biggest thing I get out of that post is that F1 isn't the world sport that it is made out to be.

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Yankees lost the game i went to!! Oh the horror!!!!
We didn't go to a ballgame while we were there but my son sent me a pic he took from his employer's box behind the Yankee dugout a couple of weeks ago. He had taken vendor's the company buys from to a game.

In my last post, I failed to mention our favorite place to eat in NYC, my daughter and her husband live in Tulsa and we all went on the trip. Despite a number of fancy meals, including one at Wolfgang's, our favorite food came from a sidewalk outfit called The Halal Guys, located at 53rd and 6th Ave. It was close to our hotel and we got their chicken and lamb with white sauce over rice several times. Yummy!

I agree that Bernie's policy of bringing F1 to new and palatial venues in the middle and far east has been shortsighted in the extreme. There just aren't enough fans in that part of the world to sustain such a gamble. F1 is a Euro-centric sport and Bernie better figure out which side of his bread the butter is on. His bet on the US by sanctioning the Austin GP was a good one. But given the huge shadow cast by NASCAR, I suspect we won't see any new races sanctioned in the US in the US in the near future.
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I believe that because the US is so large, and I suspect that the US fan base may be larger than Bernie thinks, that we could easily support a second race. Keep in mind that the Canadian race draws a big crowd from all over the US so would not, say, a New York/New Jersey or California race be a large draw?
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I believe that because the US is so large, and I suspect that the US fan base may be larger than Bernie thinks, that we could easily support a second race. Keep in mind that the Canadian race draws a big crowd from all over the US so would not, say, a New York/New Jersey or California race be a large draw?

You would think so. Hence the reasoning behind the Grand Prix that was supposed to happen in Jersey. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the US that would rather go there than cross the border to Canada for a race. But alas, it doesn't seem like it will happen.
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I believe that because the US is so large, and I suspect that the US fan base may be larger than Bernie thinks, that we could easily support a second race. Keep in mind that the Canadian race draws a big crowd from all over the US so would not, say, a New York/New Jersey or California race be a large draw?
S**t, you can count me in for attending a Formula 1 race if it was here in California.

Mmmm, Laguna Seca!


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I love Laguna Seca but just to burst that bubble. F-1 will never run at Mazda Laguna Seca! The neighbors complain too much now. It's hard to even run a track day there as they have that killjoy 95db limit on the track! Long Beach was mentioned as to possibly returning as an F-1 race? It's always the money aspect and Bernie that kills the possibility of having the races as they once were with steady attendance. Nothing positive happens when you pull a race from a track after it gets established.


I have wanted to attend the Canada race for years! Time to start planning as I need to see an F-1 race outside the USA.
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I believe that because the US is so large, and I suspect that the US fan base may be larger than Bernie thinks, that we could easily support a second race. Keep in mind that the Canadian race draws a big crowd from all over the US so would not, say, a New York/New Jersey or California race be a large draw?
I hope you're right, God knows! A second GP on US soil would be a wonderful thing. Who Knows? Maybe it will really happen.
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I love Laguna Seca but just to burst that bubble. F-1 will never run at Mazda Laguna Seca! The neighbors complain too much now. It's hard to even run a track day there as they have that killjoy 95db limit on the track! Long Beach was mentioned as to possibly returning as an F-1 race? It's always the money aspect and Bernie that kills the possibility of having the races as they once were with steady attendance. Nothing positive happens when you pull a race from a track after it gets established.


I have wanted to attend the Canada race for years! Time to start planning as I need to see an F-1 race outside the USA.
Canada has been a definite must for me. My wife and I have been attending for several years. Don't miss it if you have the opportunity. Hotels are booked almost a year in advance due to the large attendance.
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I love Laguna Seca but just to burst that bubble. F-1 will never run at Mazda Laguna Seca! The neighbors complain too much now. It's hard to even run a track day there as they have that killjoy 95db limit on the track! Long Beach was mentioned as to possibly returning as an F-1 race? It's always the money aspect and Bernie that kills the possibility of having the races as they once were with steady attendance. Nothing positive happens when you pull a race from a track after it gets established.


I have wanted to attend the Canada race for years! Time to start planning as I need to see an F-1 race outside the USA.
Yeah. Wow, that sucks.

When I was at Seca last summer for a Jaguar Experience I was taken around the track in the new F-type and each time we got to the ascent up the hill to the back of the track my driver had to let off the throttle for "SPL limits". I remember being like, "Wtf? but this is still awesome!". General traffic on the the road will be that loud and continuous. A race happens only so often and for a short couple hours. Ugh. Pretty lame. Why even have a race track? Any a-hole with a modded exhaust can make much more noise and do it at odd hours.

Anyway... F1 on Seca would be friggin awesome.


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That's like people that buy houses near an airport then bitch about the noise. You knew the track was there when you bought. I think Wayne Rainey has a house overlooking the track,don't think he complained about some "noise"

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I love Laguna Seca but just to burst that bubble. F-1 will never run at Mazda Laguna Seca! The neighbors complain too much now. It's hard to even run a track day there as they have that killjoy 95db limit on the track!

You're in luck. With these crap power units, the cars never exceed 90 db!
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What's all this dick talk. Leave you guys alone for a day and look what happens. :-)

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You're in luck. With these crap power units, the cars never exceed 90 db!
Nah, it'll never be held at Laguna Seca because its too far from any big cities, and that means less $$$ for Bernie.

And I know you were kidding, but I just had to google it to find out just how loud the cars are. Huffington post of all places came up first, noise is down from 145 to 134 db this year. I think the lower pitch is the bigger problem.

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Again. Why even have a race track?

Guess it will be safe when Formula E comes around.


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Yeah. Wow, that sucks.

When I was at Seca last summer for a Jaguar Experience I was taken around the track in the new F-type and each time we got to the ascent up the hill to the back of the track my driver had to let off the throttle for "SPL limits". I remember being like, "Wtf? but this is still awesome!". General traffic on the the road will be that loud and continuous. A race happens only so often and for a short couple hours. Ugh. Pretty lame. Why even have a race track? Any a-hole with a modded exhaust can make much more noise and do it at odd hours.

Anyway... F1 on Seca would be friggin awesome.
When I did my PCA DE in June, I was warned that even cars with stock exhaust can sometimes blow >95 on the run up to Turn 6. I short shifted my stock Cayman S going up the hill my first session, then just said screw it; it's 3 strikes your out. If I am going to go down, I am taking my three swings. Fortunately, I never tripped the sound meter.

I was told that there are a handful of days a year where there are no sound restrictions, but other than that, the sound police are camped out in their cottage. Sad state of affairs as LS is one of the worlds great tracks.
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Nah, it'll never be held at Laguna Seca because its too far from any big cities, and that means less $$$ for Bernie.

And I know you were kidding, but I just had to google it to find out just how loud the cars are. Huffington post of all places came up first, noise is down from 145 to 134 db this year. I think the lower pitch is the bigger problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trevor...b_5297898.html

Wow, I would have never guessed the 134 db. Obviously, I was being facetious with 90, but I didn't think they were even close to 134. Yes, the tone definitely makes a difference. Thanks for the info.
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http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsport...5-announcement

Where have you been BG? I posted that last Tuesday! The picture in your article is cooler than mine though.

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Where have you been BG? I posted that last Tuesday! The picture in your article is cooler than mine though.

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The announcement today is for a full F1 seat with Torro Rossa. The previous announcement was that he was joining the RB junior team which I think is something different than TR; F3 maybe?

The F1 pundits I follow on Twitter were all agog at the news leading me to think it was like Ron Burgundy; kind of a big deal.

Imagine a full F1 ride at 17. The joke is that if he were to earn a podium, he would not be legally allowed to drink the champagne in many places.

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