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I don't have a bit of trouble with the opinion of the team bosses that the three best drivers this season were Hamilton, Alonso, and Ricciardo. I have a big problem, though,with both Bottas and Bianchi being ranked higher than Rosberg. That simply makes no sense, it seems to me. Although Rosberg was blessed with a dominant car, he made Hamilton sweat bullets for his championship. I just don't get it.

I think you misread that. Bianchi was ranked 8th. Rosberg was ranked 5th.

I do agree with your assessment of Bottas. While he did very well this season, he should not be 4th ahead of Rosberg. I think 1-3 were spot on.


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Lewis Hamilton has been voted the best driver in the annual Autosport Formula 1 team principals' poll, but Nico Rosberg didn't fare well.

In a secret ballot, 10 team bosses polled their drivers of the season under the 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 scoring system and it is no surprise that Hamilton came out tops having won this year's Drivers' Championship.

The 29-year-old claimed 194 points with Fernando Alonso slotting in behind him despite not winning a race in his final season for Ferrari while Daniel Ricciardo, who tasted success three times in his debut campaign with Red Bull, completed the top three.

Williams' impressive youngster Valtteri Bottas was fourth on the back of six podiums while Hamilton's team-mate Rosberg was surprisingly only fifth despite winning five races and finishing second in the Drivers' standings.

According to Autosport, Caterham were not included in the poll "due to multiple changes of management".

AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10 2014

Autosport Team Principals' Top 10 2014
1 Lewis Hamilton (194 points)
2 Fernando Alonso (155 points)
3 Daniel Ricciardo (135 points)
4 Valtteri Bottas (119 points)
5 Nico Rosberg (115 points)
6 Felipe Massa (55 points)
7 Sebastian Vettel (53 points)
8 Jules Bianchi (44 points)
9 Jenson Button (40 points)
10 Daniil Kvyat (28 points)

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Looks like the bloodletting at Ferrari may be over.

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Looks like the bloodletting at Ferrari may be over.

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Hasn't Mercedes already stated that they would leave F1 if F1 reverts to normally aspirated V8s/V10s?
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Hasn't Mercedes already stated that they would leave F1 if F1 reverts to normally aspirated V8s/V10s?
Do you have the article or the source of that statement?
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Do you have the article or the source of that statement?
From Autoweek, November 10, 2014:
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-...-v8s-come-back
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The same threat that Honda used in MotoGP. If they leave then bye,bye. After making the same idiotic statement Honda is still in MotoGP and now back in F-1. Mercedes are essentially wasting millions by throwing their toys out of the pram. This is why F-1 is so screwed up now. It has never has been fair for the smaller teams.
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Hasn't Mercedes already stated that they would leave F1 if F1 reverts to normally aspirated V8s/V10s?
They spent a ton of money developing their engine, I'd be pissed too if I had to throw that all away. The constant rules changes are why the lower-budget teams can't catch up. Over time the performance delta per megadollar shrinks, but annual large rules changes mean those teams are never given that time. Keep the technical regulations the same for 10 years and you'll see much more parity.
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Once upon a time, didn't the Formula last for three years before it could be changed? What prompted that to be changed?
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Once upon a time, didn't the Formula last for three years before it could be changed? What prompted that to be changed?
There is absolutely no way in hell the engine is changing before 2017. It looks the shortest lived engine formula was the 3.5L era, from 1987 to 1994. However, in 1987 and 1988, 1.5L turbos were still allowed with limited boost. So, the 6 seasons from 1989 to 1994 were in a way, the shortest engine regulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines

Edit: also the 1.5L era of 1961 to 1965 if you wanna go waaaaaay back.
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What might have been. McLaren sent these pics out today.

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Fittipaldi and Senna in an IndyCar. Great stuff.
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Fittipaldi and Senna in an IndyCar. Great stuff.
The caption said it was in '92.
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The caption said it was in '92.
I went to the 500 that year. My favorite driver at the time was Al Unser, Jr. and he won the race in what was the closest finish in history at the time. Also had the most wrecks at that time.
Would have been awesome to see Senna there.
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I went to the 500 that year. My favorite driver at the time was Al Unser, Jr. and he won the race in what was the closest finish in history at the time. Also had the most wrecks at that time.
Would have been awesome to see Senna there.
Surely one of it not the most exciting race finish I have ever seen.

I moved to Albuquerque in '93, and the city was buzzing over that victory, since the Unsers and the team (Galles) were based here. I actually got to visit his home on a couple occasions for work related matters. Neither time was he there :-) but he had some really neat things on his property. The drive up to his business office had a curving driveway. The wall along the driveway to the right was taken from Indy. The story was that the Speedway rebuilt the outside walls, and he had the section that he had crashed into after touching wheels with Emmo rebuilt at his home; the wall, the fence, the caution lights…all of it. As you can imagine there was all kinds of amazing memorabilia befitting an Indy 500 champ. I don't think he lives in ABQ any more, but Bobby and Al Sr. do.

I got to visit the Galles shop after he had moved on to Penske (my neighbor worked for the team). This was when Eddie Lawson drove for the team. I think I am repeating myself, but lets just say that even in my early 30's, I probably had twice waist size as Lawson, a fact which hit home when they asked if I would like to try to sit in the car. No doubt it was a set-up, and hilarity ensued. :-)
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Surely one of it not the most exciting race finish I have ever seen.

I got to visit the Galles shop after he had moved on to Penske (my neighbor worked for the team). This was when Eddie Lawson drove for the team. I think I am repeating myself, but lets just say that even in my early 30's, I probably had twice waist size as Lawson, a fact which hit home when they asked if I would like to try to sit in the car. No doubt it was a set-up, and hilarity ensued. :-)
I can only imagine as I have a couple of contacts in MotoGP and size matters. I had a similar situation at an opening party at a Porsche independent shop years ago. While consuming beers and a dare I was able to wiggle into the Le Mans Porsche 917 series. It was easier exiting than entering the car. If you are claustrophobic do not attempt this stunt.
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I always liked the Unsers. Those boys could get up Pikes Peak pretty quick too. Frankenstein Indy cars on dirt was quite a sight.
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There is absolutely no way in hell the engine is changing before 2017. It looks the shortest lived engine formula was the 3.5L era, from 1987 to 1994. However, in 1987 and 1988, 1.5L turbos were still allowed with limited boost. So, the 6 seasons from 1989 to 1994 were in a way, the shortest engine regulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines

Edit: also the 1.5L era of 1961 to 1965 if you wanna go waaaaaay back.
I never considered the change from 3.5 to 3 liters that big of a deal. I am sure it was to the engineers, but it wasn't like the change this year. IIRC everyone was still using V10s.

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Me too. That last one was a natural beauty.


Although "The car, said to be developed and built by longtime partner Multimatic, is understood to utilize an EcoBoost V6 engine. It would mark a departure from Ford’s signature normally aspirated V8 engines used in previous generations of the mid-engined sports car."

Yawn. Whatever.

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Me too. That last one was a natural beauty.


Although "The car, said to be developed and built by longtime partner Multimatic, is understood to utilize an EcoBoost V6 engine. It would mark a departure from Ford’s signature normally aspirated V8 engines used in previous generations of the mid-engined sports car."

Yawn. Whatever.

Yawn,exactly,EcoBoost my arse,just throw a 900hp V8 in the damn thing and let the racing begin.
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Yawn,exactly,EcoBoost my arse,just throw a 900hp V8 in the damn thing and let the racing begin.

Seriously. And I'm getting sick of these marketing names too. "EcoBoost", "Oh look, we are being environmentally friendly and having lots of power at the same time!" The marketing arm must think we are all a bunch of five year olds. There's nothing remotely enviro friendly about an Ecoboost V6. On the other hand, the evil, fire breathing, 650 HP, ancient tech, push rod, TWO VALVE! V8 in the Z06 gets an honest 30 MPG on the highway and uses about half the manufactured parts as the Eco. Give me a break already.
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Seriously. And I'm getting sick of these marketing names too. "EcoBoost", "Oh look, we are being environmentally friendly and having lots of power at the same time!" The marketing arm must think we are all a bunch of five year olds. There's nothing remotely enviro friendly about an Ecoboost V6. On the other hand, the evil, fire breathing, 650 HP, ancient tech, push rod, TWO VALVE! V8 in the Z06 gets an honest 30 MPG on the highway and uses about half the manufactured parts as the Eco. Give me a break already.
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Really though,At what point is racing really "Eco Friendly"?When you look at what it takes to do a race,between the transportation of teams and equipment across the globe,will that 2hrs of "Eco Friendly" racing really matter?
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While I'm on a rant . Let's just say you're a guy, an everyday Joe like myself, , who's got a little plumbing or electrical business, and needs five or ten trucks. Yeah these ECO's run great, but when they break, who the hell wants to pay Lambo service bills? You'd be better off getting a few less MPG and having your rigs last longer and not breaking the bank when they go south. Problem is, that's not even going to be an option. You go in to buy a Timex but they only carry Rolex.
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Really though,At what point is racing really "Eco Friendly"?When you look at what it takes to do a race,between the transportation of teams and equipment across the globe,will that 2hrs of "Eco Friendly" racing really matter?

Of course not. It's a giant fraud.
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I went to the 500 that year. My favorite driver at the time was Al Unser, Jr. and he won the race in what was the closest finish in history at the time. Also had the most wrecks at that time.
Would have been awesome to see Senna there.
And my fav driver was Emmo, and i felt that Little Al drove dirty and crashed Emmo, i was pissed. I was so happy when they came together (was that the very next year, not sure) and Little Al got spun out and Emmo went on to win, but i will give Jr credit as he gave Emmo the thumbs up sign the next time Emmo came around. Jr went up a lot in my eyes with that one.

By the way, Emmo was my fav driver as i lived in the Miami area and he drove the Spirit of Miami in the Miami Grand Prix, plus at functions for the races i met him a few times and he was a good guy to talk to. When he won the championship, i wound up sitting at a concert in Miami Arena a few rows behind him and his lovely wife, and i called "Emmo" and they turned around and i gave them the number 1 sign then the thumbs up sign and they gave the thumbs up sign back to me with big smiles, it was a neat moment.

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