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Me too. Its been 5 years since Ferrari won a Constructors Championship and a Drivers Championship.
When was the last time Merecedes did that? Oh...wait. Never.

Wow, you got me.

Unless........you forget about 1935 to 1939 when they pretty much dominated gran prix racing. Of course there is also 1954 and 1955 before they left the sport from the horrible Le Mans accident.

And lets not forget about Mercedes the engine supplier. Mika and McLaren won in 1999 along with Jenson and Brawn in the pre Vettel era.

I am not beholden to just Mercedes the team as I like all of the Merc supplied teams. For some reason, I have always liked McLaren even though Williams was the dominant 90's team. This year I get both.wink.gif

One final thought, why hasn't Ferrari ever supplied a top level team with their engines? The best a Ferrari engined team has done is sixth in the championship. Pathetic if you ask me.

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Wow. You must've really dug deep to find those tidbits. But you got it wrong. It was 1998 when McLaren won the Constructors. In fact thats the last time they won it. And McLaren won it, not Mercedes. Youre right though that 2 Championships have been won with Mercedes engines. That puts them right up there with Repco. Pathetic if you ask me.
So, again, Mercedes has never won a Constructors title.
Btw in 1954 it was a Maserati Merecedes engine. I'll give you 1955 though. But thats when Fangio was winning in everything he sat in.
One final thought. The best a Ferrari engined team has done is 16 World Constructors Championship titles.

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Wow. You must've really dug deep to find those tidbits. But you got it wrong. It was 1998 when McLaren won the Constructors. In fact thats the last time they won it. And McLaren won it, not Mercedes. Youre right though that 2 Championships have been won with Mercedes engines. That puts them right up there with Repco. Pathetic if you ask me.
So, again, Mercedes has never won a Constructors title.

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As a constructor, Mercedes has only competed in 11 (this season is their 12th) championships. In those first seven years, they won the drivers championship six times. If a constructor's championship was given, then they would have won that six times. They only recently returned to the sport as a constructor and haven't done to bad.

I don't know why you are fixating on Merc the constructor, as I have said I am a fan of the constructor and engine manufacturer. If pressed, then I might say I prefer McLaren to Merc. And yes, I did mistakingly put 99 instead of 98.

I find it interesting that you are so dismissive of Merc's accomplishments in the 30s and 50s, when your attraction (and most Ferrari fans here) to Ferrari is based on their history.

Now if you will excuse me, I am going to drive my Merc to the store. Have fun in your Ferrari.tongue.gif

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Where are you getting this stuff? I thought we were talking about Formula One. Are you digging up stuff from the year 1900 on or what? I know Merecedes did well when Hitler was running things but in what 7 years did Mercedes win the drivers title 6 years? If youre going to give us a history lesson then make it a proper one. Should I start counting the stuff that Enzo did with Alfa Romeo or something?

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Where are you getting this stuff? I thought we were talking about Formula One. Are you digging up stuff from the year 1900 on or what? I know Merecedes did well when Hitler was running things but in what 7 years did Mercedes win the drivers title 6 years? If youre going to give us a history lesson then make it a proper one. Should I start counting the stuff that Enzo did with Alfa Romeo or something?
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Actually I think its interesting. But Id like more detail because some of this stuff just doesnt sound right.

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Factory closing,now this.
http://m.autoblog.com/2014/03/25/srt-pulling-vipers-out-le-mans/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000599
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Where are you getting this stuff? I thought we were talking about Formula One. Are you digging up stuff from the year 1900 on or what? I know Merecedes did well when Hitler was running things but in what 7 years did Mercedes win the drivers title 6 years? If youre going to give us a history lesson then make it a proper one. Should I start counting the stuff that Enzo did with Alfa Romeo or something?

LOL! I'm actually curious about those 6 times as well.
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Factory closing,now this.
http://m.autoblog.com/2014/03/25/srt-pulling-vipers-out-le-mans/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000599
If theyre closing the factory they probably dont have the parts to keep them racing.

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From what I read the ZL1 was going to be designated the Z/28.
This would have made a lot more sense IMO.
Everyone remembers the legendary Z28 from years ago.....heck, you can still find them on the streets today.cool.gif

The "ZL1" designation just seemed odd to me when first announced.
Be that as it may, it's one a bada$$ car, of that there is no doubt.

I haven't run into one up here in Oregon yet.
If I do, I'll try to find out which of GM's 6.2 SC Thunder-chickens wear the crown.wink.gif

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Factory closing,now this.
http://m.autoblog.com/2014/03/25/srt-pulling-vipers-out-le-mans/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000599
Ah man, that hurts....indeed it is the end of the VIper.frown.giffrown.gif

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The factory isnt closed permanently. Atleast not yet. And they havent quit racing. They just arent doing LeMans. There is still some hope.
It would seem kinda foolish to lay off workers and close the plant because money is tight and then continue a full racing program.

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The factory is shut down until June when they will start production of next years car
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The factory is shut down until June when they will start production of next years car
Seeing is believing....the very same setup was spewed from Gilles when the Gen 4 was put to bed in 2009.

Hopefully, there will be a major re-tooling of the Viper (if there is a 2015 model).
A lot has to be changed if it is going to pull its own weight with some reasonably healthy sales.
I don't think Fiat has a romantic attachement to the Viper that Chyrsler has.

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Renault is ready to Rock?

Renault Sport insists that it has got to the bottom of the problems suffered in Australia.

Although three of its cars made the points, the other five Renault powered cars failed to see the flag, albeit for a variety of reasons.

“After a difficult race in Australia we are really looking forward to Malaysia,” said head of track operations Remi Taffin. “We had several issues across the cars in Melbourne but we have recreated the problems in the dyno at Viry. Most are fixed and the remaining will be under control by Friday in Sepang. While we anticipate further issues may occur we are much more able to react quickly to minimize their impact.”

Intriguingly, Taffin pointed out that Sepang will be one of the toughest races of the year for the V6 part of the new power unit (PU).

“Sepang is one of the circuits whose technical requirements will change under the new regulations. In the V8 era the circuit sat towards the middle of the table for the challenge it posed for engines, but now it will be one of the toughest races of the year.

“Of the six main components of the PU, the internal combustion engine will be under the most pressure in Malaysia. The humidity in Sepang made it a little bit easier on normally aspirated engines, since power comes down as the water content in the air increases. This means we were generally able to offset the impact of the two long straights.

“This year we won’t have this luxury. With a turbo engine the air intake is controlled at all times regardless of ambient conditions so those long straights will really start to hurt. As a result Sepang will become a lot less forgiving as twice a lap the PUs will be flat out, with the turbo revving at close to 100,000 rpm for over 10 secs.”

He also pinpointed the role of energy recovery in Malaysia: “The straights, which are over one kilometer each, will however provide plenty of opportunity for the MGU-H to be recharged. The tight corners such as the T15 hairpin, the first corner complex and the mid to low speed corners in the third sector will allow the MGU-K to recover energy under braking. With relatively high fuel consumption due to the short bursts of acceleration between turns, getting maximum energy from these opportunities will be incredibly important.”



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The sound of the 2014 F1 power units has been a subject of debate since the Australian GP, and a negative reaction from fans has hardly come as a surprise. Melbourne F1 boss Ron Walker was quick to join the debate, complaining that he didn’t get the show that he’d signed up for.

In fact, as long as seven years ago the FIA was made aware that engine noise could be an issue once the sport switched to turbo power.In June 2007 the FIA produced a document called “Formula One 2011: Power-Train Regulation Framework,” subtitled “A Briefing Note for the Formula One Manufacturers’ Advisory Committee Meeting, June 2007.”

Commissioned by Max Mosley and prepared by FIA advisors Tony Purnell and Peter Wright, it provided the guidelines that ultimately led to new regulations, albeit three years later than was originally anticipated.

Although there would be many other documents, much (but not all) of the above report eventually translated into the 2014 rules pushed through by Mosley’s successor Jean Todt.

Purnell and Wright were well aware that the fans had to be taken into account, writing: “The main constraint will be to avoid damage to the emotional attraction of Formula One for its fan base. In particular the technical awe of Formula One and its sheer speed must be retained.”

Regarding the noise of what was then intended a 2.2-liter V6, they wrote (with my emphasis added): “The noise of high rpm is to be replaced, by what we don’t know, but it will be quieter. The view is that the risk of this new noise being unappealing is a risk worth taking. Quieter cars are 100% in line with environment demands. The unique and sophisticated power-trains are certain to make a dramatic, if very different noise of their own.”

It will be fascinating to see if the FIA formally investigate the possibility of ramping up the sound for 2015, possibly by mandating a new exhaust design
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If I do, I'll try to find out which of GM's 6.2 SC Thunder-chickens wear the crown.wink.gif

LMAO. Haven't heard that in a while. My buddies with TAs would get pissed because I called them fire chickens. tongue.gif
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LMAO. Haven't heard that in a while. My buddies with TAs would get pissed because I called them fire chickens. tongue.gif
You know guys who have Viper TAs?

http://www.drivesrt.com/2014/srt-viper/time-attack/

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I'm sure hes talking about Pontiac Firebird Trans Am.

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Don't think this has been posted yet...Z/28 vs. ZL1 side-by-side at The Ring.



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It will be fascinating to see if the FIA formally investigate the possibility of ramping up the sound for 2015, possibly by mandating a new exhaust design[/I].


Could it help? Sure. Will it make enough of a difference to silence the critics? Absolutely not. As we've discussed before, the turbos just won't allow the car to sound the way that the fans want. The exhaust is confined to such a small area, that they just don't have the freedom to "tune" it to sound right. Besides, the sheer volume (decibels) will never be the same on a muffled exhaust.

Although they won't be able to achieve the sound the fans want, hopefully they can at least make it sound like a race car and not a Buell motorcycle.
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You know guys who have Viper TAs?

http://www.drivesrt.com/2014/srt-viper/time-attack/

I wish! I would be much better friends with them! LOL

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I'm sure hes talking about Pontiac Firebird Trans Am.

Correct. Fire chicken Trans Ams.
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Could it help? Sure. Will it make enough of a difference to silence the critics? Absolutely not. As we've discussed before, the turbos just won't allow the car to sound the way that the fans want. The exhaust is confined to such a small area, that they just don't have the freedom to "tune" it to sound right. Besides, the sheer volume (decibels) will never be the same on a muffled exhaust.
True, but sad...
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I'm sure the audio will be modified between seasons at the very least.
As you pointed out, it still won't be able to achieve the sphincter-tightening scream of the ol' V8.

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I wish! I would be much better friends with them! LOL
If you did, I gotta come over and hang out.biggrin.gif

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Sorry, I had forgot about the Pontiac (I can't remember sh!t anymore rolleyes.gif).

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Don't think this has been posted yet...Z/28 vs. ZL1 side-by-side at The Ring.


Interesting....the Z28 is 3:40 quicker than the ZL1. I would like to see what the ZL1 would do with the tires (slicks) from the Z28. It would have to make a big improvement at The Ring.


Edit. Sorry about the brain lapse! biggrin.gif
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The Zl-1 is a good performer but thez-28 is the track car. But as Oink stayed,not sure of their strategy. Especially at that price point.
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Interesting....the Z28 is 3:40 quicker than the ZL1. As the saying goes.....power is nothing without control. I still find it odd that Chevy would let their flagship Camaro be beaten by a cheaper one when the ZL1 is supposed to be all about performance.
In spite of being less powerful, 300 lbs. lighter and the new trick suspension and tires go a long ways.

FWIW, I noticed the Z/28 is priced at $73,700 and the ZL1 at $55,125.
That is helluva price difference IMO.eek.gif

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I find it cool that GM released that dedicated track toy, but I dunno how many people besides track rats that would buy the car. I mean no A/C would steer a lot of people that have that kind of cash away. But I do like their thinking about it!

Oh when I sold my Z this past weekend I saw a 2014 GTR and a all black ZL1 rolling on the fwy together. I miss my car but maybe in a few years I will get another toy.

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