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The last time the Seahawks played the Broncos in a major playoff game, it was on December 24, 1983, in which Denver won the game in a blowout.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198312240sea.htm

It also marks the first time in 11 seasons that both teams meet each other in a non-exhibition game, according to this link...
http://www.footballdb.com/teamvsteam.html?tm=10&opp=28&ha=A

It's also the first super bowl in which the two teams' home states started the new year with legal use of marijuana, hence the nickname the "Pot Bowl". Fans of both teams will not smoke at the stadium come game time.

The seahawks are the first team since the 1990 bills to not have any players from a previous playoff team.
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I just hope that the league refs get their heads out of their asses and don't screw over the Seabirds like they did when they totally screwed up their calls in Seattle's 1st SuperBowl.
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It's also the first super bowl in which the two teams' home states started the new year with legal use of marijuana, hence the nickname the "Pot Bowl". Fans of both teams will not smoke at the stadium come game time.
Of course not, the SB won't take place in either state, right?

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I just hope that the league refs get their heads out of their asses and don't screw over the Seabirds like they did when they totally screwed up their calls in Seattle's 1st SuperBowl.
With ya there....the refs kept Seattle from winning the game.mad.gif

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The seahawks are the first team since the 1990 bills to not have any players from a previous playoff team.
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This I didn't know.

You didnt know it because it isnt true. wink.gif

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Seen a copy of the "Official" program and it only shows the skyline of NYC, nothing about NJ on the cover.. mad.gif

http://superbowlprogram.us/officialsuperbowlxlviprogram-comingsoon-1-2.aspx

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Seen a copy of the "Official" program and it only shows the skyline of NYC, nothing about NJ on the cover.. mad.gif

http://superbowlprogram.us/officialsuperbowlxlviprogram-comingsoon-1-2.aspx

Yes it does it says new york * new jersey.

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Seen a copy of the "Official" program and it only shows the skyline of NYC, nothing about NJ on the cover.. mad.gif

http://superbowlprogram.us/officialsuperbowlxlviprogram-comingsoon-1-2.aspx

Bottom left corner, it says New York - New Jersey. It's quite clear. After all, it's the home stadium for the New York Giants and Jets, not the New Jersey Giants and Jets....

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You didnt know it because it isnt true. wink.gif
I thought not....I was trying to be polite.wink.gif

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I believe the actual statistic is that the 2013 Seahawks are the first team since the 1990 Bills to not have any players who have played in a previous Super Bowl (whether won or lost).

Each Super Bowl participant since has had at least one member of the 53 man roster who has played in a prior Super Bowl, whether with that team or with another.

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I believe the actual statistic is that the 2013 Seahawks are the first team since the 1990 Bills to not have any players who have played in a previous Super Bowl (whether won or lost).

Each Super Bowl participant since has had at least one member of the 53 man roster who has played in a prior Super Bowl, whether with that team or with another.
OK, now I am confused.eek.gif

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OK, now I am confused.eek.gif

They have players with playoff experience, russell wilson was their qb in a playoff game last year, they just dont have any players with super bowl experience.

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They have players with playoff experience, russell wilson was their qb in a playoff game last year, they just dont have any players with super bowl experience.
Ah, OK, I misunderstood.wink.gif

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maybe there will be a big snow storm on game day / groundhogs day
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Bottom left corner, it says New York - New Jersey. It's quite clear. After all, it's the home stadium for the New York Giants and Jets, not the New Jersey Giants and Jets....

the complaints were about the picture. Empire State building, CitiCorp building, World Trade Center..

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It also marks the first time in 11 seasons that both teams meet each other in a non-exhibition game, according to this link...
http://www.footballdb.com/teamvsteam.html?tm=10&opp=28&ha=A.

Under the current NFL scheduling formula, each team plays each other team in the league at least once every four years. The Broncos and Seahawks last met, in Denver, on September 19, 2010, according to that link, but you must select either "All Games" or "Home Games" to see the game.

Incidentally, since they last played during the regular season in 2010, there will have to be a Denver-Seattle rematch this fall in Seattle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_scheduling#Formula
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Incidentally, since they last played during the regular season in 2010, there will have to be a Denver-Seattle rematch this fall in Seattle.

Yep the opponents next season for all teams is out:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307352/article/opponents-set-for-2014-nfl-season

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The Broncos v. Seahawks has a chance to be a matchup for the ages. It opened as a pick 'em game but the betting public has moved the line to Broncos -2.5. What this tells me is that the betting public doesn't have any better idea about who will win than the rest of us do. I am really looking forward to this one. Fun Fact: Champ Bailey in his long (drafted in 1999) Hall of Fame worthy career has never played in a Super Bowl. Just hope he doesn't get hit by a bus and stays healthy otherwise between now and game time. smile.gif
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The Broncos v. Seahawks has a chance to be a matchup for the ages. It opened as a pick 'em game but the betting public has moved the line to Broncos -2.5. What this tells me is that the betting public doesn't have any better idea about who will win than the rest of us do. I am really looking forward to this one. Fun Fact: Champ Bailey in his long (drafted in 1999) Hall of Fame worthy career has never played in a Super Bowl. Just hope he doesn't get hit by a bus and stays healthy otherwise between now and game time. smile.gif
With the loss of Chris Harris, Champ got healthy just in time. He played well against New England.
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With the loss of Chris Harris, Champ got healthy just in time. He played well against New England.

Yeah, with Harris going down, Champ got a chance to start in a conference championship game and now in a Super Bowl. I suspect he probably thought he'd never have such a chance.
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The Broncos v. Seahawks has a chance to be a matchup for the ages. It opened as a pick 'em game but the betting public has moved the line to Broncos -2.5. What this tells me is that the betting public doesn't have any better idea about who will win than the rest of us do. I am really looking forward to this one. Fun Fact: Champ Bailey in his long (drafted in 1999) Hall of Fame worthy career has never played in a Super Bowl. Just hope he doesn't get hit by a bus and stays healthy otherwise between now and game time. smile.gif


yeah from what I've seen the Seattle d should shut down Denver's passing game. that secondary is really tough to throw against, especially to the tight end
expect Denver to get out manned big time. don't think they've had to play as physical a team as Seattle all year

only thing that give me pause are the refs. we've seen all playoffs the refs have no problems interjecting themselves unnecessarily into games and making sure they have an impact as to which team wins. given this is supposed to be Peyton's coronation, you poor Seattle fans, expect to get screwed out of another Super Bowl next week

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yeah from what I've seen the Seattle d should shut down Denver's passing game
THAT really is the key to the game, isn't it?
Can Seattle shutdown Manning?
FWIW, I have learned NOT to bet against the guy.
He has an awful lot of motivation too....wink.gif

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hey hawks fans, assume the position!
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THAT really is the key to the game, isn't it?
Can Seattle shutdown Manning?
FWIW, I have learned NOT to bet against the guy.
He has an awful lot of motivation too....wink.gif
DON'T say that!
I am already starting to have nightmares.biggrin.gif

Never bet against Peyton in the regular season. In the post season, look at the record, not so much.

The question is…can Seattle mount an effective pass rush? The Denver OL pass protection has been excellent this year.

Seattle's other problem will be their offense, scoring enough points.
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Never bet against Peyton in the regular season. In the post season, look at the record, not so much.

The question is…can Seattle mount an effective pass rush? The Denver OL pass protection has been excellent this year.

Seattle's other problem will be their offense, scoring enough points.
Manning's overall postseason record includes several "one and dones". But if you look at his record in the years when he's gotten past the first game (as he's done this year), he's 11-3.
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yeah from what I've seen the Seattle d should shut down Denver's passing game. that secondary is really tough to throw against, especially to the tight end
expect Denver to get out manned big time. don't think they've had to play as physical a team as Seattle all year

only thing that give me pause are the refs. we've seen all playoffs the refs have no problems interjecting themselves unnecessarily into games and making sure they have an impact as to which team wins. given this is supposed to be Peyton's coronation, you poor Seattle fans, expect to get screwed out of another Super Bowl next week

hey hawks fans, assume the position!

I have often seen calls that made me question the competency of NFL officials but have never seen anything that made me suspicious of their integrity. Further, in last weekend's conference championship games, it seemed to me that the officials went out of their way to avoid throwing too many flags. That said, no matter what happens, some fans of whichever team loses will complain that their team lost because the officials shaded their calls to insure that the other guys won. As a poster in the other thread put it, such claims made him excuse himself so he could go home and look for his tin foil hat. smile.gif Me too.
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Never bet against Peyton in the regular season. In the post season, look at the record, not so much.

This article on Cold Hard Football Facts sheds some light on the 9-11 (now 11-11) playoff record by Manning. Hint: By the actual statistics, Manning is actually slightly BETTER in the playoffs than he is in the regular season, but one man doesn't win football games on his own. Peyton Manning typically has his teams in position to win the game. Defense or special teams let-downs are responsible for the losses.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/peyton-mannings-9-11-playoff-record-is-call-for-help/20868/

Other articles actually show that quarterbacks like Tom Brady, lauded for his winning playoff record, are actually some of the worst playoff quarterbacks by statistics, regressing in the post season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/how-should-we-judge-quarterbacks-postseason

Plus, there's the fact that in order to even have 11 losses in the playoffs, you need to have taken your team to 11 seasons worth of playoffs. Look at Eli Manning, who has an 8-3 playoff record, but has only gotten his team to the playoffs 5 times in his 10 seasons as a starter. He just so happened to win it all twice, and has been otherwise been 1-and-done three times.

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I have often seen calls that made me question the competency of NFL officials but have never seen anything that made me suspicious of their integrity. Further, in last weekend's conference championship games, it seemed to me that the officials went out of their way to avoid throwing too many flags. That said, no matter what happens, some fans of whichever team loses will complain that their team lost because the officials shaded their calls to insure that the other guys won. As a poster in the other thread put it, such claims made him excuse himself so he could go home and look for his tin foil hat. smile.gif Me too.

my point is twofold

first the refs still completely perform malfeasant calls several times each playoff game. not that they are favoring one team or trying to influence the outcome, but that they are completely incompetent. why the nfl tolerates this and allows it to fester is beyond me. can't think of any other multi billion dollar business operation that sanctions a 20% failure rate in the performance of their product

The second and more disturbing issue is the favoritism shown to certain teams in certain select games. most fans not rooting for new england might tend to agree that their bountiful playoff and Super Bowl run over the last decade has been assisted by several dubious calls, almost all of which benefited that team

the most egregious example I have ever seen in a major game was what happened to Seattle in their only prior Super Bowl. they should have won that game fair and square but due to the referees intervention the game was handed to Pittsburgh. hence my warning about this game with mannings post-game induction ceremonies already scheduled by the networks

certainly no love lost for the hawks on my part as I'm a lifelong niner.

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This article on Cold Hard Football Facts sheds some light on the 9-11 (now 11-11) playoff record by Manning. Hint: By the actual statistics, Manning is actually slightly BETTER in the playoffs than he is in the regular season, but one man doesn't win football games on his own. Peyton Manning typically has his teams in position to win the game. Defense or special teams let-downs are responsible for the losses.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/peyton-mannings-9-11-playoff-record-is-call-for-help/20868/

Other articles actually show that quarterbacks like Tom Brady, lauded for his winning playoff record, are actually some of the worst playoff quarterbacks by statistics, regressing in the post season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/how-should-we-judge-quarterbacks-postseason

Plus, there's the fact that in order to even have 11 losses in the playoffs, you need to have taken your team to 11 seasons worth of playoffs. Look at Eli Manning, who has an 8-3 playoff record, but has only gotten his team to the playoffs 5 times in his 10 seasons as a starter. He just so happened to win it all twice, and has been otherwise been 1-and-done three times.
Thanks for the links and analysis. Here's a comparison of Manning and Brady's passing in the playoffs:

Gms Att Com Pct Yards Yds/Att Td Int QBR


Manning

22 841 538 63.9 6408 7.6 36 22 90.5


Brady

26 950 590 62.11 6424 6.76 43 22 87.5
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The problem with NFL referring is inconsistency. It seems that it's inconsistency by design as pundits observe that refs keep the flags in their pockets in playoff games. Why should that be? Either keep it in your pants during the regular season too (my preference) or be consistent with the season's interpretation in the playoffs and throw the flag per the rules.

The only SB I can recall being butchered by the refs was Seattle's last SB.
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You can blame one person in the "New GFL" for the horrible officiating.. Dean Blandino, the New VP of Officiating. Who the he*l is Dean Blandino, good question.. Based on what I can find he was never an NFL Referee but sold replay equipment to the Nfl, I mean GFL, Goddell Football League... He was a "Replay Official" ie Up in the Booth.. Lots of old school fans say it's "Studio Football"
1. The personal file penalty on Donte Whitner was a joke, he led with his shoulder, and made the hit. Even Troy couldn't believe it.
2. The missed fumble recovery by the horribly injured Navarro Bowman was incomprehensible. Forget the lack of replay, how didn't ANY of the Officials see it???

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The problem with NFL referring is inconsistency. It seems that it's inconsistency by design as pundits observe that refs keep the flags in their pockets in playoff games. Why should that be? Either keep it in your pants during the regular season too (my preference) or be consistent with the season's interpretation in the playoffs and throw the flag per the rules.

The only SB I can recall being butchered by the refs was Seattle's last SB.

I am a crank about how many interference calls would have been better left as no calls, so considerer source as I go on. Football is a physical game, so wide receivers and defensive backs routinely pound on each other on every passing play. In fact, it is expressly allowed within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Thus, I groan every time an interference call gets made for anything short of a mugging. College football officials are even more likely to make ticky-tack interference calls because under college rules the penalty can be no more than 15 yards. SIGH, thanks for the use of the hall.
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