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Talk about throwing cold water on the proceedings.....sheesh.
Sorry. Just pointing out that were aren't as clever and smart as we sometimes think we are (see post #361 ) Just lucky.

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The lone wolf distracted Gus to enable him to see where Malvo was, then later Malvo is distracted by the wolf while Gus sneaks up on him....but I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
This does a better job of explaining than I could ever do.

Right after Gus finishes telling Molly to be careful and not go after Malvo, he slams on his brakes when he sees a wolf standing in the road.

That brings to mind the survival-of-the-fittest yarn Malvo spun for supermarket maven Stavros Milos in Episode 5, with pearls of wisdom like "You know what wolves do? They hunt. They kill."

Then in Episode 6, Malvo had that dummy Don Chumph read a script over the phone to Stavros: a parable about a little boy with nothing to his name. "Why was he outside, and they in? Why was he so hungry, and they fed? It should be me, he said. And out of the darkness, the wolves came, whispering."

Back to the finale: As the wolf trudges off the road, the path it takes leads Gus to spot the red BMW that Malvo's been driving. Later, Malvo spies that same wolf through his window of his cabin, right before Gus emerges from the darkness, pistol in hand.

Which brings us to…

Just before Gus pulls the trigger on Malvo, he tells him, "I figured it out… your riddle." What riddle was he talking about?

That's a reference to Episode 4, when Gus had to watch helplessly as Malvo walked out of the police station free as a bird after posing as a harmless minister named Frank Peterson.

When Gus stopped Malvo on the way out and asked him how he can lie like that, Malvo responded with his own question: "Did you know the human eye can see more shades of green than any other color? My question for you is: Why?"

Gus didn't have an answer, so Malvo told him, "When you figure out the answer to my question, you'll have the answer to yours." Later in the episode, Molly gave Gus the answer: "Because of predators."

As Fargo creator Noah Hawley explains to Yahoo TV, "Before men had homes and they lived in the wilderness, you had to be able to spot the predators. There are so many shades of green in nature that the human eye developed to be able to see them all. But for Gus, what it meant was you're either predator or you're prey. In that moment, Malvo was telling Gus, 'The reason that I can come in here and lie and walk out the front door is because I'm a predator and you're not.'"

So basically, Malvo was a predator willing to lie, cheat, and steal (and kill) in order to survive. And finally, Gus realized that to put a stop to Malvo, he had to become a predator himself. So he puts five bullets in Malvo, redeeming himself for letting Malvo go in the premiere.
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I had predicted the use of the bear trap (I'm not smart -- just remember the if they show a contraption it will be used trope).
Now you're just showing off.....

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Colin Hanks is another story. I've never felt that he does it.
His range is very limited and, like you say, not very convincing.

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Just pointing out that were aren't as clever and smart as we sometimes think we are (see post #361 ) Just lucky.
I always tell Ms. Oink, "It's better to be lucky than good....looking."

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As Fargo creator Noah Hawley explains to Yahoo TV, "Before men had homes and they lived in the wilderness, you had to be able to spot the predators. There are so many shades of green in nature that the human eye developed to be able to see them all. But for Gus, what it meant was you're either predator or you're prey. In that moment, Malvo was telling Gus, 'The reason that I can come in here and lie and walk out the front door is because I'm a predator and you're not.'"

So basically, Malvo was a predator willing to lie, cheat, and steal (and kill) in order to survive. And finally, Gus realized that to put a stop to Malvo, he had to become a predator himself. So he puts five bullets in Malvo, redeeming himself for letting Malvo go in the premiere.
In another interview, Hawley explained the wolf that Malvo saw:

http://www.avclub.com/article/fargo-...gh-show-205847

AVC: How did the image of the wolf occur to you?
NH: We have a lot of animal imagery throughout the season. We did drop fish from the sky, after all. There was a moment where I really liked the way that it came out, which is Malvo is injured and he’s on the sofa. He looks out the window, and he sees the wolf, and he realizes that he’s not the predator anymore. He’s the prey now. At that moment, Gus steps out of the shadows, and there’s a smile on Malvo’s face. I feel like Joel and Ethan have described this region as Siberia with family restaurants, and that image is so compelling to me, of the fact that these people could be living in a wilderness where you could freeze to death in a parking lot, and they go from mall to home and they think they’re living in the civilized world and they’re not at all. Malvo was a representation of that, of what happens when a civilized man puts on his mukluks and goes out into the wilderness. Lester was the civilized man, and Malvo was what he brings back.

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I interpreted the wolf as The Unexpected.....The Wildcard, if you will.

Nah, it was me.

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Nah, it was me.
I should have recognized that mangy coat when I first saw it...
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After Gus put three bullets in Malvo, when he started moving I thought, uh-oh, werewolf. Must. Have. Silver. Bullets. The reason that briefly crossed my mind was the way the wolf and Malvo were looking at each other.
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After Gus put three bullets in Malvo, when he started moving I thought, uh-oh, werewolf. Must. Have. Silver. Bullets. The reason that briefly crossed my mind was the way the wolf and Malvo were looking at each other.
Remember, he just shot himself with probably a crapload of some kind of painkiller.
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the most interesting thing was that it seems there is going to be a second series, I wasn't aware that had been decided on yet.
Fargo was a limited 10-episode-only series in the same sense that it was based on a true story. Which is to say not at all.

I think that every season should end with it being promoted as the "Series Finale." Until the next one.
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I can't overstate my fondness for Fargo. As much as I enjoyed True Detective, at the end of the day I thought Fargo was better.

Thanks to reading a couple of the pieces about the finale linked to earlier in this thread, I went back and watched portions of the seminal Episode 4, Eating the Blame. Then I rewatched Malvo's death scene in the finale. All of that showed me that the wolf, first seen by Gus and later by Malvo, was a metaphor for predators. Malvo's riddle to Gus earlier, "Why can the human eye see more shades of green that of any other color?" later answered for Gus by Molly, "Because it served as protection against predators" told us more. Gus finally understood that unless he himself became the predator, Malvo would be a constant threat to Molly, so he blew out Malvo's brains.

I think the thing that brought Sheriff Bill to his senses and convinced him that he needed to give up police work, was the shock of learning that his friend Lester was a liar and a murderer. That shock made Bill realize that following the tenets of the good old boy network in police work, as he had been doing, is the kind of mistake that can cost lives. Old Bill will never be the same, which, it seems to me, is a Good Thing.
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All of that showed me that the wolf, first seen by Gus and later by Malvo, was a metaphor for predators. Malvo's riddle to Gus earlier, "Why can the human eye see more shades of green that of any other color?" later answered for Gus by Molly, "Because it served as protection against predators" told us more. Gus finally understood that unless he himself became the predator, Malvo would be a constant threat to Molly, so he blew out Malvo's brains.
The creator, Noah Hawley, explains the wolf about 6 posts prior to yours.
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I'd say the ratings numbers look good. Fargo took a big hit after that premier, but it did finish strong. I presume the other big hit they took was because of the carryover from Memorial Day weekend.

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/fa...ratings-32178/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...s-more/274598/
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The creator, Noah Hawley, explains the wolf about 6 posts prior to yours.
Yeah, I had read that before I posted.
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The Coen Bros are the best. Great show and this and True Detective where both great and lucky to have both in the same year.

These are just my opinions.
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The Coen Bros are the best. Great show and this and True Detective where both great and lucky to have both in the same year.
I agree on all three counts, the Coen brothers do outstanding work, and the TV version of Fargo, as well as True Detective, were terrific.

Speaking of the Coens, I watched my old DVD of the movie Fargo after I saw the finale of the TV show. It was fun to get to enjoy this classic film again, 10 Stars out of 10, but it was also intriguing to see the points of convergence and divergence between the film and the TV show. Although the TV version of Fargo has a few weaknesses the film lacks, it was one of the most entertaining television series I have seen. My reservations about the TV show are mostly limited to its over the top pilot and a few other things that occurred during the course of the series I thought were overdone. Nevertheless, the series was mostly wonderful.
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Critics' Choice Awards, 2014
Winners:


BEST MINI-SERIES
Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST ACTOR IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES
Billy Bob Thornton, Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES
Allison Tolman, Fargo (FX) (WINNER)


Also Nominated:

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES
Colin Hanks, Fargo (FX)

http://www.criticschoice.com/television-awards/

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The Coen Bros are the best. Great show and this and True Detective where both great and lucky to have both in the same year.
Altho supposedly the Coen Bros themselves had little to nothing to do with this tv series....will have to go find True Detective after the mentions here, though.

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So how sure is everyone that Lester is dead?

Don't recall seeing him in a scene in a morgue with a body tag on his toe...

Remember Molly's phone conversation regarding the divers looking for him?
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BEST MINI-SERIES
Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST ACTOR IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES
Billy Bob Thornton, Fargo (FX) (WINNER)
Looking at the competition, it was a no-brainer.

Unfortunately, Fargo wasn't put in the Best Series category with the other heavyweights.
I believe it could have given Breaking Bad a run for its meth money.

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So how sure is everyone that Lester is dead?

Don't recall seeing him in a scene in a morgue with a body tag on his toe...
I think it is Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.

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Looking at the competition, it was a no-brainer.

Unfortunately, Fargo wasn't put in the Best Series category with the other heavyweights.
I believe it could have given Breaking Bad a run for its meth money.

I think it is Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.
Fargo = Great
Breaking Bad = Incredible

Perhaps I misremembered.

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Bring this one back for another season please.
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So how sure is everyone that Lester is dead?

Don't recall seeing him in a scene in a morgue with a body tag on his toe...

Remember Molly's phone conversation regarding the divers looking for him?
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After Gus put three bullets in Malvo, when he started moving I thought, uh-oh, werewolf. Must. Have. Silver. Bullets. The reason that briefly crossed my mind was the way the wolf and Malvo were looking at each other.
One scene that made me wonder if Malvo was supernatural was after he shot the sheriff and went to the basement. Lester went down there and couldn't find Malvo with there being no indication of another exit. That's how I remembered the scene. Anybody see that differently?
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Altho supposedly the Coen Bros themselves had little to nothing to do with this tv series....will have to go find True Detective after the mentions here, though.
Do be sure to watch True Detective, it's not to be missed.
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Martin Freeman was also nominated.. but yeah I agree that Billy Bob was better...

I have an idea for season 2, since some are speculating that Lester is still alive... how about he planning his "demise" and was actually wearing a wet suit and put some scuba gear and have a spot to crack the ice?

Last thing we knew is that divers were looking for his body.....

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Looking at the competition, it was a no-brainer.

Unfortunately, Fargo wasn't put in the Best Series category with the other heavyweights.
I believe it could have given Breaking Bad a run for its meth money.

As the only person in the world who wasn't completely satisfied by the BB ending, I tend to agree with you. Fargo wasn't as good as the whole series , but I liked it more than BB's last season. And that is very high praise because BB was still very good.


Game of Thrones is still the best thing on tv however.

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Yo! We're getting ready to start S3 of BB, so please use spoilers if you guys decide to get into a discussion about it. Thanks. Loving it so far.
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I haven't seen BB, so I defer to your judgement.

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One scene that made me wonder if Malvo was supernatural was after he shot the sheriff and went to the basement. Lester went down there and couldn't find Malvo with there being no indication of another exit. That's how I remembered the scene. Anybody see that differently?
No, that is how I saw it too.
There were other small hints scattered thru the episodes that caused me to wonder.

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Richly deserved IMO.

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how about he planning his "demise" and was actually wearing a wet suit and put some scuba gear and have a spot to crack the ice?

Last thing we knew is that divers were looking for his body.....
REALLY?

OK, I'll play....
Before the lake iced over, Lester anchored a submarine underwater.
Using a reconfigured remote garage opener, he used demon heat from a conduit tapped into the depths of Hell to melt the ice near his sub.
This allowed him a spot to crash thru the ice cracking directly over the emergency outside hatch (the water being barely above freezing wouldn't have allowed him to swim far in his winter clothing).
He slipped into his escape sub, fired up the electric motor and silently moved away from ice opening (don't want to be found by divers) and waited for Spring thaw.
By that time, no one would be in a hurry to find him and he could vanish to Mexico, sipping Mai-tais on the beach and planning his newest caper.

How's that?


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Game of Thrones is still the best thing on tv however.
No argument here.
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Oink you are a better writer than a lot of current TV shows' writers... nice one!

But like many TV shows: no body = not dead, maybe I lost count

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But like many TV shows: no body = not dead, maybe I lost count
You do bring up a good point.


I think Hollywood needs to back off a bit on that overused plot device.
It's being used everywhere.
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