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I wonder why Tolman was nominated for a supporting actress award? As I recall, she was the primary actress among the women featured on the show, and gave a lead actor's performance.

The Emmy's work in mysterious ways.
The network submits its shows for consideration in categories where it believes it has a better chance of actually winning. John Landgraf gave an interview a while back explaining why Fargo and American Horror Story should be considered miniseries for awards purposes, not series. He lamented that HBO submitted True Detective as a series, which he considered unfair.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/emmy...ies-is-unfair/

The Oscars work the same way, which is how you wind up with situations like Mira Sorvino winning a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for Mighty Aphrodite even though she's clearly the film's female lead.

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That's interesting about how the nominations work as I never knew that and it does explain a lot.

Freeman and Billy Bob to me deserve nominations. I felt overall they were the only solid thing about that show despite the first episode being amazing and a couple other episodes being really good. What a letdown it ended up being for me and my buddy who felt the same. I had such high hopes. I think the greatness of Hannibal and Sherlock have spoiled me when it comes to TV.

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FX Orders Second Installment Of ‘Fargo’, Fifth Season Of ‘Louie’
By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Monday July 21, 2014 @ 9:20am PDT / deadline.com

It was a risky proposition, but Noah Hawley’s take on the Coen brothers classic Fargo was deemed a critical success, landing 18 Emmy nominations, and it drew a sizable total audience when time-shifted viewing and encores are factored in. Not surprisingly, FX is ordering a second 10-episode installment, with Hawley back as writer/executive producer for MGM TV and FX Prods. The new chapter of the Fargo story will feature an all-new cast of characters, a brand new cast, a new time period and a new “true crime” story, and it may be filmed in the same location in Calgary. “Noah’s audacious, bordering on hubristic riff on my favorite Coen brothers film earned 18 Emmy nominations – the most for a single program in our history,” FX Networks CEO John Landgraf. While Ryan Murphy has been using a core group of actors in multiple installments of American Horror Story, “Fargo demands a different level of realism, and we felt we couldn’t introduce these actors as new characters.”

Meanwhile, it was a long wait for Season 4 of Louis C.K.’s comedy series Louie but Season 5 is expected to arrive in time, albeit in an abbreviated form. FX has renewed Louie for a fifth season, which will consist of seven episodes — half the size of Season 4 — to premiere in spring 2015. “Louie’s fourth season was once again groundbreaking. Sometimes hilarious, sometimes heartbreaking — always thought provoking,” said Landgraf. “The show went to narrative and cinematic places no comedy has gone before and we look forward to seeing what Louis comes up with next.” Louie is nominated for five Emmys, including best comedy series. FX Prods. is producing.

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Well, I finished finally.

This show exceeded everyone's expectation, I think. When I heard they were going to do a series based on Fargo and the Coens were not involved, I thought ugh this could be real bad. But the show turned out great. It doesn't feel like a pale imitation of a Coens movie that copies familiar tropes without getting the feel of the original. I love all the shout outs to not just Fargo but other Coen movies, like the biblical themes and parables (A Serious Man), the dumb personal trainer (Burn After Reading), some Raising Arizona slapstick bit with the two boys. The shot of Gus lying awake in bed and deciding damnit he had to do something mirrors the shot of Llewellyn lying in bed and deciding he had to go back to the desert in NCFOM. (I'm disappointed they missed the chance to show light going through bullet holes.) The writing and direction is very good throughout. Terrific casting and acting (the only weak spot was Colin Hanks, but I think mostly bc I've seen him do the same character before). I hope the actress who played Molly will get more work. Nice work on the soundtrack.

It's not as perfect as the movie, but then it's hard to be perfect over ten hours. I have particularly a problem with the penultimate episode. Why the hell did Lester confront Malvo. I know he was feeling good about getting away with murder and winning SotY etc but he had to know Malvo was a few links higher in the food chain. I'd expect him to run like hell. Instead he decided to jump into the shark tank and when the shark did not bite proceeded to cut his hand and splash around for good measure.

It didn't make sense either that Malvo would blow his cover. He'd spent six months working the dentist, as a dentist (that POV shot gave me new sympathy for dentists everywhere). Took insane amount of risk on account of this little twerp (a Vegas casino probably has more surveillance than CIA HQ), whom he could've walked away from and easily disposed of later. I read the writer's rationale for Malvo's action and ok I can accept it, but it's not something viewers can expect to get in the moment. Anyway still does not explain why Lester into Malvo's face. It was a near jump the shark moment for me.

A more plausible scenario would be: Malvo spots Lester in Vegas and follows him. Sees that he's a hotshot now. Lester picks up the hot woman in the bar and invites himself back to her room. They go into an elevator and Malvo slips in. He says hello Lester. Starts needling him. Asks about his brother in jail, who's the hot Asian chick I saw you with this morning, etc. Lester acts like he doesn't know him. Malvo pulls out gun and shoots woman dead. You remember me now? Maybe not as dramatic...

There are a couple of loose threads. Malvo killed a guard to taunt the deaf guy, but we never saw him again (I guess it's hard to do anything sitting in jail). The odd meeting with the friend that recalls Marge running into the Asian high school guy didn't figure into anything. And for completeness, I wanted Molly to nab Lester herself, preferably with a slug in the leg.

That said, I think the ending was satisfying, and the last shot was earned, unlike true detectives. I think on the whole, I like it better than TD. I feel the TD writer kinda
Lindelofed us. SPOILER ALERT. He threw in all this mystical stuff about carcosa and hinted about a wide conspiracy, but in the end it came down to one wacko. They got their man, but left so much unsolved still. That last hopeful note felt false. The light got one back, but it wasn't winning.

PS: Maybe instead of doing another Fargo season, the writer should pick another Coen universe to riff off on.
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A more plausible scenario would be: Malvo spots Lester in Vegas and follows him. Sees that he's a hotshot now.
One thing the professor used to admonish me about when I took a film criticism class: criticize the film that was actually made, not explain the film you wish they had made. They clearly wanted Lester to become cocky and arrogant, so full of himself that he felt he could be buddy-buddy with Malvo. He was definitely not thinking clearly.

This kind of continues the thing with the movie Fargo, where the befuddled husband (William H. Macey) makes a series of bad decisions that don't go well. The style, the pacing, the visuals, and the storyline sorta/kinda go with the whole Coen thing.

Though I gotta say, that was a huge "WTF" moment when the titles pop up saying "1 Year Later" and we find out that Lester is this huge success, his life has completely turned around, and he's gotten away with everything. Well, for awhile.
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Doh, and a late addition: the producers say the 2nd season of Fargo will have a completely different cast and take place in 1979, showing the origins of the Keith Carradine character:

http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/farg...second-season/

That surprises me, but the guys doing the show are definitely keeping people off-balance.

No word about the crooked grocery store guy.
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It's interesting that they want to stay at least tangentially within the Coen Brothers' Fargo universe, making references and homages to the movie while striking out on their own with original stories. A much more inventive and entertaining prospect than the muddled mess 'American Horror Story' devolved into with its anthology format.
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Well, I finished finally.



This show exceeded everyone's expectation, I think. When I heard they were going to do a series based on Fargo and the Coens were not involved, I thought ugh this could be real bad. But the show turned out great. It doesn't feel like a pale imitation of a Coens movie that copies familiar tropes without getting the feel of the original. I love all the shout outs to not just Fargo but other Coen movies, like the biblical themes and parables (A Serious Man), the dumb personal trainer (Burn After Reading), some Raising Arizona slapstick bit with the two boys. The shot of Gus lying awake in bed and deciding damnit he had to do something mirrors the shot of Llewellyn lying in bed and deciding he had to go back to the desert in NCFOM. (I'm disappointed they missed the chance to show light going through bullet holes.) The writing and direction is very good throughout. Terrific casting and acting (the only weak spot was Colin Hanks, but I think mostly bc I've seen him do the same character before). I hope the actress who played Molly will get more work. Nice work on the soundtrack.



It's not as perfect as the movie, but then it's hard to be perfect over ten hours. I have particularly a problem with the penultimate episode. Why the hell did Lester confront Malvo. I know he was feeling good about getting away with murder and winning SotY etc but he had to know Malvo was a few links higher in the food chain. I'd expect him to run like hell. Instead he decided to jump into the shark tank and when the shark did not bite proceeded to cut his hand and splash around for good measure.



It didn't make sense either that Malvo would blow his cover. He'd spent six months working the dentist, as a dentist (that POV shot gave me new sympathy for dentists everywhere). Took insane amount of risk on account of this little twerp (a Vegas casino probably has more surveillance than CIA HQ), whom he could've walked away from and easily disposed of later. I read the writer's rationale for Malvo's action and ok I can accept it, but it's not something viewers can expect to get in the moment. Anyway still does not explain why Lester into Malvo's face. It was a near jump the shark moment for me.



A more plausible scenario would be: Malvo spots Lester in Vegas and follows him. Sees that he's a hotshot now. Lester picks up the hot woman in the bar and invites himself back to her room. They go into an elevator and Malvo slips in. He says hello Lester. Starts needling him. Asks about his brother in jail, who's the hot Asian chick I saw you with this morning, etc. Lester acts like he doesn't know him. Malvo pulls out gun and shoots woman dead. You remember me now? Maybe not as dramatic...



There are a couple of loose threads. Malvo killed a guard to taunt the deaf guy, but we never saw him again (I guess it's hard to do anything sitting in jail). The odd meeting with the friend that recalls Marge running into the Asian high school guy didn't figure into anything. And for completeness, I wanted Molly to nab Lester herself, preferably with a slug in the leg.



That said, I think the ending was satisfying, and the last shot was earned, unlike true detectives. I think on the whole, I like it better than TD. I feel the TD writer kinda

Lindelofed us. SPOILER ALERT. He threw in all this mystical stuff about carcosa and hinted about a wide conspiracy, but in the end it came down to one wacko. They got their man, but left so much unsolved still. That last hopeful note felt false. The light got one back, but it wasn't winning.



PS: Maybe instead of doing another Fargo season, the writer should pick another Coen universe to riff off on.

For Lester you said it yourself it was a "new" Lester who didn't back down. His normal instinct would have been to leave things alone. The new SoTY Lester however would stick to his guns backed by his confidence that he got away with everything. He felt that he had been elevated above his station and well we all know how that turned out


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For Lester you said it yourself it was a "new" Lester who didn't back down. His normal instinct would have been to leave things alone. The new SoTY Lester however would stick to his guns backed by his confidence that he got away with everything. He felt that he had been elevated above his station and well we all know how that turned out


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I was much more comfortable with Lester's reaction to Malvo than the actions Malvo took in the elevator because of Lester's annoying interference. That made no sense to me. He'd been working that con for too long to just throw it all away to "teach Lester a lesson".
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I was much more comfortable with Lester's reaction to Malvo than the actions Malvo took in the elevator because of Lester's annoying interference. That made no sense to me. He'd been working that con for too long to just throw it all away to "teach Lester a lesson".

Lester however would forever be a thorn. Also he had planted the seeds of doubt ruining his cover partially anyways. He wasn't going to let it go until Malvo recognized him. That's why he gave Lester a choice drop it and everyone goes off happy, be hardheaded and well things end poorly.

Having worked in a casino/hotel the biggest issue people should have had was the lack of cameras in the elevator. There are cameras everywhere in the casino outside of a few select places.


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I was much more comfortable with Lester's reaction to Malvo than the actions Malvo took in the elevator because of Lester's annoying interference. That made no sense to me. He'd been working that con for too long to just throw it all away to "teach Lester a lesson".

Malvo felt a connection to Lester that the show didn't fully explain. It was a plot point we had to accept without really understanding it.

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Malvo felt a connection to Lester that the show didn't fully explain. It was a plot point we had to accept without really understanding it.
I think this explains it.

Lester is first seen talking with his wife about the loud washing machine in the basement, and in reply is given a long rant from Pearl about how Lester's brother Chaz always has better utilities than they do. Lester stops paying attention as he watches the washing machine shake and whir in the basement. At work, he tries to pitch life insurance to an expecting couple, and fails horribly to the point where they leave the building terrified. He is later confronted by his old school bully Sam Hess and his two sons. The two of them "reminisce" about the times Lester had been tortured by Sam. Sam pretends to punch Lester to get him to freak out again, resulting in Lester flinching and throwing his face into the window of a building. He goes to the hospital to get his nose checked, where he meets Lorne Malvo, who is there due to a head injury. Lester opens up to Lorne about how Sam has always harassed him, to which Lorne replies that he would have killed a man like that. Lester inadvertently asks Lorne to kill Sam, but before he can take back his mistake, he is called to the nurse's office. Lester and Pearl later visit Chaz and his family for dinner, where Chaz shows him his private gun collection. Chaz lets him hold a machine gun, but quickly drops it due to it being too heavy for him. He tries to apologize, but is instead ridiculed for being a weak older brother. It is later implied by Pearl that Lester hit Chaz offscreen. Lester goes to work the next day to find out that Sam has been killed. He confronts Lorne about this, but Lorne tells him he was the one that called for it. Lorne tells him he needs to learn to stand up for himself. Lester takes this advice and applies it to fix the washing machine. The machine breaks, and Pearl nags him for always being a failure. Lester tells her to take it back, but she continued to taunt him. In retaliation, he hits her on the head with a hammer. Realizing what he has just done, he freaks out and continues bashing her head in. He calls Lorne to tell him to come help clean up the crime scene, planning to kill Lorne when he arrives. He instead gets a visit from Vern, who quickly puts together what happened. Before Vern can arrest him, Lorne shows up and shoots Vern. Lester follows Lorne into the basement, only to see that Lorne is no longer there and the police have arrived. Lester rams his head into the wall to knock himself out and make it look like he (along with his wife) were victims of a home invasion. He wakes up in the hospital the next morning and notices he has a hand wound from the shotgun shell that ricoheted when it hit Vern.

To me, Malvo respects Lester for taking his advice and standing up for himself - one killer identifying with another.
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Nice summary, but I don't think it fully explains their relationship. Malvo kills for a living, yet he's willing to murder someone to help out a stranger, for basically trivial reasons, with no pay. He also kills a cop and helps cover up Lester's killing of his wife. And then he's willing to sacrifice a long time setup and eventual pay off because of Lester. There's got to be more to it than just respecting Lester for taking his advice. He sees a bond between them that isn't clearly visible to the viewer of the show.


I don't mean that as a negative, btw. I loved how Malvo's willingness to become involved in Lester's life was never fully explained. Adds to the weirdness.
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Nice summary, but I don't think it fully explains their relationship. Malvo kills for a living, yet he's willing to murder someone to help out a stranger, for basically trivial reasons, with no pay. He also kills a cop and helps cover up Lester's killing of his wife. And then he's willing to sacrifice a long time setup and eventual pay off because of Lester. There's got to be more to it than just respecting Lester for taking his advice. He sees a bond between them that isn't clearly visible to the viewer of the show.


I don't mean that as a negative, btw. I loved how Malvo's willingness to become involved in Lester's life was never fully explained. Adds to the weirdness.
Maybe Lester reminds Malvo a little of himself when he was a bit younger and less ruthless and identifies with him in a way?


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Malvo is playing with Lester like an ant and a magnifying glass. He is curious what Lester will do.

This was a very good (almost great) show (IMHO)
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Just finished a 3 night binge session tonight, it's been sitting on my DVR since it ran. Billy Bob was great and that last scene in the cabin when he set his broken leg was gruesome.

I really enjoyed it, couldn't believe all the name actors that were sprinkled all over the series.

Looking forward to the next version we get.
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