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post #61 of 72 Old 05-18-2015, 11:06 AM
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Finally got caught up with this amazing show (and season) last night. Great scene between Mary and Abe's father when she told him everything going on. And always great to see "Kenzie" -- big hair and all.
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Finally caught up, just before the finale. Well, better late than never!

Great season -- this show is terrific television and vastly underrated IMO. Love the portrayal of General Washington as a less than perfect yet still imposing Father of Our Country. He had his setbacks, but history tends to gloss them over in light of his many accomplishments. Wonder if he really suffered from delusions/hallucinations or if that was just dramatic license?

Really loved Sackett's submarine (R.I.P.) and Caleb's Bond-like use of it and his tricked out pistol to affect his infiltration and escape. Captain Simcoe remains a deliciously evil villain, with Hewlett his perfect foil. You can see how Benedict Arnold's hubris and thirst for glory will eventually lead him down the path to infamy.

One thing I'm fuzzy on: Richard Rogers tries to defect directly to Washington 2 or 3 episodes back and George sends him off to be dealt with, but the next thing we know he's back in the field, albeit without his troops. If they showed him escaping rebel hands I don't remember seeing that scene...? In any event, it looks like he has no choice but to defect for real this time since his King abandoned him.
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Great episode and series. Was that supposed to be the Turtle submarine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_%28submersible%29

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Indeed it was! Obviously, dramatic liberties were taken.
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Finally caught up, just before the finale. Well, better late than never!

One thing I'm fuzzy on: Richard Rogers tries to defect directly to Washington 2 or 3 episodes back and George sends him off to be dealt with, but the next thing we know he's back in the field, albeit without his troops. If they showed him escaping rebel hands I don't remember seeing that scene...? In any event, it looks like he has no choice but to defect for real this time since his King abandoned him.
I think the defection scene with Rogers and Washington was a flashback from several years prior. But my memory is fuzzy on that.
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I think the defection scene with Rogers and Washington was a flashback from several years prior. But my memory is fuzzy on that.
There was no indication of that at all, as I recall. It was just jarring to expect to see him in custody, "taken off the board" as it were, and then the next time we see him he's back in the field doing his typical dastardly deeds.
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Dammit. You made me look. There was a flashback in that episode.

There are only a few men in North America who can make George Washington shudder, but Robert Rogers is one of them. They were acquaintances during the French and Indian War, when both men fought for the victorious British. Rogers earned his reputation as a shrewd and savage guerrilla warrior, while Washington was better known for his battlefield failures.

These men of war know each other, and after 14 episodes of Turn: Washington’s Spies, we know versions of them as well. That’s what makes the opening scene of “Sealed Fate,” a flashback set on the eve of the Revolution, so memorable and surprising: Washington and Rogers, in the same room. You could sense the danger, the bottled tension, and Washington’s wariness in meeting such a formidable and unpredictable potential adversary. This Rogers, whose calling card is a dagger, is not one to be trifled with.

As it was, Rogers offered his professional-killing services to Washington and the American army, but Washington knows too much about Rogers’ character—and the fact that the financially strapped Rogers has made similar overtures to the British. He simply can’t be trusted, so Washington has him arrested—a decision that backfires upon Rogers’ escape on his way to trial in New Hampshire.

Rogers has been muttering Washington’s name in contempt ever since, and in “Sealed Fate,” he finally exacts some retribution...


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Boy, they just gloss over all that history between them. There was no title card or anything else to indicate that was a flashback scene, nor do we see Rodgers escape.

I put that one on the writers and director of that episode. Poor job there.
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archiguy, I'll grant you that some more background there would have been helpful. I'll also give some benefit of the doubt to the writers in that they are trying to cram a whole lot of history into a limited amount of programming each season. Inevitably, some corners will be cut.

In any event, I am still loving this series. Great episodes each week.
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archiguy, I'll grant you that some more background there would have been helpful. I'll also give some benefit of the doubt to the writers in that they are trying to cram a whole lot of history into a limited amount of programming each season. Inevitably, some corners will be cut.
Oh, no doubt. However, that's not "corner cutting"; it's just bad direction and/or editing. Without that EW synopsis Bluto provided I would still be wondering how and when Rogers got away from the Continental Army. It was just plopped in there with no context provided to let the viewer know what was going on. One of those script "title cards" they always use to identify the locations would have done the trick.

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In any event, I am still loving this series. Great episodes each week.
Couldn't agree with you more on that. I rank this show right up there with 'Black Sails' and 'Hell on Wheels'. All are first-rate period pieces with terrific attention to detail and some of the best stuff on TV right now.

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I tend to watch shows like this very closely and rewind my DVR if I feel I missed the slightest detail. Like others here, I had absolutely no inkling that scene with Rodgers and Washington was a flashback from a couple years back. I thought it was more recent, though not necessarily "present day." Thanks for posting the recap, Bluto17!

I can't believe we are already at the finale! That was a great scene with Anna and Abe taking out Simcoe's men at the end of the last episode, even though I knew it was coming (since obviously the show would be over if they were all caught as spies).

I love how this show makes "enemies" like Hewlett sympathetic characters -- it's not all black and white. Abe's father is more odious than Hewlett.

As archiguy said, the attention to detail is amazing. As with Hell on Wheels, I totally lose sight of the fact that this is an artificial world created for a TV show. It's sad to know this show will run out of history to re-create at some point.
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Oh, no doubt. However, that's not "corner cutting"; it's just bad direction and/or editing. Without that EW synopsis Bluto provided I would still be wondering how and when Rogers got away from the Continental Army. It was just plopped in there with no context provided to let the viewer know what was going on. One of those script "title cards" they always use to identify the locations would have done the trick.
Again, I'm going off of fuzzy memory, but I think there was one of those cards. And the year was earlier than the 'current' setting.

Edit to say: But if you didn't catch the date, it wouldn't have helped. Washington's manservant was also dressed differently - I think.
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