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post #151 of 790 Old 07-08-2014, 04:47 PM
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While I could nitpick some more, this time I'll point out how cool it was for them to show one reason why shipboard romances are horrible ideas. Worrying excessively about another person on a mission is a good way to get both people killed.
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Anyone else notice the commander's voice cadence seems be be channeling a little John Wayne?
My wife said the exact same thing when we watched the episode tonight.
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Newer Arleigh Burke destroyers have 2 hangars forward of the landing pad - one of them has been reconfigured as the lab (per the first episode, how I understood it) and presumably the other is where the helicopter is being stored.
That was my suspicion, but being an ancient AF pencil and color marker pusher, I didn't want to take the chance. Although, I did have a vague memory of this from a program that aired on HDNet.
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While I could nitpick some more, this time I'll point out how cool it was for them to show one reason why shipboard romances are horrible ideas. Worrying excessively about another person on a mission is a good way to get both people killed.
OTOH, there were the Spartans, who, by all accounts, were quite successful for a long time.
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Although both the Nathan Hale's CO and XO are commanders, I assumed that it happened because the XO recently had been promoted to commander but had not yet received orders transferring him from the ship. It happens sometimes.

I thought about that but usually he wouldn't be there for more than a few weeks. But what the heck, it's just a TV show. Shouldn't expect perfection.

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I thought about that but usually he wouldn't be there for more than a few weeks. But what the heck, it's just a TV show. Shouldn't expect perfection.
They were, of course, up in the Arctic for a period. And then, when they came out, the world as we knew it is gone. The second commander has no place to go.

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I have to wonder how they picked up those two at the end without getting close to the Russian cruiser.
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That was real questionable.
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Maybe a second boat. That's what I assumed. If launched from the ship after the Russian ship had a hole blown in it, the crew of the Russian ship would be preoccupied with that hole, not so much with a weak second boat heading their way.
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Hmmm....so not one person in this thread remembers when they interrogated the scientist's assistant after he tried to kidnap her and they asked him what his escape plan was? He said the Russians had left a boat nearby for them to use to get to the Russian ship. So yes, there was a boat for them to swim to and use to escape.
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Hmmm....so not one person in this thread remembers when they interrogated the scientist's assistant after he tried to kidnap her and they asked him what his escape plan was? He said the Russians had left a boat nearby for them to use to get to the Russian ship. So yes, there was a boat for them to swim to and use to escape.
Ugh, that was the boat they took to the ship and blew up. His escape was from them, not the Russians.
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Ugh, that was the boat they took to the ship and blew up. His escape was from them, not the Russians.

Could be, but after the Russians caught them exploring with the mini sub and killed their guys, it would make more sense to use the boat that was already in place versus trying to position another one as an escape boat without getting caught. The Russians wouldn't shoot a boat coming straight from the Navy ship, because it could be the Captain coming to turn her over. And they wouldn't think they needed to fear a small boat like that.

Either way, it's TV. There are a million holes in each episode.
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Good episode. The Russian captain is a wonderful character to have on the show.
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Did they mention why when they were 100 miles away from that island they did not use the helicopter to run water shuttles between the ship and the island?


I missed a reason or the writers did or more likely an editor took the reference right out.

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Did they mention why when they were 100 miles away from that island they did not use the helicopter to run water shuttles between the ship and the island?


I missed a reason or the writers did or more likely an editor took the reference right out.

I took it as they didn't know they were that close to land because all essential systems were down due to the power outage, no radar, etc.
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Either way, it's TV. There are a million holes in each episode.
Which is why I give it so much leeway, there's plot holes big enough to drive a U.S.Naval destroyer through.
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Wonder what the helo's range is?

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Which is why I give it so much leeway, there's plot holes big enough to drive a U.S.Naval destroyer through.
Just like real life government operations. 90% of the time doing anything in the military. WE were like why? what? That doesn't make sense? Why are we running to second to get to first base? lol... There was always bad assumptions, communications and intel if every operation we ever did. That was why there was so much training deaths and friendly fire incidents.
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Another so-so episode last night. As I said last week, there is a weekly "we're in a mess" storyline while slowly advancing the vaccine story.
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An entire episode where the crew waits around while the engineer tries to fix the engine. I think the producers greatly misunderstand what parts of their show actually appeal to the audience. Ain't nobody watching for the nuanced dramatic work. The show needs more stuff going boom right away.
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3 sails to pull the ship? What is the ship made out of, Balsa wood? Interesting technical episode with engine,water and electrical problems. Like the poster said above, lots of plot holes.. Good beach scene when the crew unwinds..Needed the Beach Boys to appear and sing a few beach songs..

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Needed the Beach Boys to appear and sing a few beach songs..
Needed Gilligan and Mary Anne to come wandering over the hill. The Professor could fix the ship's engine with some coconuts and palm fronds. After hearing about the deadly virus, the Skipper and Mr. Howell will convince the other castaways to stay on the island when the Navy leaves.
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This week's show was preposterous even by the biblically low standards of TV drama but I still enjoyed it. The consistently accurate portrayal of US Navy shipboard evolutions and nomenclature continues to impress me. Who would have thought the showrunners and writers of a fairly typical TV action show would even know that on US Navy ships the Chief Engineer's senior assistants are the Main Propulsion Assistant (MPA) and Damage Control Assistant (DCA)?
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I don't know how this tiny island had waterfalls, coconut tress and pineapples! They must have found the Lost island! I think smokie is already on the ship for next week..

So all the women in the crew seem to be very nice looking and they brought their bikinis for this destroyer ship thinking it was a cruise?

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I don't know how this tiny island had waterfalls, coconut tress and pineapples! They must have found the Lost island! I think smokie is already on the ship for next week..

So all the women in the crew seem to be very nice looking and they brought their bikinis for this destroyer ship thinking it was a cruise?
Just remember how many outfits the people on Gilligan's island had for a 3 hour tour. I guess a destroyer could carry more bikinis. Especially if they are going to the Arctic.
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Needed Gilligan and Mary Anne to come wandering over the hill. The Professor could fix the ship's engine with some coconuts and palm fronds. After hearing about the deadly virus, the Skipper and Mr. Howe will convince the other castaways to stay on the island when the Navy leaves.
That made me laugh.

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An entire episode where the crew waits around while the engineer tries to fix the engine. I think the producers greatly misunderstand what parts of their show actually appeal to the audience. Ain't nobody watching for the nuanced dramatic work. The show needs more stuff going boom right away.
So that is why, after
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I ended up alternating five minutes of the show and watching half an hour of the morning news, all of The Carbonaro Effect, all of Just Seen It, History Detectives Special Investigation: Glenn Miller, Frontline: Secrets of the Vatican, two televised sermons, several YouTube videos, and I still have another 22 minutes of air time to watch! At this rate, I'll end up watching the four Netflix discs I have at home (Twilight's Last Gleaming (1977 on DVD); The Equalizer: S1 DVD3 & DVD4; White House Down (2013 on Blu-ray)) before I finish this one episode!

Maybe I should save the episode as a cure for insomnia!

Hopefully next week the episode will do a bit better job of holding my attention.

In the 38 minutes of air time, what advanced the story could have been told in a minute or two.

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a 3 hour trip, a 3 hour trip..

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I predict!!!!

The crew spends some time on the island as the ship is repaired. When it's time to depart, there is a "mini-mutiny" of crew members wanting to stay. Finally, some are allowed to.

(I actually do not know this. It's a guess based on the book).

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This week's show was preposterous even by the biblically low standards of TV drama but I still enjoyed it. The consistently accurate portrayal of US Navy shipboard evolutions and nomenclature continues to impress me. Who would have thought the showrunners and writers of a fairly typical TV action show would even know that on US Navy ships the Chief Engineer's senior assistants are the Main Propulsion Assistant (MPA) and Damage Control Assistant (DCA)?
I agree, it just amazes me to see how they continue to get all of the Navy stuff correct. But at the risk of being called sexist, I have say having women on board a ship wouldn't work for me. Like to see them cross the equator and see how that works out for the female polliwogs.

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Did they mention why when they were 100 miles away from that island they did not use the helicopter to run water shuttles between the ship and the island?
My take is that water is unbelievably heavy, so it would've taken far too much fuel and power to deliver even a few thousand gallons of water. What are they gonna do? Fill up 700 Sparklett's bottles? Only 1000 gallons of water would weigh 8000 pounds, and I'm not sure if a helicopter could lift that much weight (even assuming they had the containers).

I like where the show is going in general, and I think they're doing a good job (except for a handful of really, really cheap & bad VFX shots, like the parachutes over the ship). For a cable show, it's not awful, and I think the level of acting is very good. Having a real ship for a lot of the exteriors helps a lot.

BTW, I believe the ship's main control room is a set, but they do an excellent job matching it to everything else in the show. And the cinematography is first-rate throughout. It ain't Breaking Bad or Mad Men, but for an action show, it's OK. And the ratings are very good so far.
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