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The good news: The good reverend is now $166,000 richer.

The bad news: He's now got a gambling problem.
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The good news: The good reverend is now $166,000 richer.

The bad news: He's now got a gambling problem.
It's not a problem if you have God picking bets for you.

Btw, would a casino really give you $160k in an envelope. Would they even take $20k in cash.

I actually think this third episode is the best so far. Focus on one character and follow through with an actual story. Unhinged and misguided as he is, the reverend is more sympathetic and interesting to me than the other characters whom I just want to yell "get over it already" at.

The episode reminds me of the Coen brothers' A Serious Man. Both invoke Job. In the Coen brothers movie, God either does not exist or does not intervene. Bad things happen, inexplicably. It's just one thing after another.

Lindelof is not the Coen brothers. Damn if I can tell what he's trying to say here. The title is Two Boats and a Helicopter. It refers to the old joke about the guy who refuses help from people because "god will provide" and ends up dying; when he gets to heaven and asks god why? God said who do you think sent the help. So god exists in this universe and does things.

But in the episode God is not just being helpful like Santa or testing the reverend like he does with Job . He seems to be actively screwing with him. Wife in coma, church goes under, but then 20k falls into his lap, he parlays it into $160k via divine signs, but he gets robbed, but he gets it back, but then he gets wacked and lies in coma for three days and loses the church anyway. Did he just misread the signs, imagine he saw signs where there were none. Is there a point to this other than Lindelof remembers reading about irony in English 101 and decides to throw some biblical stuff in?
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For your casino questions, yes to both. If you hit for 1mil and want it all in cash, they have to give you 1 mil in cash. Having worked for a casino, I have seen more than 20k in cash exchanged before (much more).


Remember this isn't Lideloofs story I didn't read the book so I don't know if these scenes were in there. Could have been a play on faith. Was it God playing a cruel joke, or was it just bad luck circumstances.

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Remember this isn't Lideloofs story I didn't read the book so I don't know if these scenes were in there. Could have been a play on faith. Was it God playing a cruel joke, or was it just bad luck circumstances.

It was a test and he failed. To save his church he had to Hurt(Saying that his sisters husband had an affair), Steal(Borrow), Gamble and Kill(or almost). He was not worthy.


I starting by the way to wonder if he didn't manage to break every commandment in one episode.
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For your casino questions, yes to both. If you hit for 1mil and want it all in cash, they have to give you 1 mil in cash. Having worked for a casino, I have seen more than 20k in cash exchanged before (much more).


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Really! Do casinos take credit cards? Can I charge max limit for chips then cash them in and get some free mileage points?
Unless things have changed since I last checked, the casinos don't take credit cards, but, as noted, they usually have ATMs. I believe there are rules prohibiting (or at least limiting) the use of credit cards for gambling purchases and debts. However, if you take a cash advance on one, there's nothing anyone can do to stop you.

As far as winnings, the casinos usually prefer to cut you a check - both to avoid shelling out that much of their on hand cash, but also for your safety. If you ask for cash, though, they have to provide it. They actually take care of all the tax business right then and there, though.
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What would he have picked if they were ravens or crows sitting on the red light?

What if he saw a sign for a "No Passing Zone"?
Because it was pigeons that were on that particular table in the first place. The red light because it changed to red right before he got to the intersection and the pigeons were on it.

But now he at least has $140k to pay his debts.

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The good news: The good reverend is now $166,000 richer.
It was $160k, but he put back the $20k seed money, leaving $140k.

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I'm bailing. Not only is there not a single character interesting to me, but I decided to search the book summary, and what's coming next just sounds to be either exasperating or boring.
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I'm bailing. Not only is there not a single character interesting to me, but I decided to search the book summary, and what's coming next just sounds to be either exasperating or boring.
I decided to leave after the last show. Same old, same old from Lindenlof. Mysteries in a blender. Shaken, not stirred.

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I canceled my season pass, but watched the last episode on HBO GO because I was on my iPad and bored. I actually found it entertaining. I think I viewed it more as a standalone episode with its own story to tell, so the wallowing around about the vanishing from 3 years ago wasn't as prevalent.

I'll keep watching in case future episodes follow the same format as this past one - but I still have the attitude that if they aren't going to address what caused the vanishing from 3 years earlier, then I don't want to watch them whining about it.
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I find them dealing less and less each week with them "whining" about it. Rather how they are trying to move forward from the event and get back to some type of normalcy.

There will be at least one more single character driven episode before the season ends. I kind of like the show. We deal with so many shows that would drag the disappearance out with hints about what happened etc. Instead here we deal very little with the actual disappearance and more with the fallout of what happens to the people leftover. This show was never about the mystery of what happened and since I
Knew that going in, it was easier for me to drop it.

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i don't get the point of the bullseye on the forehead and no shoes
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i don't get the point of the bullseye on the forehead and no shoes

I believe it was the mark of one of the "groups" that came together after disappearance. He said that they were "chosen ones" or something like that when he he was putting the circles on her head and told her to forget her shoes.


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It's one of the cults that has sprung up. Apparently a lot of people don't like interacting with the cults, so he felt that adopting their look made them "invisible."

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the "bodies" sprawled all over the road...
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It's one of the cults that has sprung up. Apparently a lot of people don't like interacting with the cults, so he felt that adopting their look made them "invisible."

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the "bodies" sprawled all over the road...

Not many of us left watching the show


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It's one of the cults that has sprung up. Apparently a lot of people don't like interacting with the cults, so he felt that adopting their look made them "invisible."

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the "bodies" sprawled all over the road...
From what I read on TiVo Community, those are fake bodies that people had made up like their loved ones that disappeared. So they could bury them.

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From what I read on TiVo Community, those are fake bodies that people had made up like their loved ones that disappeared. So they could bury them.

I'm wondering if someone is feeding book information there since that wasn't revealed in the show


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They did say in the show that people paid a bunch of money to have them shipped to be buried. Or something to that effect.

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They did say in the show that people paid a bunch of money to have them shipped to be buried. Or something to that effect.

Yes, but we would only guess that they were fake unless we knew. I'm just giving you a hard time because I know there is a book that this story is from (haven't read it).


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They did say in the show that people paid a bunch of money to have them shipped to be buried. Or something to that effect.

Yeah, I thought there was a TV commercial on in the background in this or a previous episode that advertised fake bodies for burial as a means of providing closure, or something to that effect.

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More generally, after watching 4 episodes of this series, I can’t see much sense to it.

It seems to me that for all these characters actions and attitudes to make sense, they pretty much have to believe that the great disappearance was The Rapture ([tm] some American Christian evangelicals, sometime in the early 19th century), and not only that, they have to have to come to that belief after the event, otherwise presumably they would have been Raptured themselves, and not among the leftovers.

But how would they come to this belief? Who would be left, post-Rapture, to preach Rapture theology? Since most mainstream religions don’t subscribe to Rapture theology, and presumably most mainstream clergy would be among the leftovers, we should expect that the remaining clergy would be among the most vocal denouncers of Rapture as an explanation of the disappearances.

And indeed, anyone who firmly believed in Rapture and did not disappear would be loudly denouncing that idea as well. And yet, in the third week, we got a whole episode dedicated to the supposedly lone voice crying out in the wilderness that this was not Rapture. Ridiculous!

All things considered, I think alien abduction or some similar theory would be far more likely to gain traction as an explanation of the disappearances than Rapture, and thus I think all the mopey dopey depressive nonsense depicted in the book and TV series is just that, utter nonsense.

I plan to watch episode 5 because that one was apparently distributed for preview and praised by critics, but I think that will be as far as I go with this absurdity.
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That's the point people don't know what happened. Was it the "Rapture" was it aliens? To think that only those subscribed to one of a few faiths know about the Rapture is a little narrow. The Rapture is well known and talked about, heck they even made a movie about it

Dealing with the unknown is part of the struggle. The closest thing we have currently is the Malaysian flight that disappeared. People can say it crashed all day long, but until there is proof no one really knows. Those families are living what we are watching basically since their loved ones "disappeared" and may never be found.


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At least the ratings have been decent. So hopefully it gets renewed for another season. This show was the entire reason I signed back up for HBO.

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'The Leftovers' Audience Climbing to 8 Million Viewers
By Michael O'Connell, The Hollywood Reporter's 'Live Feed' Blog - Jul. 22, 2014

Good news for The Leftovers: four weeks into its first season, the HBO drama is finding a stable audience — and quite a bit of growth across platforms.

Sunday's outing for the drama fetched 1.6 million viewers, its most-watched original telecast since the June 29 premiere. Though that number is certainly modest compared to many HBO dramas, including lead-in True Blood, it's not even a quarter of how many viewers The Leftovers is finding over the course of a week.

The first two episodes of The Leftovers are currently averaging more than 8 million viewers across all telecasts, HBO Go plays and On Demand. That's not far off from the gross viewership the most recent drama launch, True Detective, was averaging at the end of its run (11 million viewers).

True Blood remains a bit bigger — especially where live-plus-same day is concerned. The half-way point in the vampire drama's final season averaged 3.6 million viewers during its first-run telecast this past week. Across all platforms, its earning 10 million viewers every week.

Last Week Tonight With John Oliver is also proving to be just as solid without a comedy lead-in. The talk show pulled nearly 1 million viewers during its Sunday premiere, averaging 4 million viewers across plays during its freshman season.

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That's the point people don't know what happened. Was it the "Rapture" was it aliens? To think that only those subscribed to one of a few faiths know about the Rapture is a little narrow. The Rapture is well known and talked about, heck they even made a movie about it

How many languages has that movie been translated into do you think? Do you think it could be shown in Muslim theocracies? How much do you know about all the various minority sects of the world’s various religions?

Most of what I know about Rapture theology comes from googling I’ve done since I started watching this show. That’s why I say that if you put yourself in the mind of a believer, and then further extrapolate that said believer might presume a wider understanding of this doctrine than is warranted – which is, I think, exactly what you are doing in this post – then you can sort of see some sense in the show. But once you examine it carefully, and take away that false presumption of widespread understanding, it doesn’t make much sense at all.

At the very least, I think the idea that Rapture would be still be a subject of debate three years out is ridiculous. A hundred years ago, maybe, or maybe even 10 or 20 years ago, before the twitterverse and the blogosphere,. But in today’s wired world, a global consensus would probably be reached in weeks, if not days or hours, as to whether the disappeared were those and only those who believed in Rapture, or whether they did or did not correlate with some other religious belief system. There are, imo, enough stats cited in the first episode to suggest that the global consensus on the disappearances as depicted would quickly discredit Rapture as a viable theory.


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Dealing with the unknown is part of the struggle. The closest thing we have currently is the Malaysian flight that disappeared. People can say it crashed all day long, but until there is proof no one really knows. Those families are living what we are watching basically since their loved ones "disappeared" and may never be found.

Not even close. Those people were on a plane that disappeared from radar, which happens all the time. We know more or less where they should have been flying at the time they ran out of fuel. It’s true we can’t 100% rule out alien abduction unless/until the wreckage is found, but we don’t need any exotic theories like alien abduction or Rapture to make sense of what happened.
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As far as the movie goes it was a lighthearted comment to show that Hollywood has covered it (poorly). It was not a serious example this the wink at the end.

Well maybe I'm more studied then some. Religion as always fascinated me. I took multiple classes in college about world religions and was already aware of most of the Christian and Catholic beliefs. I am not blind when it comes to religion and didn't need googleor the movie to learn/know about the rapture.

I never once thought Rapture, as that would probably be depicted differently. Aliens/scientific experiment/paranormal sure, but I don't fixate on that since the mystery of what happened isn't what the show is about.

I'm not sure how you extrapolated that my example of the planes disappearance was related in anyway to a rapture type event. I'm not fixated on that. The example was purely based on sudden disappearance of loved ones without concrete answers of what happened nor wreckage/bodies to recover and prove what happened.



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Wife and I are both enjoying this show. When the chief's car shut off, the first thing I thought of is that he must have ignored his GM recall notice.
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