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POLDARK on PBS

Watched the 1st 2 episodes. Being a fan of the original, I was prepared to dislike the new cast as just pretty faces but Ross and his loves were decent. I think that several of the secondary characters weren't as well acted as they were the old show. The biggest deficiency is that the story line is too compressed with far fewer episodes. The scenery is excellent in HDTV. The NETFLIX stream of the original has horrible picture quality.
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I don't recall watching the original but I really liked the first two episodes of this remake. For some reason the title makes me think of Poldark and handsome.
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I watched the first two episodes from PBS. 'Sort of like' Downton, but different. It was very well done. I'm not usually a fan of historical dramas. But BBC1 did this one right.

So I watched the rest of the episodes (from the BBC1), and it was well worth watching. Unless you can't stand to see a lot of suffering. But 1760's UK was not utopia.

No spoilers for US watchers.

From a technical standpoint, I was impressed with how they made Demelza look like she had no female breasts. In every side view, she could have been a boy. I had to go to IMDB to see she is a normal woman. Kudos to those who did that.
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What impresses me as much as anything else is the excellent picture quality. As Downton Abby is sometimes overly dark and colors subdued, Poldark is breathtakingly beautiful, bright colorful scenes with gorgeous scenery, almost like one was there. Now my local PBS does have quite good 1080i HD but this is some of the best I've seen, kudos to whoever shot this and the cameras used. Wonder if it could have been shot in 4K.....
Grittree, I agree with you about how Demelza looks in this show but why would they have done that, I'm confused
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I agree with you about how Demelza looks in this show but why would they have done that, I'm confused
I don't know either. I assume the producers or directors decided on that to keep the focus on other things. Even Elizabeth never looked "sexy". Even the hookers were subdued. Maybe because this wasn't aimed at the American audience which needs to be tittilated.
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What impresses me as much as anything else is the excellent picture quality. As Downton Abby is sometimes overly dark and colors subdued, Poldark is breathtakingly beautiful, bright colorful scenes with gorgeous scenery, almost like one was there. Now my local PBS does have quite good 1080i HD but this is some of the best I've seen, kudos to whoever shot this and the cameras used. Wonder if it could have been shot in 4K.....
Grittree, I agree with you about how Demelza looks in this show but why would they have done that, I'm confused
Both Downton and Poldark are shot on Arri Alexa, so it's likely to be creative decisions rather than technical limitations that make them look so different. Poldark looked cracking on BBC One HD in the UK.

For fans of the original series, keep an eye out for the original Poldark. In a very classy touch, they cast him (Robin Ellis) in another role.
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Both Downton and Poldark are shot on Arri Alexa, so it's likely to be creative decisions rather than technical limitations that make them look so different. Poldark looked cracking on BBC One HD in the UK.
Thanks for commenting sneals2000, I was hoping you'd watch this show and see my post. Yes I suppose it's just a creative thing but personally I'm a fan of shooting things at their best(in my opinion) and not dialing them down but it is what it is. I still like Downton a lot but for me the picture quality doesn't add a lot as where on Poldark it's almost center stage, for me at least
I'm just happy were getting so many UK programs so close to OAD, where in the past we were generally behind a few(or more) years.

Sneals2000, not to get too OT in this thread but do you get The Doctor Blake Mysteries in the UK? Our PBS is currently airing the first(2013) series and it's the only airing of a recent Australian program I'm aware of. I miss the scenery of places like Yorkshire or Cornwall and I'm not so keen on the Australian accent(at one time I couldn't tell the difference between a English and Australian accent but now it's night and day) but I am enjoying it. The only other real airing of a Australian show I can think of is a girls program about mermaids my kids use to watch a few years back. Anyway Dr. Blake is shot similar to Downton, darker darks and subdued colors, again probably a creative decision as apposed to equipment used.
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I watched the first two episodes from PBS. 'Sort of like' Downton, but different. It was very well done. I'm not usually a fan of historical dramas. But BBC1 did this one right.

So I watched the rest of the episodes (from the BBC1), and it was well worth watching. Unless you can't stand to see a lot of suffering. But 1760's UK was not utopia.

No spoilers for US watchers.

From a technical standpoint, I was impressed with how they made Demelza look like she had no female breasts. In every side view, she could have been a boy. I had to go to IMDB to see she is a normal woman. Kudos to those who did that.
Don't forget that when we first meet Demelza she has disguised herself as a boy. Having a boyish figure would certainly go a long way to help pull that off. I'm not familiar with Eleanor Tomlinson and have no idea what kind of shape she has, but at least in the early going the dresses she has been given to wear are less than flattering. I'm a big fan of the original and so far I like what I'm seeing for the most part. The three leads are very good and the only actor that I feel is miscast is the guy playing cousin Francis. I'm hoping that this time around they get to do all the books in the Poldark series, which is something the original didn't come close to achieving.
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Thanks for commenting sneals2000, I was hoping you'd watch this show and see my post. Yes I suppose it's just a creative thing but personally I'm a fan of shooting things at their best(in my opinion) and not dialing them down but it is what it is. I still like Downton a lot but for me the picture quality doesn't add a lot as where on Poldark it's almost center stage, for me at least
I'm just happy were getting so many UK programs so close to OAD, where in the past we were generally behind a few(or more) years.

Sneals2000, not to get too OT in this thread but do you get The Doctor Blake Mysteries in the UK?
Yes - the BBC have an afternoon drama slot which carries a couple of homegrown series (Doctors, Land Girls, Father Brown, The Afternoon Play) and also shows like The Doctor Blake Mysteries. The lead actor in Doctor Blake was an actor in an Australian soap (Neighbours) which was very big in the UK, and then moved here to star in a couple of UK series. I quite enjoy it.
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Our PBS is currently airing the first(2013) series and it's the only airing of a recent Australian program I'm aware of.
We get a lot of Aussie shows in the UK. We share quite a similar cultural heritage - and most of us Brits have no real issues with the Aussie accent.

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I miss the scenery of places like Yorkshire or Cornwall and I'm not so keen on the Australian accent(at one time I couldn't tell the difference between a English and Australian accent but now it's night and day) but I am enjoying it. The only other real airing of a Australian show I can think of is a girls program about mermaids my kids use to watch a few years back. Anyway Dr. Blake is shot similar to Downton, darker darks and subdued colors, again probably a creative decision as apposed to equipment used.
I think there is a 'period' look which many shows use to avoid looking 'present day' - but Poldark is so set in the Cornish countryside they couldn't grade it for dark and gloomy, and decided to go for warm and sunny, with lush countryside shots popping. It got a lot of favourable comments for avoiding the trend of gloominess.
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Yes - the BBC have an afternoon drama slot which carries a couple of homegrown series (Doctors, Land Girls, Father Brown, The Afternoon Play) and also shows like The Doctor Blake Mysteries.
This Saturday evening PBS is running the Father Brown series 1 (2013). With series 2 and 3 in the can I can see this being a long run on PBS.
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This Saturday evening PBS is running the Father Brown series 1 (2013). With series 2 and 3 in the can I can see this being a long run on PBS.
My local PBS is currently airing series 3(314 this week) on Friday nights. I do like FB and have been watching since series 1 but consider it more fluff than many of the other UK programming I watch. I'm always amazed how such a small town has so many murders
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My local PBS is currently airing series 3(314 this week) on Friday nights. I do like FB and have been watching since series 1 but consider it more fluff than many of the other UK programming I watch. I'm always amazed how such a small town has so many murders
Yep - it's worth remembering that Father Brown airs at 2.15pm on BBC One. It's very daytime here, both in content and budget. Most of the other UK shows you get are prime time shows - Downton, Poldark etc. - that are broadcast much later, and have far higher budgets.

Series 4 is apparently filming this summer.
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Just found out that Angharad Rees, Demelza from the 70s version passed away in 2013 at age 68

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WOW, thats all I can say! What an epic 2hr finale, they put enough in that episode for almost a whole season of a program. Sad that it will be almost another year before the next season comes out(which it sounds like it will) and I hope we get the new one as soon after OAD that we did on season 1.
Gorgeous scenery, great acting and wonderful camera work, what more can you ask for. I did wish that his "twirpy" cousin would have met his maker during the epidemic but maybe he'll change his ways.....I also am hoping the scummy guy with bad teeth that used to work on Poldark's farm(that got fired along with his wife) perished on the beach while pillaging the ship but I don't believe they said.
Again Kudos to all in charge of the production of this show, it didn't/doesn't get nearly the press as something like Downton but heres hoping it will catch on and in a big way.

I'd even like it if PBS aired the original Poldark, I'm sure it would seem dated, like the original Upstairs Downstairs does to Downton but it would still be interesting to see. Wonder if it's streamed anywhere or if Acorn ever has it available....
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I really enjoyed Season 1 of Poldark. I thought the last episode was particularly well done, always exciting and sometimes overwhelmingly sad. Not many TV shows manage to move me but this week's final episode managed it a couple of times. The only downside is that the Warleggans are so hateful, I have a hard time watching scenes with them. I don't like Poldark's undisciplined, treacherous cousin Francis much either but at least he is showing signs that he may redeem himself as time goes on.
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WOW, thats all I can say! What an epic 2hr finale, they put enough in that episode for almost a whole season of a program. Sad that it will be almost another year before the next season comes out(which it sounds like it will) and I hope we get the new one as soon after OAD that we did on season 1.
Gorgeous scenery, great acting and wonderful camera work, what more can you ask for. I did wish that his "twirpy" cousin would have met his maker during the epidemic but maybe he'll change his ways.....I also am hoping the scummy guy with bad teeth that used to work on Poldark's farm(that got fired along with his wife) perished on the beach while pillaging the ship but I don't believe they said.
Again Kudos to all in charge of the production of this show, it didn't/doesn't get nearly the press as something like Downton but heres hoping it will catch on and in a big way.

I'd even like it if PBS aired the original Poldark, I'm sure it would seem dated, like the original Upstairs Downstairs does to Downton but it would still be interesting to see. Wonder if it's streamed anywhere or if Acorn ever has it available....
The original is available only on disc from Netflix no streaming from them. Amazon Prime has it to stream but it doesn't look like it's free for Prime members. Acorn which put out the series on DVD has a streaming service that's free for the first thirty days. I tried to browse their show titles but the site won't open I get the message that the connection is not secure. I did get the first two discs from Netflix and though it does look dated and stagey, Robin Ellis and the late Angharad Rees are still very good.
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Finally managed to get on Acorn Tv site and the original Poldark is up for streaming.
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I never saw the earlier version but this new production is great TV. Speaking of the Warleggan's, when the older one is on camera I can't help think that Pip Torrens reminds me a bit of Hugh Laurie.

Francis' spilling the beans as to the shareholders seemed a bit forced to me. After all in the previous episode Francis became aware that the Warleggan crony who constantly beat him at the card table was actually a card cheat. Knowing that, the entire Warleggan group should have been persona non grata at Poldark manor.
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Francis' spilling the beans as to the shareholders seemed a bit forced to me. After all in the previous episode Francis became aware that the Warleggan crony who constantly beat him at the card table was actually a card cheat. Knowing that, the entire Warleggan group should have been persona non grata at Poldark manor.
I was convinced by Francis's treachery in revealing to the Warleggans the identities of Poldark's investors. Francis's emotionalism and anger management issues make him his own worst enemy, so I thought his decision to betray Poldark after he thought that Poldark had facilitated Verity's elopement with Captain Henshawe made sense, the Warleggan's connection to the card cheating incident notwithstanding.
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I loved it and am looking forward to season two. For those that have Acorn, is it worth it and is there a good selection of shows? I love British TV but no one that I know has this service.

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I don't know first hand as my ISP is only ~1M and I'm afraid it might not work well enough but I do have a Brit friend who really loves Acorn. They have satellite TV and tons of channels, including BBCA but tend to watch Acorn more than all others combined.
For only $4.99/month it's really a no brainier for anyone interested in British TV, you can also get a years worth for $50 which is what I'll do if fiber ever makes it to my neighborhood. Having access to the whole original Poldark series would be worth it to me alone, not to mention all the other good shows they seem to have.
For anyone not familiar with Acorn it's a website that only has British TV programming and I believe they suggest at least 1.6M to be able to reliably stream from them.
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I don't know first hand as my ISP is only ~1M and I'm afraid it might not work well enough but I do have a Brit friend who really loves Acorn. They have satellite TV and tons of channels, including BBCA but tend to watch Acorn more than all others combined.
For only $4.99/month it's really a no brainier for anyone interested in British TV, you can also get a years worth for $50 which is what I'll do if fiber ever makes it to my neighborhood. Having access to the whole original Poldark series would be worth it to me alone, not to mention all the other good shows they seem to have.
For anyone not familiar with Acorn it's a website that only has British TV programming and I believe they suggest at least 1.6M to be able to reliably stream from them.
https://acorn.tv/featured
Is that 1.6mbps a minimum? Free Hulu recordings are about 2.3mbps and not very good quality. Standard DVD is close to 5mbps; Amazon "HD" titles yield a bit over 3mbps but are surprisingly decent quality.

If quality is adequate Acorn could be my solution for Insp. Morse - I have all the Lewis and Endeavor but only 4 or 5 Morse. MI-5 would seal the deal for me but I don't see that in their catalog...

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MI-5 would seal the deal for me but I don't see that in their catalog...
In the UK it is titled Spooks.
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In the UK it is titled Spooks.
Yes - Spooks was re-titled MI:5 for the US market due to language differences between the two countries.

However I don't think Acorn carry it.

Spooks, like Humans, was made by Kudos, which is now part of Shine Group, which is part of 21st Century Fox (formerly News International), and I suspect the rights to their shows are handled differently to some others?

In the UK, Spooks is available on Netflix, but that may be a UK-specific deal as Netflix UK and Netflix US have different line-ups.
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Is that 1.6mbps a minimum? Free Hulu recordings are about 2.3mbps and not very good quality. Standard DVD is close to 5mbps; Amazon "HD" titles yield a bit over 3mbps but are surprisingly decent quality......
My guess is the 1.6M is a bare minimum, I would think you'd get better picture quality with a faster than minimum speed. I too would be interested to see what the maximum quality would be and what download speed would be required to achieve it. To me shows like Poldark, Lewis or even Endeavor picture quality is a major selling point, I wouldn't be nearly as happy if they were SD quality. Other shows like the original Morse or similar SD 16:9 or even 4:3 would probably look similar on Acorn as they do on my local 1080i PBS channel.
An interesting airing we've been getting lately is the old Agatha Cristy's Miss Marple which when aired was analogue SD but the version we are getting is HD(still 4:3) and I imagine must have been remastered from the original film(35mm??) and looks quite smashing. If Acorn had this series I wonder if it would be from the HD master or the old SD stock....
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An interesting airing we've been getting lately is the old Agatha Cristy's Miss Marple which when aired was analogue SD but the version we are getting is HD(still 4:3) and I imagine must have been remastered from the original film(35mm??) and looks quite smashing. If Acorn had this series I wonder if it would be from the HD master or the old SD stock....
Yes. All of the BBC Miss Marple series, with Joan Hickson playing Marple, have been remastered in HD. They were shot on 16mm though, not 35mm. The BBC very rarely shot on 35mm film once they switched to colour. (An exception is the very early colour factual series "Civilisation") Almost everything the BBC shot on location, whether drama or factual, was 16mm film or videotape. (The BBC shot quite a lot of location drama on video in the 80s)

http://www.bbcstudiosandpostproducti...g/miss-marple/

The BBC is remastering quite a lot of its 16mm drama archive. I believe the original "House of Cards" has also been remastered for a US Blu-ray release.

http://www.definitionmagazine.com/jo...stered-fo.html

The BBC Studios and Post Production team based at the BBC Archives have a lot of expertise in remastering archive content, and do a fantastic job.

They have also remastered a few of the David Attenborough Natural History Series shot on 16mm film, like Trials of Life, Life on Earth etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ariel/22399776 (Ariel was the BBC in-house magazine for staff, now no longer in print and instead available online for all to read)

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Is that 1.6mbps a minimum? Free Hulu recordings are about 2.3mbps and not very good quality. Standard DVD is close to 5mbps; Amazon "HD" titles yield a bit over 3mbps but are surprisingly decent quality.
Though you can't compare DVD bitrates to online streaming services bitrates directly as DVD uses MPEG2, and almost all streaming services will use H264 (aka MPEG4 Pt 10/AVC). H264 is a lot more efficient than DVD, so delivers higher quality for a given bitrate, or the same quality at a much lower bitrate. Rough rule of thumb is 2:1 in H264's favour, though it can do better if you are comparing it with a poor DVD encoder, and vice versa. So on average a 5Mbs MPEG2 stream should look roughly the same as a 2.5Mbs H264 stream. Lots of other things can play a part in this though (quality of mastering encoder, whether two pass encoding is used etc.)

Also, the quality of the sources you are mastering from play a big part in determining picture quality. If you start with noisy, edge-enhanced content it will look worse for a given bitrate, or require a higher bitrate for the same quality, than a clean, noise-free master.

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As tempting as Acorn TV would otherwise be, I'll have to pass because neither my TiVo nor Apple TV has a builtin client for Acorn. Even with mirroring to the Apple TV, having to load programming on my iPhone or iPad before mirroring it to Apple TV and my display is more of a hassle than I want. I have to do that now with Showtime Anytime and MaxGo (Cinemax). I don't like to do that, so I seldom stream anything from either Showtime or Cinemax. In stark contrast, there is an HBO Go client builtin to my Apple TV so I watch quite a few HBO shows via streaming.
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As tempting as Acorn TV would otherwise be, I'll have to pass because neither my TiVo nor Apple TV has a builtin client for Acorn. Even with mirroring to the Apple TV, having to load programming on my iPhone or iPad before mirroring it to Apple TV and my display is more of a hassle than I want. I have to do that now with Showtime Anytime and MaxGo (Cinemax). I don't like to do that, so I seldom stream anything from either Showtime or Cinemax. In stark contrast, there is an HBO Go client builtin to my Apple TV so I watch quite a few HBO shows via streaming.
I know what you mean. However I got so bored waiting for apps for some services I've got a small Windows/Linux PC with a small RF keyboard connected to my TV. I can boot into Windows (trialling 10 at the moment) or OpenElec running Kodi. Solves pretty much every streaming issue!
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