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"Shooter" on USA

The show premiered last night. I've seen the movie, so I more or less knew what to expect, but it was still compelling enough to keep watching, in my opinion.

here's the show's blurb from the USA website http://www.usanetwork.com/shooter:

SHOOTER, a drama based on the best-selling Bob Lee Swagger novel by Stephen Hunter, Point of Impact, and the 2007 Paramount film starring Mark Wahlberg.  The co-production with Paramount Television and Universal Cable Productions comes from executive producers Wahlberg (“Ballers,” “Boardwalk Empire”) of Closest to the Hole Productions; Stephen Levinson (“Ballers,” “Boardwalk Empire”) of Leverage Entertainment; and Lorenzo di Bonaventura ("Transformers," "The Real O'Neals").  John Hlavin (“The Shield”) wrote the pilot and will also executive produce.  Simon Cellan Jones (“Bloodline”) directed the pilot.
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The show premiered last night. I've seen the movie, so I more or less knew what to expect, but it was still compelling enough to keep watching, in my opinion.

here's the show's blurb from the USA website http://www.usanetwork.com/shooter:

SHOOTER, a drama based on the best-selling Bob Lee Swagger novel by Stephen Hunter, Point of Impact, and the 2007 Paramount film starring Mark Wahlberg.  The co-production with Paramount Television and Universal Cable Productions comes from executive producers Wahlberg (“Ballers,” “Boardwalk Empire”) of Closest to the Hole Productions; Stephen Levinson (“Ballers,” “Boardwalk Empire”) of Leverage Entertainment; and Lorenzo di Bonaventura ("Transformers," "The Real O'Neals").  John Hlavin (“The Shield”) wrote the pilot and will also executive produce.  Simon Cellan Jones (“Bloodline”) directed the pilot.
I thought the first episode was really good and cant wait for more.
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Watched it and liked it. Will tune in next week.
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Two BIG thumbs up here.
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I thought I thought the movie was good and the first episode of this was also good but I'm not sure what they can add going forward.

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I thought I thought the movie was good and the first episode of this was also good but I'm not sure what they can add going forward.
Same here,really liked the show but wonder how they are going to keep the interest up.It would get old pretty quick if they're still chasing Ole Bob the Nailer every episode for how ever long the show lasts. But I'm in for the duration

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It'll turn in to a version of The Fugitive.

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And so the hunt begins

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I'm liking it so far. Hide and seek is a proven formula. Never gets old.
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I am liking the show as well. At times, predictable but a lot of fun. It was nice to see the background on the relationship between Bob Lee and Isaac on this last episode and the fight scene on Memphis' apartment was good as well. I am looking forward each week to this show. With shows winding down for the year, is a good option to have.
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Don't they have anyone familiar with the ballistics of bullets working on a show about a sniper?

The through the scope shots are so incorrect it's super eye roll bad. Bob Lee is shooting at a target 1550 yards away, misses by several feet, makes no apparently adjustments to the scope shoots again, with the crosshair in the exact same place and gets a different but closer result, finally takes one more shot with the crosshairs in the exact same spot as the last two shots still not having made any adjustments and finally hits the target. If he's not adjusting the scope between shot dialing in corrections he needs to be moving the crosshairs to compensate for it not being dialed in. Nevermind he was told it's dialed in when it was handed to him.

Of course that eye-roller pales compared to him shooting a running target at distance, not leading the guy any and hitting him. Unless he happened to know he'd be shooting someone at that distance and they'd be running a certain speed the scope wouldn't be dialed in (ignoring wind & weather) to line up with the crosshair on top. It's almost as bad as the Elementary episode a few weeks ago where someone shoots (from the ground) a base jumper in free fall without leading the person and hitting them.

Then we have the bullets that are so special only 4 guns in the world are strong enough to shoot them (in this episode), but Bob Lee fired one out his standard ol' "sniper rifle" after recovering it from the police cruiser a few episodes ago without any issue.

Finally, the improved "perfect" polymer coated bullet Mr. Fichtner makes breaks apart and disappears leaving no trace? Wait, what?!?!? It goes through the target undamaged and then breaks apart? Or, it breaks apart leaving no trace in the person? How's that work again?
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That's as bad as on Designated Survivor where the sniper slaps together a rifle and mounts the scope and fires out the window at a target I estimated about 300 yards away. Since it was last episode before winter break, we don't know what he may have hit.

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That's as bad as on Designated Survivor where the sniper slaps together a rifle and mounts the scope and fires out the window at a target I estimated about 300 yards away. Since it was last episode before winter break, we don't know what he may have hit.
Did they hang the tip of the barrel out of the window giving away their position too?

Edit: Of course they did!

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Did they hang the tip of the barrel out of the window giving away their position too?

Edit: Of course they did!

And rested the barrel on the window!
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So I'm a little confused about part of the season finale. Why did the Russian Ambassador help Bob Lee? He seemed to recognize him, not be concerned, and immediately told him where his daughter was.

Seems like they retcon'd the first season at the very end by making it appear it was all part of an elaborate very high level plan to get rid of a some bad actors. But, the viewer is left to wonder who all was in on it.
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Good point. Was that really Beverly D'Angelo, looked like she had a face lift from her feet. Had to look hard to recognize her.
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I have read all of the Hunter Schwagger novels and I really liked this series and much more then the movie. In the novels Sam Vincent was his Arkansas lawyer and Memphis was his male FBI buddy. Point of Impact and perhaps Time to Hunt are the best of the series. If I were starting up with the series I would read at least the 1st half of Time to Hunt as it tells of Bob's Vietnam exploits before reading them in the written order. The novels about his father are really good too. "Hot Springs" is really good. If I introduce a friend to these Hunter novels I always start them out with Hot Springs. If you don't like this one the series is not for you. Caution: These novels are not exactly the material you discuss in detail with your better half.
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Big fan of the show. One thing though that bothered me was Ryan Phillippe's beard. Maybe I am too influenced by other theatrical productions but isn't the first thing one does when on the run is to alter their appearance. The beard should have been the first thing to go. I think ego might have gotten in the way.
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Big fan of the show. One thing though that bothered me was Ryan Phillippe's beard. Maybe I am too influenced by other theatrical productions but isn't the first thing one does when on the run is to alter their appearance. The beard should have been the first thing to go. I think ego might have gotten in the way.
That and change his hair color. He basically made no real effort to disguise his appearance, which seemed odd to me.
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So I'm a little confused about part of the season finale. Why did the Russian Ambassador help Bob Lee? He seemed to recognize him, not be concerned, and immediately told him where his daughter was.

Seems like they retcon'd the first season at the very end by making it appear it was all part of an elaborate very high level plan to get rid of a some bad actors. But, the viewer is left to wonder who all was in on it.
I think the Russian ambassador wanted the mess to go away and for it to not splash back on him. Helping Swagger was his preferred way out.

Yes, at the end it seemed that Isaac was in on a higher plot the whole time. Seemed a bit far fetched there. Now there will be a second season. I would have preferred a clean ending, but maybe they can make it interesting without putting Swagger's family in danger.
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I have read all of the Hunter Schwagger novels and I really liked this series and much more then the movie. In the novels Sam Vincent was his Arkansas lawyer and Memphis was his male FBI buddy. Point of Impact and perhaps Time to Hunt are the best of the series. If I were starting up with the series I would read at least the 1st half of Time to Hunt as it tells of Bob's Vietnam exploits before reading them in the written order. The novels about his father are really good too. "Hot Springs" is really good. If I introduce a friend to these Hunter novels I always start them out with Hot Springs. If you don't like this one the series is not for you. Caution: These novels are not exactly the material you discuss in detail with your better half.
I have read most of the Stephen Hunter books and enjoyed the earlier ones the most. I find myself constantly reconciling the character names and places from the books, the Shooter movie, and the series. Also enjoyed "Dirty White Boys," which is loosely connected with the Swaggers.

BTW - I loved it in the episode where the daughter calls Bob Lee "Pork." Kid has some sass!
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A reminder: Shooter season 2 starts tonight!!

Also, Ryan Phillippe hurt his leg before they could start the 10th and final episode of S2, no word yet on what that means for the show.

Some details here: https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/...oter-season-2/
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Just finished Shooter season 1 on Netflix. Interesting variation on the movie. Hopefully season 2 will feature less of his family being used as a pawn.

Ryan Phillippe did not hurt his leg, he broke it badly requiring surgery. It occurred on a family outing, not while doing stunts on the show.


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I really like Steven Hunter's Swagger books. In fact, I like all of his stuff. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 2003 for his Washington Post film criticism. In a review of Black Hawk Down (2001), entitled Shock Troops. Hunter wrote what to me is the most succinct, and chilling, explanation of the lessons soldiers on the ground learn about combat:
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With that off my chest, let me add that last season's Shooter was one of my more pleasant TV surprises. In fact I watched every episode again recently in preparation for the beginning of Season 2. I think it is off to a good start.

I was glad to see Beverly D'Angelo as a shadowy Washington operator and power broker. I agree that she has had a lot of work done. It seemed more or less successful to me, except she no longer looks like she did pre surgery (or surgeries).

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From the season previews, it appears the family will be in danger again. Not much interested to see the standard formula of bad guy abducting the adorable little girl and threatening the pretty devoted wife.
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The first episode got off with a bang. It will be interesting to see where it is going.
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There was a deadline story in
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Sources said that there is a natural story point in episode 208 that works as a season finale, and, while this was not the original plan, the producers, network and studio are happy with the way the Season 2 story would wrap.
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The producers, network and studio are happy with the way the Season 2 story would wrap? Oh really?!?!? Did they actually watch the season? It ended on a horribly disjointed note without wrapping up any of the open plot lines. At least a conventional cliffhanger finale builds to that cliffhanging point and closes most of the open plot lines except for the one. Season 2 of Shooter ended like they chopped a midseason 2 hour length episode in half.
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^^^^ Did you read the post ahead of your's ? It was a short season because of "Bob Lee's " broken leg.

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^^^^ Did you read the post ahead of your's ? It was a short season because of "Bob Lee's " broken leg.
Yes, I read it and responded directly to it. I even quoted part of it in my post. I know why it was short. I was openly mocking that "the producers, network and studio are happy with the way the Season 2 story would wrap." They clearly didn't watch it.
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