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Here it is !

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Way to go Ricko, great find!

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Here's some of it...

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The decision to begin the transition to the high-definition format — which provides an exceptionally sharp image rivaling a motion picture's, a wide-screen format similar to that of a movie screen, and multichannel digital sound — was revealed in a letter from Peter Chernin, president of the News Corporation, to W. Kenneth Ferree, the chief of the F.C.C.'s media bureau.
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The transition to high-definition TV will require Fox to change all its digital equipment at the network and its 182 local affiliates. In his letter to the F.C.C., Mr. Chernin pledged to have the job done by the fall of 2004. The company declined to say which programs it would transmit in high-definition. It said that it hoped to broadcast HDTV either later this year or early in 2004.
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For its high-definition broadcasts, the network will use a 720p transmission, the same as that used by ABC. Proponents say this format, which sends a complete picture 60 times a second, does a better job of reproducing the fast movements of sports.
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Early this month, Fox announced that it would offer local National Basketball Association, National Hockey League and Major League Baseball games in HDTV to Time Warner Cable subscribers. The company said that it expected to announce similar agreements with other cable companies, which would lead to the production of 200 events, or 500 hours of high-definition programming. "News Corporation is committed to becoming a leader in the production of high-definition programming on broadcast and cable television," Mr. Chernin stated in his letter.
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Fox's decision to embrace HDTV will help overcome the problems that have prevented high-definition digital television from being more widely used, said Gary Shapiro, the president and chief executive of the Consumer Electronics Association, a trade group representing electronics manufacturers. "This is another `tipping point' to help reach the inevitable widespread adoption of HDTV."

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This is good news indeed! I hope 24 is one of the shows they convert to HDTV. I'm still under the "I'll believe it when I see it" phase, but it's nice to see an effort to finally get FOX to use HDTV. It looks like FOX is going to use 720p like ABC.

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Thanks Ken !

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For those who don't subscribe to the Times:

Excerpted from the New York Times

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Fox Television to Add HDTV to Primetime by Fall 2004
By ERIC A. TAUB


LOS ANGELES, June 24, 2003
The Fox Television Network, which previously shunned high-definition broadcasting, plans to transmit at least 50 percent of its prime-time schedule in HDTV by the season that begins in the fall of 2004, a company official told federal regulators today.

The move brings the network into line with its three main broadcast competitors, which already transmit the bulk of their prime-time dramas and comedies in HDTV, the highest available quality of digital television, or will do so shortly.

Fox, owned by the News Corporation, tempered its pledge by stating that it was unhappy about introducing HDTV, however, before the adoption of a "broadcast flag" agreement aimed at protecting those programs from piracy.

Under a proposal being considered by the Federal Communications Commission, digitally transmitted programs, which would include HDTV, would be embedded with a broadcast flag which could be used to prevent retransmission over the Internet. Consumers, however, would still be able to make copies for personal use. The agency has not indicated when it will rule on the issue.

The decision to begin the transition to the high-definition format was revealed in a letter from Peter Chernin, president of the News Corporation, to W. Kenneth Ferree, the chief of the F.C.C.'s media bureau.

Josh Bernoff, principal analyst for Forrester Research was quoted as saying "This is a significant development, a sign that the acceptance of HDTV is accelerating."

The transition to high-definition TV will require Fox to change all its digital equipment at the network and its 182 local affiliates. In his letter to the F.C.C., Mr. Chernin pledged to have the job done by the fall of 2004. The company declined to say which programs it would transmit in high-definition. It said that it hoped to broadcast HDTV either later this year or early in 2004.

For its high-definition broadcasts, the network will use a 720p transmission, the same as that used by ABC.

Currently, only 20 percent of the nation's digital broadcast channels are carried by cable TV operators. So, to see the broadcast networks' high-definition offerings, viewers must often erect an outdoor antenna or use rabbit ears, but only 6 percent of digital set owners have done so, according to Mr. Bernoff of Forrester Research. The problem, according to the cable industry, is that many of the broadcasters' digital channels are not showing high-definition programming, so there is little impetus for cable to offer them.

"With Fox's embrace of HDTV, the company should now be able to strike carriage deals with cable operators for its digital broadcasts," Mr. Bernoff said.

Early this month, Fox announced that it would offer local National Basketball Association, National Hockey League and Major League Baseball games in HDTV to Time Warner Cable subscribers. The company said that it expected to announce similar agreements with other cable companies, which would lead to the production of 200 events, or 500 hours of high-definition programming. "News Corporation is committed to becoming a leader in the production of high-definition programming on broadcast and cable television," Mr. Chernin stated in his letter.

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A key point:

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In his letter to the F.C.C., Mr. Chernin pledged to have the job done by the fall of 2004. The company declined to say which programs it would transmit in high-definition. It said that it hoped to broadcast HDTV either later this year or early in 2004.
It appears we'll see some HD from Fox in the next 5 months. What a dramatic turn of events.

Anyone that has doubts about HDTV better rethink their position.

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You better believe it! In fact I think FOX will do their main markets first thing.
So 5 months is possible... maybe even sooner then that !

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This development bodes quite well for 720p, in that the hardware market now has even more sales potential, and we'll have a chance to see ABC & Fox go toe to toe in the same HD format.

It's all good.

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So, I wonder if there is any chance that Fox could be part of the NFL Sunday Ticket in HD this fall??!?? Now that would be great!

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For its high-definition broadcasts, the network will use a 720p transmission, the same as that used by ABC. Proponents say this format, which sends a complete picture 60 times a second, does a better job of reproducing the fast movements of sports.
We'll most definitely see more football in HDTV!

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Weehooo - now to deal with the Sinclair factor ;)
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So, I wonder if there is any chance that Fox could be part of the NFL Sunday Ticket in HD this fall??!?? Now that would be great!
Where have I heard this before? Now I remember, it was me.

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I said either they were banking on CBS or didn't know that Fox Widescreen was not HDTV, or Fox could always surprise us by going to HD for the NFL.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...fl#post2299890

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This may be the best fallout of News Corp buying DirecTV: Going HD with Fox to curry governmental favor.

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Weehooo - now to deal with the Sinclair factor

Yeah. I'm happy, but with Sinclair owning and operating my local Fox affiliate, this means just about nothing to me.

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"News Corporation is committed to becoming a leader in the production of high-definition programming on broadcast and cable television," Mr. Chernin stated in his letter.

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This may be the best fallout of News Corp buying DirecTV: Going HD with Fox to curry governmental favor.
heheheh.... you got it!

And then they'll buy "Rainbow" to use it exclusively for HD! :)

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So now we can actually bitch how CBS football look better than Fox and it doesn't seem inane.
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I must be dreaming. Is that FOX and HD in the same thread???? ;)


So what is everyone going to do when they can't bash FOX anymore for not doing HD?
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So what is everyone going to do when they can't bash FOX anymore for not doing HD?
Bash Sinclair for not even passing 480p WS, or for using a 100 watt lightbulb for a transmitter ... There's always somebody to bash :rolleyes: :D

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This is great news!

I bet the NFL contract had something to do with this. This looks like nfl could be very interesting - who knows where directv will find the bandwidth to show multiple games in hdtv.
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I am interested to hear foxeng's comments about the feasibility of getting these stations converted to HD in a relatively short time. The article above inferred that much work would need to be done, although I was under the assumption many affiliates already are capable of passing through 720p.
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So, I still think I may have coined the term FAUX, for Fox's not-high-definition-480-line-progressive-widescreen broadcasts.

And even if I'm wrong, let me begin the countdown. Soon enough, we will be able to say:

FAUX IS DEAD, LONG LIVE FOX-HD

And what a great week for 720p, as well. From borderline irrelevance, to Fox's choice and soon to be on DirecTV with ESPN-HD. This doesn't even mention the fact that it's all but assured now that the Fox Sports Net stations will be in 720p as well.

We will have two formats for HD for a long while. Let them duke it out for picture-quality superiority! [Note: This post is edited so it has the ability to look ahead to a future post.] I incidentally disagree with a post below by XFactor that the set type will determine which format you prefer. I've seen both on a progressive set and have preferred one or the other, depending on a lot of factors.

And the only thing that can display 1080i is a CRT. And the CRT is hardly the future of television. There will be 480-line sets, 720/768-line sets, and increasingly 1080-line sets that will be inherently progressive.

Which format will "always" look better on those 1080-line sets? 1080i that needs to be deinterlaced or 720p that needs to be upscaled?

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Fantastic news!

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I don't think it will be the broadcasting format "duking it out." 720p programming looks better on 720p sets than does 1080i. 1080i programming looks better on 1080i sets than does 720p. A person with a TV that can only display 1080i should always prefer 1080i, and vice versa with 720p.

I'm hoping the next HD television I purchase will offer 1080p. We all should agree that is superior than both formats.
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This is the Golden Age of HDTV and we are living it!

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OMG!!!! When Buildings Collapse and World's Ugliest Porn Stars in 720p! (Can you tell I'm a Simpsons fan?) Now if only KTTV-DT would ditch their insidious always on station bug, my life could be complete.

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And the only thing that can display 1080i is a CRT. And the CRT is hardly the future of television. There will be 480-line sets, 720/768-line sets, and increasingly 1080-line sets that will be inherently progressive.
Is that true? I thought all television types have models that natively display 1080i -- front projectors, rear projectors, plasma and CRT.
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Without a very large television, it is hard to tell the difference in picture quality between Fox's enhanced definition and HDTV," said Josh Bernoff, principal analyst for Forrester Research. "But all the marketing is around HDTV, and Fox must have been feeling the pressure. This is a significant development, a sign that the acceptance of HDTV is accelerating.
A man who truly doesn't know what he's talking about. It's a shame there are still a lot of these guys running around talking in public.
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Excellent news, but why did Fox have to decide this AFTER cancelling Fastlane? That show would have looked absolutely beautiful in 720p. Heck, production costs of that show alone probably justifies upgrading costs of HD equipment. Though I believe foxeng said before most stations already had the ability to boradcast in HD, but I'll let him speak for himself.

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Is that true? I thought all television types have models that natively display 1080i -- front projectors, rear projectors, plasma and CRT.
Solid state displays are all progressive scan. Only CRT can display interlaced video natively.

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