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I've always known your a Brady guy.

And I'd be rich if I did.

And I stayed away from betting the SB.

These are just my opinions.
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Maybe the best picture quality on Fox I have ever seen . Much better than their regular season games. OTA Jacksonville FL.
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Loved the game (obviously) but I thought James White deserved the game MVP.

They should have gave it to Shanahan. Third and one in FG range, hey lets do a seven step drop and pass it! Ranks up there with Pete Carrol Super Bowl decision making.
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You mean the certain (bank on it) reality that his knee was shot, or that he was out of gas, or..... there's a few more. That reality?
Chad was right the Pat's fan will come out of the woodwork.

It's the Trump in me to love all the attention.

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I've always known your a Brady guy.

And I'd be rich if I did.

And I stayed away from betting the SB.

We're all Brady guys now 'band. Welcome to the club. There is no need to fight it, just let it happen. Five rings. It just is.
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^^^

Maybe top 20 now.

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We're all Brady guys now 'band. Welcome to the club. There is no need to fight it, just let it happen. Five rings. It just is.
First quarterback to get "One-For-The-Thumb."
Was he the only Patriot player to get all five rings?
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First quarterback to get "One-For-The-Thumb."
Was he the only Patriot player to get all five rings?

I think he and Charles Haley are the only players in that club. Belichik has seven.
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what was Atlanta's defense doing in the 2nd half?...everyone seemed wide open...Pats were making quick throws and Atlanta had no clue what to do...talk about being clueless as far as making adjustments
The Pats unknowingly employed the rope a dope. Scoring so quick and keeping the defense on the feild for long stretches. The Falcon defense was used up by the middle of the 3rd quarter. Ultimately though you have to put this lost on Altlanta's coach and the offense. You have the ball on the Pats 22 with a few minutes left and a field goal pretty much ends the game and you call run, pass, pass and lose 23 yards and get pushed out of FG range! If I am on the 22 with the led, run, run, run, kick.
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Loved the game (obviously) but I thought James White deserved the game MVP.
For the one run? Pats defense line deserves the MVP. They pretty much shut the Falcons down in the second half and that take away was the game changer.
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For the one run? Pats defense line deserves the MVP. They pretty much shut the Falcons down in the second half and that take away was the game changer.
Nope... for the 110 yards receiving, two touchdowns rushing and one receiving, plus the first 2 pt attempt. He accounted for 20 points.

He also added 29 yards rushing, but he was the one factor the Falcons didn't allow for.

Love the Pats defense, but they were run over the first half, and Brady was missing receivers the first half also. Doesn't take away from his 466 yards / 2TD, but I think James White was the MVP.

Just my 2 cents as a long time Pats fan.
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We're all Brady guys now 'band. Welcome to the club. There is no need to fight it, just let it happen. Five rings. It just is.
Yeah, hard to argue the point at this point. What's even more astounding is, at 39, he's probably the oldest active player in the league. At least the "real" players and not kicking specialists who never get their uniforms dirty.

As an official old dude now (Saturday was the big 6-0 - yikes!), I've come to appreciate an accomplishment like that.
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The Pats unknowingly employed the rope a dope. Scoring so quick and keeping the defense on the feild for long stretches. The Falcon defense was used up by the middle of the 3rd quarter. Ultimately though you have to put this lost on Altlanta's coach and the offense. You have the ball on the Pats 22 with a few minutes left and a field goal pretty much ends the game and you call run, pass, pass and lose 23 yards and get pushed out of FG range! If I am on the 22 with the led, run, run, run, kick.
Finally someone gets it right. Yes, Brady did what it took to win the game, but you can't blame the opposing team defense. As Aikman mentioned a couple of times the loser team offense was only on the field for like 35 plays. The loser team defense was on the field for like double that. This loss fall squarely on the loser team offense, their QB and their OC. San Fran may want to reassess their hire.
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I hear that the Pope has already decreed that Tom Brady will from now, evermore, be known as St. Thomas of Boston due to his latest miracle...

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I hear that the Pope has already decreed that Tom Brady will from now, evermore, be known as St. Thomas of Boston due to his latest miracle...
I hear the Vegas book has the line at his canonization at 5 to 4 and the over/under at 5 Hail-Marys. Rodgers is currently leading in that one, but I wouldn't count Tom out.
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With LCD you wont know what 1080p/720p fine picture detail can be outside of a Samsung or Sony 4K TV upscaling HDTV or maybe an HDR OLED .



When did Vizio or Mitsubishi ever make a decent TV like a decent better model Sony or Samsung 1080p or 4K SDR or WCG 4K HDR TV or HDR OLED or a range topping plasma ,it's 2017 they are SRSLY behind the tier one brand curves.

The Vizio P ain't all that (like the first one ) and right now it's wholly not competitive spending with the much better 2016 HDR Samsung KS8000 .or the Sony HDR X850D IPS panel thing that can't touch my 2015 Sony HDR below which may be upgraded to a Sony Z1C OLED or Z9D megawatt FALD ,


There is always something better around the corner at some point and I've had since 1993 a lot of Sony XBR ,XBR Wega and Sony ES HT AVR ,game consoles and so on and never regretted it outside of 3 unreliable PS2 and one rubbish low spend Sony Bravia LED/LCD TV that wasn't the usual Sony XBR TV and it was a bloody conventional LED also .

The Samsung 64f8500 plasma below needs no accolades it doesnt have already

I'm used to the Sony and Samsung tax and most of us pay it willingly over the low spend rubbish but the smart money always spends at Q4 or following January prices
before product runs out

When was the last time you saw a spendy $57,000.00 Vizio RGB OLED professional color grading monitor for broadcasters and studios like a special professional Sony RGB OLED panel Sony Pro Trimaster they use ?

I think mits is gone and Hisense is coming to get the Vizio store front company with better TV's up to HDR OLED they actually make and make OLED HDR panels for .



I don't think they always get LCD right. Cnet doesn't put any TV Test data out beyond a calibration report and usually the wrong settings to validate or disprove a conclusion or value bias they may have .

CBS wholly is not the paragon of integrity these days that it once at least pretended to be since Edward Murrow .



I don't know what slim Sony XBR Grand Wega DLP you ever saw but nobody that mattered ever sold or raved about a mits shopping channel DLP back then. DLP was never all that anyway.

People only bought mits DLP TV because they were comparatively a low spend or they didn't know any better,same for Vizio LCD.



Wholly not true a wide color gamut HDR TV has much better color volume and better color and primaries within and beyond Bt 709 boundaries .

A conventional Blue LED Yellow Phosphor treated LED lamp panel can't touch an HDR WCG panel on any content .

Only Blue gets bt709 boundary close on those and skews all the other colors or the color volume depending on the calibrations but it's never right at adequate color volume and saturation in the color volume anyway regular LED panels ain't all that but at least Samsung saturates them them plausibly well to compensate for the rubbish Blue LED Yellow phosphor light spectrum on their 4K SDR TV's and they are the only ones

Decent 4K HDR wide color gamut 10 bit panel LCD TVs ,Plasma and OLED and old school CCFL LCD make way better color than conventional Blue LED Yellow phosphor treated LED lamp panels

^^^^^ vis a vis a very poor white light spectrum from Blue Yellow phosphor treated LED that can not approach Red or Green bt 709 boundaries like an HDR WCG panel can pass altogether and leave bt 709 behind on any content if you set it right or just let it hit the bt709 boundaries with good color volume a regular LED TV can't make .

The cure is WCG HDR LCD ,Plasma ,HDR OLED ,old 1080p CCFL to a lesser extent

Don't feel bad I got hosed on a 2013 Sony and LG 1080p LED/LCD set here but this 2015 WCG HDR 4K Sony XBR in my sig was the cure in here at 12 months not a minute too soon and Sony makes better color than Vizio and LG LCD.
The fact that you think you had a Sony Grand WEGA "DLP" speaks volumes about your uninformed opinions.
(Perhaps you actually had an SXRD based set, which was a form of LCOS - Liquid Crystal on Silicon).

Katzmaier is a highly respected reviewer. His take on the Sony X850D?

THE GOOD The Sony XBR-X850D offers cutting-edge 4K HDR features, accurate color and solid video processing. Its minimalist design looks understated yet futuristic. Android TV's large app selection means you might not need an external streamer.

THE BAD Worse contrast and overall image quality than many competitors we've tested.

THE BOTTOM LINE The midpriced Sony XBR-X850D gets the features, style and smart parts right, but falls short where it really counts: picture performance.... But in my book there are plenty of better choices, including the slightly more expensive Samsung UN65KS8000 and the cheaper Vizio M series, both of which beat this XBR's picture. If you want a TV that truly lives up to the Sony pedigree, you'll have to pay extra for a model like the X930D or something even more expensive.


Your Samsung Plasma is the best of the bunch you have listed. That was a hell of a set. When I first saw in in Suwon about 10 months prior to actual production, Samsung's product management was undecided as to if challenging Panasonic VT/ZT series was a good idea. I advised that if they could get 2 years out of the design, the series would probably be a safe investment. .

Bottom line? Your condescending babble about TV's that aren't your favorite brands is not relevant.
HDR and improved color gamut have little to no bearing on judging the quality of a live TV broadcast.
There are pluses and minuses to all displays. No brand is perfect. To imply that an owner of a (insert brand here) can't see the nuances that can only be seen on your favorites is off base.

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as far as picture quality on the FOX broadcast I wasn't impressed...looked like a regular season FOX broadcast...they did have some really great closeups where the image quality looked spectacular but overall it was typical 720p quality
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as far as picture quality on the FOX broadcast I wasn't impressed...looked like a regular season FOX broadcast...they did have some really great closeups where the image quality looked spectacular but overall it was typical 720p quality
Agreed overall but on the close ups and a few of what I thought were the better cameras and distances ultimately once I got my nose off the screen here at the PC desk 3' next to the TV faced this way to a plausible 55" view distance , IMO it was the best FOX NFL telecast I've seen to date *at times* and some of it wasn't bad at all as decent chroma saturated typical -better OTA 720p >2160p goes noting it usually apart from good close ups looked like rubbish close up like sometimes any Fox cable channel and some of the others

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The fact that you think you had a Sony Grand WEGA "DLP" speaks volumes about your uninformed opinions.
(Perhaps you actually had an SXRD based set, which was a form of LCOS - Liquid Crystal on Silicon).


The fact that you think you had a Sony Grand WEGA "DLP" speaks volumes about your uninformed opinions.
(Perhaps you actually had an SXRD based set, which was a form of LCOS - Liquid Crystal on Silicon).
I was going to say SXRD it said Sony LCoS (SXRD) or one or both of those on front of the TV anyway ,both DLP & SXRD at that point are digital HDTV light processing (DLP) TV's with projection lamps if you want to parse words just not the commonly used DLP nomenclature for the Ti chip micro electro mechanical DLP TV's like the Mitsubishi or DLP RPTV rubbish.

I'm fully aware of what the SXRD Sony Grand Wega I owned bought new in 2005 was, it was significantly better than a Shopping channel Mitsubishi or a Best Buy Samsung DLP anyway.

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pppfffttt like Cnet says in 2005 maybe using some other words here and there " Sony came out with a new technology (SXRD) that was even better than DLP in all aspects, except the spendy price".

I deliberately avoided DLP or any RPG TV rubbish until the significantly superior 1080p Sony LCoS SXRD.


Bottom line in 2016 .....Mits DLP & DLP are poor old man's rubbish
now just like the arguably best CRT Sony XBR FD HD Wega CRT's I had.

IMO DLP were rubbish brand new new like all the microelectromechanical chip DLP TV's, why you think Sony came out withSXRD and whatever JVC did with LCoS

^^ noting I was lucky it didn't blow up on me with the dreaded SXRD yellow screen or green SXRD slime like a lot of those over priced half azzed SXRD HDTV's did before I got rid of it for my first arguably much better plasma


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Katzmaier is a highly respected reviewer. ?
pfffftttt maybe to the illiterati that follows Cnet and likes all the the product shill reviews for ear buds , cell phones and household appliances and so on there .

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THE GOOD The Sony XBR-X850D offers cutting-edge 4K HDR features?-cnet-
Aside from 1" thicker the firmware up to date 2015 Sony X850C is better than 2016 X850D all over outside of view angle , it has better HDR and SDR /HDTV vis a vis 2 recent HDR & other processing upgrade firmware updates and the same constant and peak X850D brightness now and the same Andriod 6 platform from all that.

Sony screwed the pooch on what could have been a much better TV without the IPS panel in the X850D ,the business case for that is obvious aside from maybe a lower cost of goods panel is that maybe they didn't want to cannibalize 2016 X930D sales and the fence sitters that may have happened like 2015 X850C/X930C product from the arguably better than 2016 X850D - 2015 X850C VA panel TV ..................,

noting my lowly 2015 Sony X850C VA panel HDR TV has deeper blacks then the VA panel 2015 X930C and maybe X930D also unless they improved it from 2015.

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Your Samsung Plasma is the best of the bunch you have listed.
The best high end TV 2013 -2014 V.E.shootout winner that tied with 1080p LG OLED or back then ........................,

ppfffttt.... Aside from the fact as really good as it is the 64f8500 plasma can't match the balanced color volume , color spaces ,constant and peak brightness,minimum black video levels ,contrast , upscaled and native resolutions or picture/shadow fine detail of the Sony Triluminos 4K HDR X850C LCD within a country mile ......................................,

OTOH it's still pretty darn good and probably better than a lot of LCD or any Vizio and it doesn't have LCD pixel blooming even at its inferior min. black levels ,ABL large window whites ,brightness ,color space and so on here .

Again 64f8500 doesn't need any accolades that it doesn't have ,it beat out the range topping Panasonic plasmas which was no small feat re 2013-2014 VE shootout but it ain't WCG 4K HDR either .


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Bottom line? Your condescending babble about TV's that aren't your favorite brands is not relevant.

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One can get a much better genuine Samsung or Sony 55" HDR TV for about what or less than than the arguably inferior 2016 Vizio P low spend goes for now that maybe should be no more than let's say ~$499.00 new at this time which is the Hisense - 55" 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV with High Dynamic Range at Best buy 2nd tier brand like Vizio.

Maybe the new Vizio owners have chosen not to be competitive in today's seasonal stateside markets IMO

Vizio tracked TV viewers and sold data without consent
http://www.techspot.com/news/68054-v...t-consent.html

The Samsung 6290/6300 4K SDR is better and brighter than SDR Vizio M anyway .

Barring something unknown from Vizio parent co. PRC technology powerhouse Le Eco that just put Vizio out for a $179M public IPO .....maybe for a pump and dump , I predict maybe the marketplace forces will ultimately shake Hisense manufactured TV's in and the Vizio store front company TV's out of the top or nearly top unit sales in the states here anyway ,they already have better HDR product and more coming and thier own factories at large scale .




Your opinion's are yours to have and write but there is always a very good argument and arguments for a tier one brand TV over the K mart Blue light special brands like maybe Vizio and so on .

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HDR and improved color gamut have little to no bearing on judging the quality of a live TV broadcast

Note they crushed Super Bowl 8K and 4K camera down to 720p/59.94 > thats homicide and a better TV will reveal more nuances of the homicide and probably put up a better picture anyway


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That's wholly a myth and the Super Bowl color and everything looked better on the deep black *(for LCD) wide color gamut Sony XBR 4K HDR TV than anything in the house including the range topping plasma in my sig .

If one does not not yet own a genuine 10 bit wide color gamut genuine HDR processing 4K TV they probably wouldn't make that argument in 2016 .


Bottom line is the science tell is anyone that really understands how an HDR 10 bit wide color gamut LED/LCD HDR panel works vs a conventional SDR /HD LED /LCD ( blue LED -yellow phosphor ) LED /LCD panel with the very poor white light spectrum they provide before the LCD cell probably won't make that argument if they ever saw the difference and that's wholly setting aside superior tier one brand video processing and fine detail reveals .


The above again vis a vis - again Blue -yellow phosphor treated LED lamps severely and naturally pushing blue with wholly inadequate red and green color volume & primaries within bt 709 boundaries outside of WCG HDR panels can probably easily disprove your argument .

I played that WCG any content argument out here and in Best Buy /Best Buy Magnolia many times and it scales fine from within bt2020/DCI down to or up from bt 709 at any digital pixel resolution bt 709 4:2:0 /4K SDR TV content ,5 star Blue Ray or HDTV telecast or content and soundly beats the regular blue lamp yellow phosphor LED .LCD panel poor color saturation within the poor color volume and color accuracy below clipping any time noting now Sony recommends global bt 2020 color space settings on the Triluminos panel WCG HDR TVS on TV /TV media content ....................., .


noting I have CCFL /Plasma /Blue LED HDTV and 4K WCG HDR LCD and I roll my own calibrations also

Setting aside HDR OLED the Bottom line is a decent 4K 10 bit WCG HDR panel LCD TV vs anything less is better with superior upscaled 1080p or anthing ,more color volume and bright whites and usually bright highlights all below clipping on any decent content .


Even in Bt 709 boundaries real WCG HDR panels can make Coca Cola Red ,Chartreuse , Magenta ,Fire Engine Red ,Stop Sign Red ,beter Blue and real Green you can't get on a conventional LED panel

8 bit CCFL or plasma panel is much better color volume than all that conventional LED/LCD blue LED rubbish like a low spend Vizio M storefront company SDR TV some reviewers shill or just have a value bias for .


One may refer to my earlier post or not since I reiterated it here about this Blue LED thing vs adequate bt 709 color volume noting the blue push must be pushed down in a factory and or custom calibration wholly depreciating adequate color volume panel potential on a conventional SDR/HD panel compared to wide color gamut 10 bit HDR panel on *any content .


HDR and wide color are mutually exclusive and TV & studio HDR requires at least 10 bit wide color gamut for TV HDR content and movie theater DCI-P3 digital formats within bt 2020 boundaries.


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There are pluses and minuses to all displays. No brand is perfect.
We don't have broad market scale 11,000 NIT 14 bit color 8K TV's so it's safe to say TV's have a way to go yet .



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I didn't state all the nuances specifically , that may include on the inferior TV more posturization ,dithering ,inferior color gradations ,video processing and so on they at least will see within bt 709 boundaries setting aside a better fine detail reveal of all that maybe with less video rubbish and posturization on a better TV with a better fine detail reveal of what *is there without crushing the chroma and fine detail as much such that it is .


All that may that may disprove more of this argument you have nothing . I have an electronics education and a Gen. class FCC licence and I can repair these TV's and read oscilloscopes and so on a , I've played all that color out here many times on 5 - 2012-2015 tier one brand CCFL/reg. LED /Plasma all 1080p and one 4K WCG HDR TV TV also .

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Andrew Luck was seen in public shouting TFB,TFB,TFB. Huge fan he is, still wearing the same shirt.....




The whole Pats team deserved that MVP, you can say the Falcons lost the game.it boils down to the Falcons won the first round, Pats won the second round,Pats then won OT by KNOCKOUT.



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Nope... for the 110 yards receiving, two touchdowns rushing and one receiving, plus the first 2 pt attempt. He accounted for 20 points...
A Shane Vereen type performance; whatever happened to him?
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Brady is going to get PAID .............again
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A Shane Vereen type performance; whatever happened to him?
Signed with the Giants. Has mostly been hurt the last two years.
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They should Suspend Brady four games next year for being careless with Team Property !

That will hurt the Pats.............Not.

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Finally someone gets it right. Yes, Brady did what it took to win the game, but you can't blame the opposing team defense. As Aikman mentioned a couple of times the loser team offense was only on the field for like 35 plays. The loser team defense was on the field for like double that. This loss fall squarely on the loser team offense, their QB and their OC. San Fran may want to reassess their hire.

49'ers need to reassess at least going back to trading Alex Smith and releasing coach Harbaugh and get an owner ,GM .line coaches and front office that knows something about leadership and football out here ,loose Kaepernick years ago like I said ,then worry about the other players

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Watching S.B. game on the Sacto Fox OTA local 720p picture is better than some reg season games on same local at times but a bit too noisy on distance shots or the turf all the time ,often a soft,noisy ,sometimes rubbish 720p sometimes not bad (varies with the camera ,distance variables and such ) for my best 720p liking ,

^^^^OTOH I'm 3 ft close at the PC desk to this 55" and it looks way better at my normal 9-10 ft evening distance since half time and not half bad for Fox NFL 720p .
I noticed the same thing on my projector.. from far it was terrible but the close ups were amazing.. why does it look so noisy from far whats happening..
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as far as picture quality on the FOX broadcast I wasn't impressed...looked like a regular season FOX broadcast...they did have some really great closeups where the image quality looked spectacular but overall it was typical 720p quality
To me it was the worse ive seen excepts for the close up and those were amazing.. but from far everything looked terrible..
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I noticed the same thing on my projector.. from far it was terrible but the close ups were amazing.. why does it look so noisy from far whats happening..
often old low res digital cameras (but not according to the Fox broadcast spin for this game ) ,resampling the alleged 4K,8K camera feeds to maybe 720p 59.9 and stripping out a zillion pixels and semi trailers full of chroma luminance , otherwise digital image sensor noise /distance noise /posterization and generally poor imaging on the longer distance and lower light weather /time of day /shadow /stadium artificial lighting conditions noting our vision is wholly reflected light and noon sunlight is ~11,000 NITS in much of the world and about the best thing any camera ever imaged or you ever saw .

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often old low res digital cameras (but not according to the Fox broadcast spin for this game ) , otherwise digital image sensor noise and poor imaging on the longer distance and lower light weather /time of day /shadow conditions noting our vision is wholly reflected light and noon sunlight is ~11,000 NITS in much of the world and about the best thing any camera ever imaged or you ever saw .
Man they need to get their **** together.. Biggest sport in america they need to be showing this to perfection.. I was trying to show off my jvc projector to my friends and this game did not do it justice.. My 12 year old came in during a far distance shot and asked in from of everything why does it looked so terrible.. lol They need to step up
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