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2017 NASCAR in HD

It is February and that means Daytona is right around the corner.

Any predictions? Is Dale Jr going to make it through the season? Will the new points system be universally panned?

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Is it even known that Dale is going to start the season?
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Unless something happens, he is scheduled to race.

The big question is what will happen to Danica? Her sponsor bailed and it is only a matter of time before the team supports her without endorsements.
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LOL, Danica. Who cares except her fan boys? She's never going to be anything more than a mid-to-late pack racer, I don't care what happens to her because she is simply part of the WWE that NASCAR has become. Low talent, entertainment performer.
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And fan girls. The best she will ever do is make the Chase and be knocked out in the first round. Danica has six top ten finishes and no top five in four plus years in Nascar. This could be a make or break year for sponsorship. If she doesn't make the Chase this year or next, then she could be looking at the sportscar phase of her career.

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Saw that NASCAR is only going to let teams work on crashed cars for 5 mins. in the pits - if they exceed that or go to the garage they're out, even for later stages.

That's going to make some of the Daytona/Talladega races real small after the big one takes out half the field a couple of times. Might only be 10 cars left in some of these.

I think this is a good rule btw.
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Saw that NASCAR is only going to let teams work on crashed cars for 5 mins. in the pits - if they exceed that or go to the garage they're out, even for later stages.

That's going to make some of the Daytona/Talladega races real small after the big one takes out half the field a couple of times. Might only be 10 cars left in some of these.

I think this is a good rule btw.
I'm happy the rule doesn't apply to failures. Just damage from a wreck. My question: How does it apply to a tire that goes down causing the car to hit a wall? Or one that comes apart and beats the snot out of part of the car? Guess we'll find out.

I think the clock shouldn't run under caution, but I do agree that a lot of 20-lap-down cars just clogs up the race and presents safety issues.

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Not sure why five minutes is used as the cutoff. I still think it is a good rule, but maybe not in its current state.

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I also wonder if the five minute rule means you get one shot in the pits or as many as you want with go-arounds. I can see that happening if they can't go to the garage without getting out.
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I like the rule. You would have these teams work on a car and send it back out 50 laps down to gain maybe 1 point, and most times that patchwork car would end up blowing another tire or dropping debris on the track that results in a caution. I think it's a great rule. It also saves the teams money in how much stuff they need to bring to the track on the crash cart.


SHR says they will run Danica's team all season. They knew that sponsor was a problem even before last season began. They will probably win the court case but there's no money to collect. Meanwhile her ability to draw sponsors is gone because she's running 25th every week. They will shut that team down or replace her in 2018.
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I agree with you. It was kind of stupid to bring cars back out that could barely run. It kind of took care of itself with other series, but Nascar insisted on giving everyone points. Now, they have slightly corrected that.

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I also wonder if the five minute rule means you get one shot in the pits or as many as you want with go-arounds. I can see that happening if they can't go to the garage without getting out.
You get as many as you need. Clock resets each time a car gets back out on the track. But if it can't make minimum speed, it's over. That's why I'd want a pit close to my garage. That, or they're going to have to cram a lot more car parts into the pit. Michael Waltrip would have needed an entire car stowed back there.
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You get as many as you need. Clock resets each time a car gets back out on the track. But if it can't make minimum speed, it's over. That's why I'd want a pit close to my garage. That, or they're going to have to cram a lot more car parts into the pit. Michael Waltrip would have needed an entire car stowed back there.
NASCAR caters to the lowest common denominator. Heat races? Segments? Artificial cautions? Paper 'champions' (JJ48)? What a joke. I remember when this used to be a real sport.

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While that may be true, don't kid yourself. Big Bill was as much about the show as his grandson. I think the big difference is they used to cater to the regular fans. Now, they are concerned with keeping the casual fans which expanded their income exponentially. It is what happens when you become a public corporation. I realize Nascar is private, but ISC is public.


I understand the dislike of JJ, but he would have been a champion under any of the formats. If he had decided to go Indy, then he would have dominated that series as well.

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I have to chime in on the artificial cautions. I hate those. "Competition cautions?" Why race if you know the field regathers at lap 30? I don't mind heats.. probably because I grew up with modified dirt track racing. I didn't get into NASCAR until I was 40.

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I have to chime in on the artificial cautions. I hate those. "Competition cautions?" Why race if you know the field regathers at lap 30? I don't mind heats.. probably because I grew up with modified dirt track racing. I didn't get into NASCAR until I was 40.
Well don't act like you know what your talking about if you just started watching yesterday.


Yeah, comp cautions are annoying along with the dread cawshun is out with ten laps to go.

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You get as many as you need. Clock resets each time a car gets back out on the track. But if it can't make minimum speed, it's over.
If you're coming in for 5 mins. then doing one lap and coming right back in you might not be subject to the min speed rule, I think it's gauged over multiple laps.

We'll have to see how it plays out I guess, I don't think NASCAR is going to look kindly on these types of workarounds. I do think the rule is good for the cost-reduction angle too.
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Ugh, Espn has multiple stories on Danica. I think I am really rooting for this being her last year. If she doesn't have a top 5 by mid season, then I hope Stewart dumps her and puts a rookie in her car.

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She finished 4th in the Clash.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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If you're coming in for 5 mins. then doing one lap and coming right back in you might not be subject to the min speed rule, I think it's gauged over multiple laps.

We'll have to see how it plays out I guess, I don't think NASCAR is going to look kindly on these types of workarounds. I do think the rule is good for the cost-reduction angle too.
and under caution does the clock run? does it reset? does min speed = caution speed?
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Ugh, Espn has multiple stories on Danica. I think I am really rooting for this being her last year. If she doesn't have a top 5 by mid season, then I hope Stewart dumps her and puts a rookie in her car.


Only because she commented on Jr's concussions, then they wrote a headline that she said she had had at least 12 concussions in her career. She never said that but it made for a good headline.


She won't have a ride in 2018, they can no longer get sponsors for her car just because she is female, she keeps running 25th every week and they never get on tv. It's all been down hill since they lost GoDaddy
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and under caution does the clock run? does it reset?
The repair clock would have to run under caution, otherwise the rule is moot since most wrecks bring out a caution. AIUI, teams get five minutes to repair a damaged car once it hits pit road. Total. Clock doesn't reset if they get it back out on the track under caution. They have whatever time was remaining on the 5:00 clock. But the car has to be able to maintain minimum speed under green when the race resumes. If it does THAT, the clock resets. The idea is to get rid of damaged cars that are just limping around the track. Given the restrictions on what they can and can't repair, if they don't get it done in five minutes, it's probably too extensive, anyway.

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Under the Damaged Vehicle Policy, teams no longer will be able to replace damaged body parts caused by accidents or contact, NASCAR.com reports. Teams still will be allowed to repair things like damaged sheet metal, but only will be allowed five minutes to do so after entering pit road. The changes will be enforced in all three of NASCAR’s national series. If the car must enter the garage or go behind the wall, or if repairs take longer than the allotted five minutes, the car will not be allowed to return to the race. Once repairs are complete, moreover, the car will be required to maintain a determined minimum speed for the event.
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She finished 4th in the Clash.
Good for her. Now, lets see if she can do it in a race that counts.

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Only because she commented on Jr's concussions, then they wrote a headline that she said she had had at least 12 concussions in her career. She never said that but it made for a good headline.


She won't have a ride in 2018, they can no longer get sponsors for her car just because she is female, she keeps running 25th every week and they never get on tv. It's all been down hill since they lost GoDaddy
You are correct, but IIRC they ran a couple of headlines with that and the medical team.

Yeah unless there is a wreck or a pit stop she doesn't get on camera.

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Apparently Bowyer has even more races than Danica that are unsponsored at this point. Not sure if this means sponsors are pulling back from NASCAR or pulling back from suspect drivers. Bowyer has always been too inconsistent to me, even with decent equipment (last year was a wasted one for him of course).
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Unfortunately for Bowyer, he hasn't won a race since '12. Five times in his first eight years he finished in the top ten in the standings. That isn't bad.

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5 hour decided not to follow him and went with Erik Jones instead.



I like the 5 minute rule those cars that are 30+ laps down shouldn't be on track anyways
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This restrictor plate racing sucks. Other than the top 2 or 3 cars you are pretty much stuck where you are at.
I would rather watch the 2 cars locked up pushing each other.

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I hate the tandem racing. That was an abomination.


So based on the shootout and the 2 races last night, if the cars behind the leader get in single file, the leader is a sitting duck. However, if the cars behind the leader are side by side, they have no chance of winning.
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Chase won the pole and the first race. It looks like he could be the real deal.

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