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The Deuce- HBO HD

created by 'The Wire' mastermind David Simon and writer George Pelecanos, the series looks at the rise of the porn industry in Times Square in the 1970s, when the crime and prostitution-ridden 42nd Street was known as 'The Deuce'...the series has a sprawling cast of prostitutes, pimps, mobsters and cops who live and work in the area, but its main focus is Vincent (James Franco) a working stiff who gets in with the mob to build his own bar (Franco does double duty as Vincent and his twin, the more degenerate Frankie), and Eileen (Maggie Gyllenhaal), a seasoned prostitute who is (eventually) intrigued by the opportunities offered by porn...

reviews have generally been excellent across the board with critics praising the writing and character development...I wasn't going to watch this mainly because it gave me 'Vinyl' vibes- the recently cancelled 70's rock and roll drama but apparently The Deuce is far superior...I also hate James Franco as an actor...but the main draws are that David Simon is the showrunner and anything he does is pretty much guaranteed to be excellent plus I'm a fan of Maggie Gyllenhaal...the premiere episode has been available for the past 2 weeks On Demand but the official premiere is this Sunday, September 10th...


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Well, the pilot was interesting, though short on likable characters so far IMO. Interesting to see just how sleazy and dirty certain parts on NYC were back in the 70s. I can see this developing into something interesting, though I hate shows with twins in them :-/ . I thought the pilot was pretty well written and had enough diverse plot lines to keep me watching for a while.
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"Pimp Larry was Chris from The Wire and the Cop getting his shoes shined was D'Angelo. I'm sure others from The Wire are in it, David Simon produced show.

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I loved 'Treme'; never saw 'The Wire'. And I've read some of David Simon's essays and admire him greatly. He's probably one of the few people working in the industry you could legitimately classify as a "genius".

But that said, the subject matter of this show seems so sleezy I don't know if I should tune in or not. I'll probably watch the pilot and see if it grabs me.
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Don't judge a book by it's cover, I have a great friend who asked me when I was in my twenties how old I was? I said 27 and he was older than me and said when I was 27 I had 14 sport'n girls. Three time loser but he is a great and dear friend of mine. I'm nothing like him but I don't judge other than how honest he is with me. Many paths in life.

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Liked it a lot.
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I'm in also. While I was a big fan of The Wire and I'm feeling that the rise of the porn industry in New York will be more interesting than dope peddling in Baltimore.
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I haven't watched the premiere yet but I plan on letting a few episodes build up before starting to watch as I hear it's a slow burn of a show...has to be better then HBO's other recent 70's rock and roll flop Vinyl right?...plus it's David Simon!...the guy knows how to tell a compelling story...he could make a series about watching paint dry and it would be interesting
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Am a big fan of Simon and The Wire and really enjoyed the pilot episode. Recently watched the movie "Lovelace" that dates back to 1974 so it will be interesting to see the developments from '71 to Deep Throat. Am in wonderment in how they recreated bustling 1971 42nd st with all the old cars and pedestrians.
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I'm in after watching the pilot!!

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I loved 'Treme'; never saw 'The Wire'. And I've read some of David Simon's essays and admire him greatly. He's probably one of the few people working in the industry you could legitimately classify as a "genius".

But that said, the subject matter of this show seems so sleezy I don't know if I should tune in or not. I'll probably watch the pilot and see if it grabs me.
You mean you would actually consider to tune in or not BEFORE watching the pilot? That makes no sense to me. Watch it and then decide. I viewed it a couple weeks ago after the final episode of Game of Thrones since HBO GO had a preview of Deuce available.

I'm in.

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You mean you would actually consider to tune in or not BEFORE watching the pilot? That makes no sense to me. Watch it and then decide. I viewed it a couple weeks ago after the final episode of Game of Thrones since HBO GO had a preview of Deuce available.

I'm in.
I actually watched it last night. David [Simon], I'm sorry I ever doubted you. I'm in.
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Watched the pilot a few weeks back in part to see how Maggie Gyllenhaal's role differs from her 2002 performance in Secretary. There she played a meek secretary to James Spader's character, disturbed enough to periodically cut herself. In The Deuce , it's a remarkable transformation as she slips on her Times Square blond wig. -- John
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Am a big fan of Simon and The Wire and really enjoyed the pilot episode. Recently watched the movie "Lovelace" that dates back to 1974 so it will be interesting to see the developments from '71 to Deep Throat. Am in wonderment in how they recreated bustling 1971 42nd st with all the old cars and pedestrians.
I was there during filming of a couple episodes. The cars are mostly genuine (with some CGI additions, of course, for the bigger shots) and had that great old-time gasoline smell! (Apologies to Duvall.) The production had a strong attention to detail...you could walk into one of the porn shop fronts and there'd be porn books and magazines (only the covers, of course, as opening one up would reveal a cook book or religious tract or something). The pedestrians were real as well...all dressed up in style courtesy of the hardworking wardrobe and hair dept. (Although a few of the hairdos looked too 1980s, I thought.) It was all very nostalgic for me.

Haven't seen the show yet...waiting to have at least 3 eps to start with. High hopes for sure, and I will refrain from nit-picking about things that should be there and aren't and vice verse. (As unpleasant as the subject matter may be, I still have fond memories of that time/place.)
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They did an extra piece on HBO GO explaining how they made it look like 1970's New York. It aired after the first episode. Check it out if you can.

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The attention to detail is remarkable. They spared no expense. They're HBO, and they have all the money in the world to do it right. Have to give 'em that.
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Great episode 2. I am hooked now. Very much liking this. Super interesting to see the relationships between the police and the pro's. Everything seems so authentic as well.
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Loving it so far. But the Wire might be my favorite series of all time so Im biased. Levy being a cop is funny cause he was such a shady lawyer on The Wire. Maggie G is great, Ive been a fan since Crazy Heart
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I'm just loving the heck out of this show. These guys know how to make unforgettable characters and drama.
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Struggling with the sound mix on "Deuce"? Experiments last night revealed 5:1 surround clear. Compressed to single speaker, it's ****. 1/2
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Suspect flawed digiitization from cable carriers that fails to distinguish between primary dialogue and b.g. HBO masters are sharp.
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Unique prob for us becuz we use ambient sound of world for BG, not walla or music cues; mix for surround; cable carriers give few ****s.
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What is the point of James Franco playing twins? Seems like a lot of work and setup if there is a plot twist later in the series where they exchange identities for some reason. Also, a question for you NYC guys familiar with the area and time frame, isn't the amount of trash and garbage on every square inch of sidewalk a bit overdone? (Not that I hung out there a lot but, similar areas in LA at the time were not that bad.)
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What is the point of James Franco playing twins? Seems like a lot of work and setup if there is a plot twist later in the series where they exchange identities for some reason. Also, a question for you NYC guys familiar with the area and time frame, isn't the amount of trash and garbage on every square inch of sidewalk a bit overdone? (Not that I hung out there a lot but, similar areas in LA at the time were not that bad.)


During that time period the city was coming out of a severe budget crisis sanitation was one of the casualties especially in a part of the city that everyday people didn’t frequent.

I was just starting college in the late seventies the Times Square area was the section my parents warned me of but of course being from the burbs I went straight to it to see it for myself.

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Love this show!! Love the Curtis Mayfield theme song too, always make sure I turn up the MV for it!!

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Another good episode last night. Such interesting characters. Good stuff.
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I watched the first four episodes during the HBO free weekend on Hulu. I was a big fame of Simon's "Treme" being a professional musician myself. I like the extent they went to make the period of the 1970s be authentic. I don't know when I'll catch the remaining episodes though.
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The rhythms of this show, the way the scenes are constructed and edited together, remind me so much of 'Treme'. It's clearly a David Simon show. And that's high praise indeed.

Noticed the gay bartender at the new club played the Rolling Stone(?) reporter investigating the unsolved murders in 'Treme'.
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.. They could possibly be setting up an arc where the evil twin will eventually be killed, possibly by the Mafia boss, & unknown to his brother that it was them ... or even the Irish coin machine gang ...
Dramatic / shocking kill off of a major character, without losing the actor going forward ..
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Yeah, one of the twins isn't going to make it through the season. 'Fargo' established that template last year, but I'm betting Simon had already fleshed out this season of 'The Deuce'.
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