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For those with high performance plasmas, digital projectors or HDTV big screens – this is big news because the all-digital DVI picture for NTSC and HDTV picture is far superior to even the best analog connections.
Actually no, with the exception for some possible improvement for all digital displays. Certainly not "far superior". DVI does not offer any benefit in pq over component to an analog display such as a CRT HDTV display. Some even say component looks better. DVI is just "digital component".

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So, my Dishnetwork dish pointed at 61.5 can just remain on the roof, and they'll just connect my cable to their box, get a signal, and thats it? Installation done?!
Can anyone confirm that Voom is compatible with a E* dish pointed at 61.5 satellite? My HOA is restricting me to two dishes and I already have a D* dish for my main channels and a E* dish for international channels.
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Can anyone confirm that Voom is compatible with a E* dish pointed at 61.5 satellite? My HOA is restricting me to two dishes and I already have a D* dish for my main channels and a E* dish for international channels.
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I have not tested this mind you, but if what I have read here on this forum is correct that the lnb is the same, then yes it should work keeping a few things in mind:

If you are currently using your 61.5 dish for DishNet, you will need to put in a 2x4 standard multiswitch between the outputs on the 61.5 lnb and the SW64 you are using for Dish. Then you can use the other 2 outputs of the 2x4 switch for Voom.

Only other issue I can think of is that in the 61.5 orbital slot, the birds are stacked on top of each other, so I suppose in theroy adjusting the elevation slightly might improve signal quality, however DTV uses the same configuration for 1S/2/3 at 101, so maybe not.

If you are not using Dish than I don't see any problems, and I would assume the use of standard dual lnb's and multiswitches could be used to have as many Voom receivers as you wanted. I had thought that maybe since they are currently running only odd transponders that they could just use a single lnb and high frequency splitters, but seems like that might not be the case when they get additional licenses to turn on more transponders.

If anyone has tested this let me know.

Also, has anyone thought that maybe Voom is nothing but cablevision's way to supplement services to their cable customers, and selling it to non cablevision customers is just spreading out their costs. I have always told my customers that if you want the best in programming options, cable and satellite both have good qualities, so maybe cablevision sees Voom as a way to fill the need of high def, while keeping analog channels, VOD and other services on the cable system. Isn't the #1 problem with not just satellite systems but also MSO's capacity?

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Just got a call from the Installers to say ALL the installations for the 22 nd Oct are canceled and install will take place on the 4th November.

Wonder what's going on??

Really do want Voom and hope its not a major problem.

Cheers and Cheers to VOOM

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Moto had to recall the receivers. This would confirm Sears problems were due to hardware.

Anybody remember when a replacement for a satcom satellite was scheduled to coincide with the Western Cable Show? All the major cable networks had displays at their booths announcing they were now on the new bird. Only the bird didn't make its intended slot. It disappeared. So I guess when it comes to satellite technology it really is rocket science.
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Heres a question, can you get it without the SD "Favorites". I would like to make it clear that my money is to be solely used for the production and distribution of HD content only, and I would also prefer not to still be supporting networks like Oxygen etc.

Where's the HD porn already, thats the killer app here.....

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Just got a call from the Installers to say ALL the installations for the 22 nd Oct are canceled and install will take place on the 4th November.

Wonder what's going on??

Really do want Voom and hope its not a major problem.

Cheers and Cheers to VOOM

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Another note on my last post:

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a Dish Network installer, and he said in theory, the only way what I described would work (sharing the 61.5 dish for Disnnet and VOOM) is if you are using the older style legacy LNB and multi switch, such as the SW64. If you have any equipment that is labeled "DishPro" it is probably not going to work because of the non standard signaling it uses.

If anyone actually tries this or have any other insight let me know.

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I also got a similar call. Installation will be rescheduled to Nov. 4th.

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Yup, just got my call too. I too am scheduled for the 4th. The installer admitted they're updating software. I guess we can look at this as a potentially good thing.
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In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Wilt Hildenbrand of VOOM wrote:

"Pretty simple. We met today and decided that a bunch of issues were lining up to where we wouldn't want to install, or actually begin them in earnest, on Wednesday. Funny thing, when you first push on this stuff a bunch of things show up as little cracks. There is a load of code we want in the boxes before paying customers get them--even in preview mode, There were some missing process pieces that we need to plug in to keep installs running smoothly and timely, There were some pure workload items and an avalanche of orders that were hitting hard and everyone needed to take a breath. In the end we decided to push now, and possibly disappoint a bit but make the experience, when it occurred, a good one rather than a tenuous one. One of those things that would have been obvious in retrospect so we decided to take it head on. Sorry about the delay, it won't be longer than that, the stuff is all just details and all in reach....really."

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In the end we decided to push now, and possibly disappoint a bit but make the experience, when it occurred, a good one rather than a tenuous one. One of those things that would have been obvious in retrospect so we decided to take it head on. Sorry about the delay, it won't be longer than that, the stuff is all just details and all in reach....really."
Whoever this person is that apparently works for Voom knows nothing about customer behavior. How can you "push now and possibly disappoint" and also "make the experience...a good one?"

If the service was not ready why did they launch? What was the significance of October 15? Could it have not waited a few more weeks, we're not that close to the holiday buying season. Someone needs to tell them the old adage "you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression"

This is just a typical move that an MSO (cable operators such as Cable Vision) would make. Which reminds me, this is getting old! I can name a handful of products I saw at CEDIA that were shown as ready to ship and then "oops, sorry its not available yet"

I hope Voom is nothing but a success god knows we need the HD content, but this has customer disenfranchisement written all over it, we CAN NOT afford to have any more consumer confusion with High Definition.

Thoughts are always welcome- if you think the people at Voom don’t read this you are wrong, help them out, tell them what you think!

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Whoever this person is that apparently works for Voom knows nothing about customer behavior.
He's the VP of Engineering.

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Somehow think that delaying implementation 2 weeks to make the system less buggy makes sense.

However, if the receivers were recalled to fix problems, it doesn't sound like 2 weeks will be enough.

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Saw Voom at my local Sears tonight.
PQ really sucked. Pixelated bad.
The programs sucked even worse.
Geez, everything their running is 10 years old or more.
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Saw Voom at my local Sears tonight.
PQ really sucked. Pixelated bad.
The programs sucked even worse.
Geez, everything their running is 10 years old or more.
Makes you wonder what programming they are going to offer during the free trial period. If they're not collecting any subscription revenue, how are they going to buy quality programming??:confused:

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On another forum, VOOM indicated the channel availability/selection on Sears boxes is purposedly limited to meet the chain's PG requirement.

Wilt did say that there should be at least a few different channels available.
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On another forum, VOOM indicated the channel availability/selection on Sears boxes is purposedly limited to meet the chain's PG requirement.

Well that should eliminate about 7/10ths of all the available programming.

Makes more sense to install a v chip. Otherwise the limited programming will handicap the company too much.

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Whoever this person is that apparently works for Voom knows nothing about customer behavior. How can you "push now and possibly disappoint" and also "make the experience...a good one?"

If the service was not ready why did they launch? What was the significance of October 15? Could it have not waited a few more weeks, we're not that close to the holiday buying season. Someone needs to tell them the old adage "you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression"

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I'm very disappointed that their HD lineup does not include MSG HD and FOX Sports HD. These channels are only available to Cablevision Digital Cable subscribers in the NYC area. If I could get the Knicks and Ranger home games in HD I would sign up tomorrow.
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Rainbow DBS had to start service prior to December 31, 2003; otherwise, it would have lost its license to offer MVPD service using the DBS spectrum at the 61.5 orbital slot.
I was wondering how many here made this connection. VOOM is being forced to market. Incomplete or not, they have to be here by 2004.
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On another forum, VOOM indicated the channel availability/selection on Sears boxes is purposedly limited to meet the chain's PG requirement.
The STBs supposedly have ratings limits built in (like most others). That would seem like a wiser way to limit to PG, if that's what they want to do. I've never used ratings limits, but I would think that if they were being used, there'd be some kind of message that would indicate WHY the channel wasn't being received.

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It is far more common than not for retailers NOT to have the movie channels activated regardless of the sat provider. It is very rare that I've seen retail setups of Dish or D* in which movies are accessible. So this is certainly not something unique to VOOM.
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I have to agree with Beatles6. I am an avid Ranger fan living in RI, and I get the Rangers on D*'s Center Ice package. Unfortunately, at the beginning of every Ranger telecast comes the announcement, "Tonight's High Definition broadcast comes to you courtesy of Panasonic." If I could get those HD broadcasts on Voom, I, too, would sign up in a minute.

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I just got the reschedule call as well - now I am set up for 11/6. They said it was an equipment problem. :confused:
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Frankly, I'm amazed at how many in this group are willing to give Sears and Voom so many breaks. You're kinder folk than I. After all, this is a service that by its very nature had to be geared specifically toward early adopters. To put out such junk, with such a small percentage of the programming they had hyped, and to allow Sears to take over with so little preparation/training/oversight is truly pathetic. Why on earth didn't they take the time to prepare this launch properly? When you know that the majority of your potential customers are knowledgeable enthusiasts who will check it out in its first few days of availability, you are almost guaranteeing a flop by not troubleshooting the operation thoroughly before launchdate. It's worse than the Keystone Kops.
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Andrew, your points are valid, but as has been brought out before, they were under the gun to launch this service before the end of the year or they would have lost their liscense for the operation. They will supposedly have at least 21 HD channels up by the time the first install happens. I still look at this as 21 HD channel I don't currently have. I've got another week before my installation to see how this spinoff shakes out and if it still looks viable.
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Regarding programming, doesn't this depend on what the network is doing?? i.e. if TBN isn't HD equipped, there's no way Zoom or anybody else can get HD out of them.

Given this, just how many networks are HD equipped?

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Jim, the detail you've missed is the fact that the majority of their HD programming is in-house. 10 of their HD channels are movie channels that apparently will have a high repeat rate, kinda like PPV, except most likely not new release movies like PPV. They have also created some "special interest" HD channels, like music channels, a newsbyte channel, etc. This has been one of the biggest debates on this service... some want it because of the quantity of HD, while others are skeptical of the value because of the unknown quality of content, and how much that content will be repeated.

As far as major network programming, they don't really have an edge on DirecTV/Dish/Comcast, though I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled ahead for a while.

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Some breaking news articles on this venture:

Cablevision Says It Will Spin Off Satellite Unit and 3 Channels (New York Times)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/bu...partner=GOOGLE

Cablevision plans unit spin-off (Financial Times)
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1066565332875

Cablevision Systems Inc. Oct. 23 8-K Filing (Newsday)
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-c...ness-headlines

Street waiting for Voom to find its wings (Hollywood Reporter)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...treet_talk.jsp

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