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It still will require connecting your existing cable wiring to the MDU ONT? What happens if your cable company company refuses access to their cable connection box? I know, in some buildings, the cable companies claim they legally own the internal cable wiring up until entry to the apartment.

They may claim it but the law states that all wiring belongs to the customer or the apartment complex owners. If they a locked box they must provide a way to allow Verizon to disconnect it or they must disconnect it when the customer cancels service and they must also do it within the next business. This means that most cable companies allow the cable to be disconnected from their boxes because they don't want to send a truck roll everytime a customer disconnects.

Again they may claim it but you never hear about them winning or bringing this into court. The reason why is because they can win but they will endup losing like I said. If they brought it to court they would again be forced to disconnect the customers coax cables from their boxes via a truck roll.
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Dont know if this has been mentioned at all, but it's definately true about VZ and one HD premium--STarz HD!

Heres the quote and the link----hope they add Cinemax HD also. It also says "later this year"

Verizon formed a long-term affiliation agreement with Starz Entertainment Group for the SEG premium movie channels and services. Under the agreement, Verizon will be able to carry East and West Coast feeds of all 13 SEG movie channels on Verizon FiOS TV when it launches later this year. The programming includes the flagship Starz and Encore brands, Starz On Demand and Starz HDTV


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FACT---------ESPNHD and ESPN2HD on VZ FIOS.

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In Maryland I have FIOS for high speed Internet service and it is fabulous. The interface box in my case was mounted inside my basement and has an interface for an RJ45 jack for Internet service and a coax connection for cable service. Since I am no longer using Comcast cable for high speed Internet service I can use the cable wiring in my house for FIOS video service once it is available in my area.

Here's an article from today's NY Times:

Verizon Introduces Fiber Optic TV Service

By KEN BELSON
Published: September 23, 2005

Verizon Communications began taking orders yesterday for its new television service, which the company hopes will draw business away from cable and satellite providers.

As part of a national strategy, about 9,000 Verizon customers in Keller, Tex., 30 miles west of Dallas, will be the first to subscribe to the television service, called FiOS TV. The service includes more than 180 digital video and music channels, 20 high-definition channels and video-on-demand for $39.95 a month, carried over fiber optic cables that were installed to replace older copper lines.

The service in Keller is part of Verizon's plan to compete head-on with cable companies that in the last 18 months have started selling digital phone lines. To keep customers from defecting, Verizon and SBC Communications are starting to sell digital programming to complement their phone and broadband services.

The companies have taken different routes. Verizon is spending billions of dollars to run fiber lines all the way to customers' homes - lines that also carry phone calls and broadband connections. SBC, by contrast, is running fiber lines to neighborhoods and using existing copper lines to reach homes.

Either way, the phone companies are trying to assemble bundles of phone, high-speed Internet and television services that match what the cable industry offers.

Verizon's new television product will include more local channels not often found on satellite systems, and customers can order additional programming based on a genre, like sports and movies.

"This is just the beginning of TV that rides on a wave of light into people's homes," Steve Banta, president of Verizon's southwest region, said.

The company plans to introduce FiOS TV in six other markets, including several in Florida, Virginia and California, by the end of the year, when its fiber optic network will be available to three million homes.

Verizon has signed deals to obtain programming rights from most major television and movie studios. The company also signed franchise agreements with individual municipalities in Texas before the state government passed a law this summer that would allow Verizon and others to obtain agreements from the Texas Public Utility Commission. Instead of negotiating with towns for an agreement, which can take up to 18 months, Verizon can get approval from the commission instead.

Texas, however, is the only state to pass such a law, which means Verizon must still negotiate deals with individual cities in other states.

Verizon expects to sign up 20 percent of homes that can receive FiOS service in Keller by the end of the year, according to Bob Ingalls, the president of the company's retail group.
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If its on eazement, its actualy not your yard and they dont have to fix it. sorry bud but thats the way it is.

that statement is 100% incorrect.

It is actually your yard and an easement holder has an obligation to maintain the easment and can be held liable for damages if they do not.
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They may claim it but the law states that all wiring belongs to the customer or the apartment complex owners. If they a locked box they must provide a way to allow Verizon to disconnect it or they must disconnect it when the customer cancels service and they must also do it within the next business. This means that most cable companies allow the cable to be disconnected from their boxes because they don't want to send a truck roll everytime a customer disconnects.

Again they may claim it but you never hear about them winning or bringing this into court. The reason why is because they can win but they will endup losing like I said. If they brought it to court they would again be forced to disconnect the customers coax cables from their boxes via a truck roll.


I live in a Coop (68 apartments) in Westchester, NY and our Coop board(Housing Association) has already granted Verizon permision to wire our building for FIOS. I know Verizon technicians have been here twice trying to figure out the best way to do it. Your information would seem to indicate that they will probably now wait until the new MDU ONTs are available. Our building is very old, but there was a major fire several years ago and everything was extensively renovated - including replacing all of the POTS lines and coax cabling. MDUs wired this way would make installation a dream. I currently have Cablevision, which I detest, and am salivating for the day I can get FIOS TV.
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They may claim it but the law states that all wiring belongs to the customer or the apartment complex owners. If they a locked box they must provide a way to allow Verizon to disconnect it or they must disconnect it when the customer cancels service and they must also do it within the next business. This means that most cable companies allow the cable to be disconnected from their boxes because they don't want to send a truck roll everytime a customer disconnects.

Again they may claim it but you never hear about them winning or bringing this into court. The reason why is because they can win but they will endup losing like I said. If they brought it to court they would again be forced to disconnect the customers coax cables from their boxes via a truck roll.

Longhorn,
This may not be as cut and dried as you are making it out to be. In our buildings case it certainly is not. I believe that the law you are referring to is the 1996 Telecommunications Act. This law basically provides a very comprehensive framework for either the individual condo owners, or the HOA as a whole, to purchase the "home wiring" and "home run wiring" from the incumbent service provider (i.e. cable company). If you take a close look at that document though, you will find that the provisions of the law can only be used when the incumbent provider no longer has a legally enforceable right to remain in the building.

In our case, the original contract that we signed with the cable company back in 1985 had wording to the effect that the cable company maintained complete ownership of "all" the wiring in the building, with no term specified. Because of this, they have a legally enforceable right (i.e. a signed contract) to operate, and also to preclude anyone from even thinking about using any of their wiring.

We had an MDU installer put in a DirecTv distribution system that made use of the cable comapnies "home run wiring" thinking that we were free to do this based specifically on our reading of the 1996 law. In the midst of trying to get them to open up their box so that we could hook the home runs up to the DirecTv system, their regional vice president shows up with lawyer in tow and says that if he sees or hears of anyone touching the wiring he is calling the police immediately, and shows us the contract to boot. Their position is that they own the wiring, and for us to challenge that it is incumbent upon us to take legal action. Remember, there is no access to the end of the home run wires as they are in the cableco box, which at a minimum has to be opened up to alow the wire to be connected to the DirecTv system.

One of the key points being that "we" are the ones that have to "take it to court" and not them. We are tring to get a contract invalidated, which in California requires Superior Court action. So, $17,000 in legal fees later there is still no provider in the building other than the cable company. Running all new home run wiring to the 50 units could have been done for about $12,000, in parallel to the cable wiring. We just found this out a few weeks ago.

Just want to make sure that no one reading this starts down the same path that we did only to end up getting spanked. Being in the right is one thing, proving it in court against someone with deep pockets is an entirely different matter.

If there are any lawyers perusing the thread who would care to help out a building full of people dying for an alternative to expensive cable television, please respond or PM me on this. This has been dragging on for 4 years and has caused an unbelievable amount of frustration and anger for all invloved.

Robert

P.S. To get somewhat back on topic I believe that the wiring that Verizon uses in the building will be their regular telephone wiring. Delivering the FiOS service over th eoriginal copper for the last hundred feet or so. I don't believe they would attempt to use the cable companies wiring. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Scott, how many games were on SportsNet this year? Are you talking about a few games or most of the NESN HD schedule? Thanks.

I would say most.

However I did not find them until a few weeks ago as usually I dont flip through all the expressvu sports stations.

Maybe someone else with ExpressVu who is a sports fan can shed some light of how many Red Sox HD games have been shown.

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If its on eazement, its actualy not your yard and they dont have to fix it. sorry bud but thats the way it is.

Actually, easement or not, unless it is a government agency that did it, a public or private company must return it to it's original state or better. Many people don't know that and think companies have a right of way that let's them do whatever they want. They let them get away with it.
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My Uncle lives in MuttonTown and has had FIOS for a few months already!

Right now, that's only for Internet. FiOS Internet is available in much of the North Shore of Long Island right now (but not where I live, yet).

They don't have and cable TV franchise licenses in NY yet. However, it appears likely that they will get their first one from Massapequa Park next Monday.
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P.S. To get somewhat back on topic I believe that the wiring that Verizon uses in the building will be their regular telephone wiring. Delivering the FiOS service over th eoriginal copper for the last hundred feet or so. I don't believe they would attempt to use the cable companies wiring. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]

That (POTS line)is true for the internet service as they would use a new advanced form of DSL to provide it. However, for the TV service they would still need to attach coax cable to the MDU ONT.
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This may not be as cut and dried as you are making it out to be. In our buildings case it certainly is not. I believe that the law you are referring to is the 1996 Telecommunications Act. This law basically provides a very comprehensive framework for either the individual condo owners, or the HOA as a whole, to purchase the "home wiring" and "home run wiring" from the incumbent service provider (i.e. cable company). If you take a close look at that document though, you will find that the provisions of the law can only be used when the incumbent provider no longer has a legally enforceable right to remain in the building.

In our case, the original contract that we signed with the cable company back in 1985 had wording to the effect that the cable company maintained complete ownership of "all" the wiring in the building, with no term specified. Because of this, they have a legally enforceable right (i.e. a signed contract) to operate, and also to preclude anyone from even thinking about using any of their wiring.

We had an MDU installer put in a DirecTv distribution system that made use of the cable comapnies "home run wiring" thinking that we were free to do this based specifically on our reading of the 1996 law. In the midst of trying to get them to open up their box so that we could hook the home runs up to the DirecTv system, their regional vice president shows up with lawyer in tow and says that if he sees or hears of anyone touching the wiring he is calling the police immediately, and shows us the contract to boot. Their position is that they own the wiring, and for us to challenge that it is incumbent upon us to take legal action. Remember, there is no access to the end of the home run wires as they are in the cableco box, which at a minimum has to be opened up to alow the wire to be connected to the DirecTv system.

One of the key points being that "we" are the ones that have to "take it to court" and not them. We are tring to get a contract invalidated, which in California requires Superior Court action. So, $17,000 in legal fees later there is still no provider in the building other than the cable company. Running all new home run wiring to the 50 units could have been done for about $12,000, in parallel to the cable wiring. We just found this out a few weeks ago.

Just want to make sure that no one reading this starts down the same path that we did only to end up getting spanked. Being in the right is one thing, proving it in court against someone with deep pockets is an entirely different matter.

If there are any lawyers perusing the thread who would care to help out a building full of people dying for an alternative to expensive cable television, please respond or PM me on this. This has been dragging on for 4 years and has caused an unbelievable amount of frustration and anger for all invloved.

Robert

P.S. To get somewhat back on topic I believe that the wiring that Verizon uses in the building will be their regular telephone wiring. Delivering the FiOS service over th eoriginal copper for the last hundred feet or so. I don't believe they would attempt to use the cable companies wiring. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.


I'm aware of all of this but just remember that unless the cable company has an exclusive deal with that apartment complex the company must disconnect any customer from their boxes within 1 business day at least in Florida. No matter what the cable companies contract says they don't nor will they ever own the wiring inside each apartment unit even if they installed it. Now they do own the locked box and if another company even touched a wire on this that is against the law. Now if a customer wants their service disconnected so say Verizon can offer them TV service the cable company is required to disconnect that customer from their boxes within a certain amount of time.

I think your entire issue happens to be dealing with that cable company having an exclusive deal with the complex and not so much the wiring. Their exclusive deal via contract most likely states that no other company can touch their wiring or boxes. Again its not because they own the wiring its because they have an exclusive deal. If they don't have an exclusive deal that complex could get fedup with them and say to remove their boxes. Because by law that cable company doesn't own the wring inside the apartments themselves they can only take their boxes. No court would ever allow a company to own the wires inside the units themselves. As long as the wiring is say inside my house I own it from that point on.

To give you an idea of how this law works I'll give you an example below.

Lets say I have a house built. Now I'm having one builder that might hire tons of subcontractors. Lets say if my builder hired a contractor to install the cable wiring inside the new house. Now lets say if the builder doesn't pay this subcontractor.

Now with all that said who do you think is responsable to pay for this. Well in the eyes of the law because I own the house and all the wiring inside it I could have a lien put on my house unless I myself paid this contractor that installed those coax cables. The builder can't be forced to pay in the laws eyes. The cable wiring contractor cannot go after the builder either.

The samething applies to an apartment complex. Whatever company/person who paid to have these apartments built will always have to pay if anything doesn't get paid by the builder.
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Hi Scott & LongHorn,

Just wondering if ANYONE knows the best site (******s; DSL Reports/Broadband Reports; etc?) to go to find out a lot of info about SBC Project Lightspeed/IPTV? Like pricing, channels, etc. I live in Southern CA. (Los Angeles AREA, San Gabriel Valley to be more precise). From last I heard, they were scheduled for November 2005.

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Microsoft is not going to have any working boxes untill next year.

My guess is that litespeed tv will not be avail untill this tiem next year
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Hi Scott & LongHorn,

Just wondering if ANYONE knows the best site (******s; DSL Reports/Broadband Reports; etc?) to go to find out a lot of info about SBC Project Lightspeed/IPTV? Like pricing, channels, etc. I live in Southern CA. (Los Angeles AREA, San Gabriel Valley to be more precise). From last I heard, they were scheduled for November 2005.

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Try the HDTV Locals Forum topic for your area.

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Here is a link to the LA local forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30

I just looked through the entire thread and it is 95% cable talk and 5% OTA talk. Nothing about Fios. But, I guess because it is the local thread that is where it should be discussed. I also started a thread about the SBC upgrade back when I first saw them laying cable:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=475354

Not much activity in that thread, and I see that according to the original timetable they do seem to be behind. I am also very interested in how this develops so let me know if you find another thread where this is discussed.

Also, back on topic, it looks like when these FIOS systems are deployed in MDU installations, that they either use the cable companies home run wiring or put in their own home run wires. I would really like to hear from an apartment or condo dweller in the FIOS area to see how they do it. I live in a condo and would like to know how SBC will get it in our building, or if they will even try. As others have mentioned, the SBC system is different from Verizons so the results may not apply to what would happen to us.

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Thank-you Ken AND Robert. That's so funny Robert that you just posted the link for me, I was just in the local forums starting to find "the" thread. Thanks again guys. Can't wait to hear what's coming.

Okay back on topic (Sorry for the "diversion").

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I've had Verizon FIOS since mid-summer. Admittedly, I freaked when the installer cut the copper, because I knew there was no going back. So far, FIOS delivers!

Fairfax Ct Board just awarded Verizon video distribution rights, so I'm seriously considering ditching Dish. Are there any AVSers who are subscribers to the FIOS video offering (not the DirecTV deal)? What's your experience? Do they have HD on Demand?

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I'm not even sure Fios video has been turned on yet. If it has been, I think it's limited to one small town in Texas at the moment.
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You are right, but it won't be long before other areas get activated.

I became a Fios customer last week. I have looked over the TV lineup from TX and honestly I don't see anything that would compell me to drop dish. They are not bad, but I'm not sure if they have enough to get me to switch. Plus I like the Baltimore HD channels which I get OTA which I know that Verizon will not carry for me.

There are two (or three) things that would get me to budge.

1. PQ - If Verizon stomps all over Dish's SD PQ, then I might bite.
2. VOD - If there is an impressive VOD offering, then I might bite.
3. HD Lineup - If the HD line up expands dramatically, then I might bite.

I will have to say that thier montly DVR is too high for me. So I would have to re-eval the monthly costs before deciding on moving.

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Plus I like the Baltimore HD channels which I get OTA which I know that Verizon will not carry for me.

Why do you think the Local HD's arent going to be part of FIOS?
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Verizon is pushing FIOS up here in Northern Westchester. Broadband internet service is available in some areas, with video service comming soon.

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From everything that has been said before, FiOS TV will carry all the local HD and SD channels. I can recall that was one of their promo points.

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I've had the Fios broadband since June or so. It hasn't even so much as hiccuped once. In looking at what the initial lineup is in D/FW, I'll drop dish in a heartbeat. They are offering the local networks in HD, so that means no more freaking antennas for me. My ABC is broadcasting in VHF to make matters worse. The picture quality is said to kill satellite & cable as well. I have also heard mention of 6 tuner DVR's. That would be amazing.

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Just for clarification.

I am in the Wash D.C. DMA. So the local cable companies only carry the Wash locals (both SD and HD). The same holds true for D* & E*. So while I do expect that Verizon will have Wash HD locals, I don't think that the Baltimore HD locals (which are Grade A contour OTA) will be offered in the lineup for my county.

Note: a long time ago (pre-1990) the predcessor to Comcast here did carry Baltimore locals, but dropped them later on.

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Just for clarification.

I am in the Wash D.C. DMA. So the local cable companies only carry the Wash locals (both SD and HD). The same holds true for D* & E*. So while I do expect that Verizon will have Wash HD locals, I don't think that the Baltimore HD locals (which are Grade A contour OTA) will be offered in the lineup for my county.

Note: a long time ago (pre-1990) the predcessor to Comcast here did carry Baltimore locals, but dropped them later on.

Baltimores OTA market isn't much different then Pittsburgh which OTA is Grade A, but Comcast still has all the local HD's. Verizon is going to lock up contracts with all the Local Companies, why wouldn't they be national contracts? And as a poster stated earlier, one of the big selling points of FIOS TV is ALL HD Locals.
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I've had Verizon FIOS since mid-summer. Admittedly, I freaked when the installer cut the copper, because I knew there was no going back. So far, FIOS delivers!

Fairfax Ct Board just awarded Verizon video distribution rights, so I'm seriously considering ditching Dish. Are there any AVSers who are subscribers to the FIOS video offering (not the DirecTV deal)? What's your experience? Do they have HD on Demand?

J.Mike Ferrara, I happen to read this article about a response from a Verizon FiOS TV customer from Keller, TX to a question from I4U News about anyone in Keller, Texas getting Verizon FiOS TV. Also shows some photo's of the installation.
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Baltimores OTA market isn't much different then Pittsburgh which OTA is Grade A, but Comcast still has all the local HD's. Verizon is going to lock up contracts with all the Local Companies, why wouldn't they be national contracts? And as a poster stated earlier, one of the big selling points of FIOS TV is ALL HD Locals.

He wasn't saying they will not have a deal with Baltimore stations, only that with him being in the Wash. DC DMA, he is not likely to get Baltimore stations in addition to his DC locals.
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I currently have the Verizon FIOS internet service, and love it. I DO plan to drop Comcast and go to Verizon FIOS TV when it is available in my area, due to all of the HD channels it will be carrying. I am really looking forward to it and hope they get it here soon!
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