Originally Posted by sangs
Well, since the FiOS VMS system literally just hit the streets this month, I'm not really sure how you can claim the Tivo "has superior functionality to." It very well may, but until there are enough VMS systems in the field to make a valid comparison, that just sounds like typical Tivo fanboydom. (And again, I have a Tivo Roamio/Mini setup, so you can't play the "You Don't Know Tivo!" card.) FiOS has plans for the VMS system that go beyond just transmitting programs to our TVs. How will it play out? Guess we'll see.
No one else on the market has Wishlists or suggestions. I think DirecTV has something like Wishlists, and I've heard that their DVRs are a pretty good second to TiVos. Also, none of the MSO systems have nearly the amount of storage that TiVo does. TiVo has up to 3TB in one box, and you can have several boxes if you want more storage and more tuners. Cablevisions 14 tuner DVR? TiVo scales up to 60 tuners and 30TB (80TB with modified TiVos) of disk storage. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but the point is that it's effectively unlimited in real world use. You can also use TiVo desktop of kmttg to pull stuff off to a computer, server, or NAS for more storage. TiVo can already stream to mobile devices, and the best solution on the market for any provider is Slingbox, due to their proprietary compression algorithms. Not that watching TV on a tiny screen is very attractive in the first place...
Originally Posted by joblo
In your opinion.
I own 12 TiVos from Series 1 through 4, about 8 or 9 of which are in production at any given time. I also rent one FiOS Motorola, and one Cox SA, and I have close friends with Comcast and Uverse DVRs.
Are you is Westerly or South County by chance? I know that this area (New London/Groton/Westerly) has all those providers between the two states.
I’ve tried a Roamio, but so far I’m not buying Series 5s, because I think the TiVo HDUI is by far the most obnoxious UI I have ever seen, when it comes to pushing ads for programs and other products. An MSO DVR might have one program ad on screen while you’re looking at the guide or menus. Cox doesn’t do ads at all except in OnDemand menus, and you can easily bypass those with deep links to favorites. But TiVo puts 4 to 6 “suggestions” on screen through much of its menu system. I think they have deliberately made the Series 4 SD menus slower in order to push people to the HD menus, and they’ve removed some quick navigation options entirely from the HD menus to keep the “suggestions” (really ads) on screen longer.
They are so easy to ignore. The Premieres should have basically the same software as the Roamios. The SDUI was kind of useless in comparison to the HDUI all along anyways.
TiVo is a company that bought its peace with copyright and IP extremists by becoming a Hollywood shill, relentlessly pushing product at their subscribers and presenting this as a service to the subscribers, even when those subscribers do everything possible to say they are not interested.
Huh? They do act like patent trolls in terms of their technology even though they aren't technically patent trolls, since they do sell an actual product. I have no clue what you're talking about in regards to becoming a Hollywood shill, even though much of Hollywood is IP extremists to the point that they have hurt their own interests, but that has nothing to do with TiVo.
That said, TiVo does have advantages. For me, the main ones are the ability to archive programming and transfer it from machine to machine, so I don’t lose it if a machine or hard drive fails, and that I can take any TiVo from my house to any other place I want and play the recordings on any TV, with no need for an MSO connection or signal of any kind. I don’t know of any MVPD DVR that allows this.
But TiVo has disadvantages, too. The setup is longer and more involved than with most MSO DVRs, because a TiVo doesn’t know to what system it’s connected, until the user tells it. TiVo’s manual recording capabilities are primitive compared to most other DVRs today, because manual recording is against the TiVo philosophy and they don’t want you to do it. The HDUI actually makes manual programming much more difficult to manipulate. While MSO DVRs have steadily improved in this area over the years, TiVo has actually regressed.
You shouldn't need to use manual recording for almost anything, and it is easy to do if you do have to do it once in a blue moon. I have a manual recording to pick up HBO docs on Monday nights, since they aren't listed as a season.
But again, TiVo is a Hollywood shill, so if you confine your recordings to big name Hollywood product on the big name broadcast and cable nets, the guide data will be pretty good, and you largely won’t need manual recordings, anyway. It’s only when you move away from the Hollywood mainstream, to foreign language, religious, news, cable access, educational, low power, and other lesser viewed channels, that manual programming becomes essential because the TMS guide data is so consistently inaccurate, unreliable, or just plain uninformative.
I could go on for pages writing actual unbiased comparisons of TiVo with other DVRs, but this is a FiOS thread, and I would never convince the TiVophiles of anything, anyway. TiVophilia is practically a religion at this point, and nothing could convince a True TiVophile that the product they so love is not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The guide data is what they get from their providers, and of course it is better for the most popular cable channels. No one watches local cable access (I used to work for one, and no one watched it unless they were kids looking for a snow day announcement, and even that is online now anyways). There is no guide data available for that stuff anyways. Most low power stations aren't even on cable, and the few old people who watch religious channels don't have TiVos anyways.
Originally Posted by aaronwt
Yes. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've needed to schedule a manual recording on my TiVos over the last 12.5 years. It's been an extremely rare occurrence. Just like a missed recording has been extremely rare. But it takes two hands to count the number of times I've missed a recording on my TiVos over the last 12.5 years.
Exactly. It's pretty rare, and when it is necessary, it's easy to do so.