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post #18991 of 19000 Old 08-22-2016, 06:32 PM
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So can't we say most or all of this for all of the cable companies? Why just pick on Verizon? If you step back and think about it, if we never had FiOS who knows how crappy our service from the cable companies would be without that competition! Oh and yes I used to work for Verizon and yes there are a lot of really talented and caring people who created and support FiOS but the reason why you don't see a flood of new technology from the cable companies is because of the cost. The mainstream population doesn't want to pay for it and the problem is that the content providers keep raising the cost of programming which drives up the companies costs. Could the cable companies still lower prices and make less profit, sure but that still wouldn't close the gap. I believe we will start seeing 4K and other technologies once these companies switch to IPTV. At the end of the day, FiOS isn't perfect but when you compare side by side with the cable companies, the PQ is usually much better even with all the compression, etc.. Once we get to IPTV I hope all these issues will go away and we will get an even better picture. We will have to wait and see what happens.
It's even more pathetic for FIOS since cable is very bandwidth constrained. Cable could and should do more to deal with their bandwidth crunch, but FIOS has effectively zero bandwidth limitations, since they can use IPTV if they wanted to, which on GPON, has no practical limits for 4k, HD, etc, etc. FIOS hasn't even converted to MPEG-4 for most channels, and they've just compressed the channels more. Sure, cable is far worse, so FIOS has the edge there, but only by being less bad, not by actually being good. With GPON FTTH, they could be sending IPTV streams directly off of C-Band like Google Fiber is. They could also offer symmetrical gigabit to any customer that currently has the equipment for 150/150 or above installed, but they won't.

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If the FCC ever passes their STB ruling maybe I can get rid of the Fios STBs one day?
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No thanks. Tivo = walled garden. Silicondust allows me to manipulate/save anything I want in the clear that's not DRM (e.g. HBO & Fox).
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My FiOS story. I was a CV customer for over 20 years. As soon as internet was available, I rushed to The Wiz (CV used them as a pick-up for the modems). As soon as DVR was available, I went to the CV store to switch out my SA4200HD. For the last couple of years, I paid the extra $5 for boost (50/25). A no brainer IMO.

All this time I kept hearing from friends, family, colleagues how great FiOS is. I signed up for the email notification as to when they would enter my building. That was three years ago.

So late last year (November 2015) installation was complete! I was pumped. Sales teams arrived at the lobby of my building to start signing people up. I talked to a rep who asked me if I'm a sports fan. I said "Of course! Huge Yankee fan" (I live in the Bronx). He then proceeded to tell me that "I will see the stitches on a fastball going 100mph!" It took every fiber of my being to not roll my eyes. I told him I would take the literature upstairs and get back to him. To be honest, the conversation left me a little cold.

I decided to do this online for obvious reasons. Especially because if done online, you save install fees. At the time the current offer was a $400 VISA card if I sign a 2-year contract. For $129 a month I get 50/50 Mbps, Digital Voice, HBO, Showtime, Starz. The bill goes up to $209 for the 2nd year.

Once I got through ALL those options, I had to leave a $250 deposit that is refundable after the 1st year as long as my account is in good standing. More cold feelings. I call BS since there's no deposit required if I forgo the contract and the $400 VISA promo. I then decided to call CV to get them to lower my bill. Why not? There’s competition now. And they did by $50.

That was seven months ago. I decided to give FiOS another shot. And this time I got the deal I want sans contract, sans deposit and sans Visa card. No big deal. My wife would’ve just spend it anyway LOL!

What was the tipping point for me leaving CV? The Samsung MDVR. I was having a lot of issues with the SA8300HD that served me well for over 10 years. They suggested I go for the Samsung. Of course they do. It’s $4 more p/month. But I can record up to 15 shows at once with no conflicts. Sounded great! Boy was I wrong! It is an absolute horrible experience. The playback response is so bad I felt it was not worth it. So instead of going back to the traditional DVR, I signed up for FiOS.

I got the Extreme HD w/hard drive based DVR (non-Quantum), 100/100 internet and voice. At least the hard drive is 500GB. The CV one was 80GB I believe. Maybe 160GB. So it is a big upgrade. The biggest thing to get used to is the Guide and menu system. It is pretty daunting and a huge learning curve. It’s been three weeks now and I am still learning new things.

Believe it or not the speed does not feel twice as fast. I was getting 50/25 from CV. And it was pretty good. Also, I give the CV PQ a slight edge. You heard that right! CV called me the next day to try to get me back. I told them that I’ve been a customer for over 20 years and felt it was time for a change. I also said “who knows, I may be back”. He took it well and wished me luck. We shall see. I’m glad I’m not locked for two years. And my advise is to seriously consider that. A lot of people get seduced by the deal that requires a contract. I cannot easily be seduced…LOL!

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No thanks. Tivo = walled garden. Silicondust allows me to manipulate/save anything I want in the clear that's not DRM (e.g. HBO & Fox).
TiVo is the best DVR ever made, hands down. Silicondust is interesting in theory, except that their DVR software in unproven (is it even widely available yet ?), and Windows MCE died with Windows 10, and was awful in the first place. In my case here in CT, we don't have FIOS, so I will probably be giving up my TiVo at some point in favor of DirecTV.
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TiVo is the best DVR ever made, hands down. Silicondust is interesting in theory, except that their DVR software in unproven (is it even widely available yet ?), and Windows MCE died with Windows 10, and was awful in the first place. In my case here in CT, we don't have FIOS, so I will probably be giving up my TiVo at some point in favor of DirecTV.
There is so much wrong and FUD about your post that is hard to know where to begin.
  1. I've been using Silicondust HDHomeRun Primes DVR for close to a year. It has steadily improved and works well. Is it perfect? No, but it keeps getting better.
  2. I used Windows MCE for years and contrary to your assertions, many users believed it to be the ultimate DVR solution.
  3. Obviously you are a Tivo bigot without firsthand knowledge of other products.
  4. Finally, please tell me how I can save/archive copies of my recordings to external media without going through backflips. With MCE and now Silicondust, I can save/archive the direct MPEG2 files to hard disks or Blu-ray data discs for posterity. I'm not aware that Tivo allows you to do this in any form?
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TiVo's best days may be behind them. Especially with Rovi at the helm. And so far the Rovi guide data transitions is a disaster!

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TiVo is the best DVR ever made, hands down. Silicondust is interesting in theory, except that their DVR software in unproven (is it even widely available yet ?), and Windows MCE died with Windows 10, and was awful in the first place. In my case here in CT, we don't have FIOS, so I will probably be giving up my TiVo at some point in favor of DirecTV.
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There is so much wrong and FUD about your post that is hard to know where to begin.
  1. I've been using Silicondust HDHomeRun Primes DVR for close to a year. It has steadily improved and works well. Is it perfect? No, but it keeps getting better.
  2. I used Windows MCE for years and contrary to your assertions, many users believed it to be the ultimate DVR solution.
  3. Obviously you are a Tivo bigot without firsthand knowledge of other products.
  4. Finally, please tell me how I can save/archive copies of my recordings to external media without going through backflips. With MCE and now Silicondust, I can save/archive the direct MPEG2 files to hard disks or Blu-ray data discs for posterity. I'm not aware that Tivo allows you to do this in any form?
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To be fair, I haven't used SiliconDust's DVR software. Maybe it's all great and amazing, and as good as TiVo. But I can directly address MCE. MCE is a nightmare. I had it for a couple of months before I gave up on it and got a TiVo like I should have in the first place. It is unreliable, the interface sucks, it's confusing as all get-out to change settings, and there are basically no good remotes out there for it, compared to TiVo , where you get the Peanut, which is the best remote ever made. I dislike TiVo the company, but the TiVo product is best-in-class, with the exception of the awful cable TV services it has to connect to, but that's out of their control.

Through TiVo Desktop, you can extract video and save it on a computer or other media, although DVRs really aren't meant to be archival devices. MCE encrypts their files by default as well, do either way you have to jump through a few hoops to decrypt them. Yes, with MCE you're already on the computer, but there are tools out there that make it relatively easy on TiVo.

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TiVo's best days may be behind them. Especially with Rovi at the helm. And so far the Rovi guide data transitions is a disaster!
There are definitely some issues with TiVo. They are also slow as molasses to add features, but no one else even bothers to compete in the space, so TiVo is still the best
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It's even more pathetic for FIOS since cable is very bandwidth constrained. Cable could and should do more to deal with their bandwidth crunch, but FIOS has effectively zero bandwidth limitations, since they can use IPTV if they wanted to, which on GPON, has no practical limits for 4k, HD, etc, etc. FIOS hasn't even converted to MPEG-4 for most channels, and they've just compressed the channels more. Sure, cable is far worse, so FIOS has the edge there, but only by being less bad, not by actually being good. With GPON FTTH, they could be sending IPTV streams directly off of C-Band like Google Fiber is. They could also offer symmetrical gigabit to any customer that currently has the equipment for 150/150 or above installed, but they won't.



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I hear you but the bottom line is that Verizon is going to only offer services that customers are willing to pay for and not what the capabilities of the technology can offer. I'm sure there are a lot of tech savvy customers like you who would be willing to pay a little more for premium services but the vast majority will not. As time goes on, i'm sure we will see faster speeds and IP TV. BTW they are now offering 100/100 mbs for the basic package here in NY which they just introduced recently. Having sold FiOS for about 8 years, I can tell you that for most people, 100/100 is overkill but I agree it is nice to have options for those who want to pay for them.

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I hear you but the bottom line is that Verizon is going to only offer services that customers are willing to pay for and not what the capabilities of the technology can offer. I'm sure there are a lot of tech savvy customers like you who would be willing to pay a little more for premium services but the vast majority will not. As time goes on, i'm sure we will see faster speeds and IP TV. BTW they are now offering 100/100 mbs for the basic package here in NY which they just introduced recently. Having sold FiOS for about 8 years, I can tell you that for most people, 100/100 is overkill but I agree it is nice to have options for those who want to pay for them.
So their only marketing now is that they are NOT [insert incumbent cable provider here]? They should have differentiated themselves with gigabit internet and kept the absolute best picture quality possible, but they didn't do either. Now they have nothing to differentiate, so they are just another provider. They haven't used their inherent bandwidth advantage to keep ahead of the cable companies in a meaningful way. Even with QAM-based video, they could have gone to MPEG-4 entirely for HD with 4 HD's per QAM, and offered gigabit symmetrical for $70/mo, and cable would not have been able to even touch that. But they decided to just offer what cable offered, and just be basically another cable company.
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To be fair, I haven't used SiliconDust's DVR software. Maybe it's all great and amazing, and as good as TiVo. But I can directly address MCE. MCE is a nightmare. I had it for a couple of months before I gave up on it and got a TiVo like I should have in the first place. It is unreliable, the interface sucks, it's confusing as all get-out to change settings, and there are basically no good remotes out there for it, compared to TiVo , where you get the Peanut, which is the best remote ever made. I dislike TiVo the company, but the TiVo product is best-in-class, with the exception of the awful cable TV services it has to connect to, but that's out of their control.

Through TiVo Desktop, you can extract video and save it on a computer or other media, although DVRs really aren't meant to be archival devices. MCE encrypts their files by default as well, do either way you have to jump through a few hoops to decrypt them. Yes, with MCE you're already on the computer, but there are tools out there that make it relatively easy on TiVo.
Yikes, not much of this is true regarding WMC.
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