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post #1351 of 2161 Old 05-12-2010, 08:22 PM
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Watching KHQ/6 & KAYU/28 from Spokane on satellite, the local news is letterboxed for the SD signal (no option to "zoom" for a 4x3 cropped image)- but NBC Nightly News and other HD programming are cropped ...
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On May 10th KFOX, here in El Paso, TX, upgraded their news to widescreen at least. The picture quality looks good, but I'm not sure if it's HD.
So I'm putting some screenshots here so you all can tell whether it's HD or not.







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Most of the real world wouldn't agree either, and that's what counts when it comes to getting those precious viewers during sweeps month.

Once everyone is doing it, and believe me they will soon, where are those viewers going to go? They'll either buy an HDTV or they'll accept what they're given. 4:3 is dead, what's retarded is letting old technology hold back progress.
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On May 10th KFOX, here in El Paso, TX, upgraded their news to widescreen at least. The picture quality looks good, but I'm not sure if it's HD.
So I'm putting some screenshots here so you all can tell whether it's HD or not.

Looks like widescreen SD to me.
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Once everyone is doing it, and believe me they will soon, where are those viewers going to go? They'll either buy an HDTV or they'll accept what they're given. 4:3 is dead, what's retarded is letting old technology hold back progress.

4:3 is not dead yet. I don't see that happening until around 2012, or whenever a specific cable provider decides to end analog broadcast, and eventually SDTV broadcast. At that time SDTV viewers are gonna have to adapt like OTA viewers did last year. And of course by that time there will be converter/adapter boxes like CECB, and the viewer can choose the output.

Of course my 'newest' 4:3 CRT set is from the late 90s, so I don't see that as an issue for me in 5-10 years, as someone else said on the last page.
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4:3 is not dead yet

Yes, it is.
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On May 10th KFOX, here in El Paso, TX, upgraded their news to widescreen at least. The picture quality looks good, but I'm not sure if it's HD.
So I'm putting some screenshots here so you all can tell whether it's HD or not.

I agree 100% with coyoteaz -- that's widescreen SD.
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4:3 is not dead yet.

As a transmission standard, it is all but dead. Cable and a couple of OTA stations maintain a 4:3 legacy path, but origination is more and more 16:9 now. Within that 16:9 you will have 4:3 SD programming that hasn't converted to HD locally upconverted, but the handwriting is on the wall. It isn't, "if" anymore, it is "when" and "when" is sooner than later.

Viewers on the other hand will try and milk their 4:3 sets as long as possible but as more and more 16:9 displays wind up in homes over the next few years, those 4:3 sets will be relegated to bedrooms, kitchens and and the dump making stations less and less prone to keep 4:3 safe zones. If I had to make a guess, I would say within 5 years, if things keep moving at the rate they are, 4:3 safe zones will be mostly a thing of the past.

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I don't see that happening until around 2012, or whenever a specific cable provider decides to end analog broadcast, and eventually SDTV broadcast. At that time SDTV viewers are gonna have to adapt like OTA viewers did last year. And of course by that time there will be converter/adapter boxes like CECB, and the viewer can choose the output.

When providers don't have to provide legacy 4:3 path, this will cause many people who have been on the fence about upgrading to go ahead and do it. You will have some who either just can't or won't upgrade and at that point, is when a station decides is it in their best interest to keep 4:3 safe zone or not. But by that point, just about all transmission and origination will be 16:9, even if it is AFD'ed by the station for the end user or modified in some way by the provider. For those viewers who will not upgrade for whatever reason, like those who had analog OTA and didn't get the converters or upgrade TV's last year at the Transition (and quite a few didn't), they will be out of luck.

In my own stations case, we are using AFD for 16:9 programming to letterbox (except for news which we do center cut since we are 4:3 safe zone for local news anyway since we do 16:9 news) and for 4:3 upconverted programming, AFD for center cut. That seems to be working out for those with OTA. Problem is, the MVPD's that pick up our signal refuse to use AFD for their SD subs and just center cut everything to keep from getting phone calls from their 4:3 subs. That is the real stumbling block for getting rid of 4:3 safe zone, the providers.

When talking to the local TWC headend engineer about AFD, he admitted they could do, had played with it, but when a letterbox program came on, he said the phones blow off the walls and so management decided to just keep all analog center cut to keep the phone calls down. Change THAT mentality and 4:3 safe zone will be a thing of the past pretty quick.

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I don't see that happening until around 2012,

That long, huh?

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On May 10th KFOX, here in El Paso, TX, upgraded their news to widescreen at least. The picture quality looks good, but I'm not sure if it's HD.
So I'm putting some screenshots here...

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Looks like widescreen SD to me.

I agree with coyoteaz and videojanitor.

• KFOX (Fox) in El Paso, TX added to the Not HD News list.

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WWL-TV in New Orleans, LA are now broadcasting in 16x9 widescreen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...57741&page=249
http://www.wwltv.com/home/Watch-Live.html
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• WWL (CBS) in New Orleans, LA added to the Not HD News list.

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I agree 100% with coyoteaz -- that's widescreen SD.

Wikipedia confirms it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFOX-TV
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Keeping in mind that the Wikipedia article was changed after the posts here and had no citation, so the change was probably made by someone who read it here.
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Just sitting here attempting to watch WRLH/Fox/Richmond, VA in HD - Nope - OTA is 4x3 cropped (and not good cropping at that on original 4x3 sourced video pillarboxed).

I can tell that they're using the HD studio and producing it in HD (from WWBT), but what's being fed to WRLH isn't HD for "Fox News at Ten"...

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So, compubit, you're saying WRLH shouldn't be in the HD News table — and not even in the 16:9 list?

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Correct - No HD, no 16:9 for WRLH.

Obviously, WWBT has the facilities for HD, but probably doesn't have a way to send the HD studio feed to WRLH.

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• WRLH (Fox) in Richmond, VA removed from he Local Over-the-air HDTV News Stations table.

(It seems that I added it on 21 Feb 2010 — exactly 3 months ago.)

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Correct - No HD, no 16:9 for WRLH.

Obviously, WWBT has the facilities for HD, but probably doesn't have a way to send the HD studio feed to WRLH.

Unfortunately, the same thing happens with most of the other stations that produce newscasts for stations that do not otherwise share the same studio facilities. The news-share of WCSC (CBS) and WTAT (Fox) in Charleston, SC is a good example of this. It is also possible that the "lesser" stations in the two examples (WRLH and WTAT) are not currently equipped to broadcast syndicated or local programming in HD or even 16:9 SD.

Also, WTVG in Toledo, OH was mistakenly placed in the HD table. It should have been placed in the Not HD News instead since its news programs are in 16:9 SD. (Even though I don't currently live in the Toledo area, I have already read previous posts for that station in this thread - and that's because I have kept up with the developments in this thread.)
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• WTVG moved to the Not HD News list at the end. Sorry, Toledo, now there are no HD news stations for you!

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WHO claims first local HD news in Iowa.
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• WHO (NBC) in Des Moines, Iowa added to the Local Over-the-air HDTV News Stations table.

A nit to pick: whotv.com claims that on May 19, 2010, WHO-HD aired the first HD commercial newscast in Iowa history. But KWWL (NBC) in Waterloo, Iowa started broadcasting HD news on April 11, 2010. Surely they're also a commercial station?

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WHO (NBC) in Des Moines, Iowa added to the Local Over-the-air HDTV News Stations table.

A nit to pick: whotv.com claims that on May 19, 2010, WHO-HD aired the first HD commercial newscast in Iowa history. But KWWL (NBC) in Waterloo, Iowa started broadcasting HD news on April 11, 2010. Surely they're also a commercial station?

I think WHO means that they're the first newscast in Iowa with studio and field shots in HD. (KWWL does not have field shots in HD.)
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I think WHO means that they're the first newscast in Iowa with studio and field shots in HD. (KWWL does not have field shots in HD.)

The same holds true with many if not most of the HD news stations owned or managed by the Tribune Company of Chicago (as far as presenting field video in full HD is concerned). And all of the stations owned by Local TV LLC (including WHO) are managed by Tribune. One of the exceptions to the HD field video rule seems to be WJW (Fox) in Cleveland, OH, which upgraded to HD while it was still owned by Fox (and as such appears to present field video in 16:9 EDTV).

KWWL, on the other hand, is not owned or operated by Tribune.
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Someone in the Bakersfield, CA HDTV thread said that that area's CBS affiliate, KBAK, is doing local news in 16:9 SD widescreen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=665
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KCPQ (Fox) went HD for studio cameras and weather graphics a few months ago.

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I'm assuming until further notice that KCPQ is still in 16:9 widescreen. There seems to be little incentive for them to invest in HD cameras and equipment, as Wikipedia says: "KCPQ will be the only Tribune-owned Fox station without an early evening or midday newscast, after September 21, 2009..."

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You be the judge if KCPQ is HD or not.

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Upconvert. Graphics don't even look HD.

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Trib is real big on having their stations do HD from the field. If KCPQ isn't doing HD from the field (including live shots), then based on other Trib stations, they are more than likely still SD widescreen.

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Agreed. Nothing in the KCPQ screen shot looks sharp enough to be HD.

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They do five hours of news in the mornings and an hour at 10.

I'll ask KCPQ. Seems like a better way to answer the question.

So, I asked a couple of people I know who work there. They said studio cameras, weather & traffic graphics are now in HD. And I emailed the station:

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To: Askus, Q13
Subject: HD News?

Are Q13's newscasts originated in HD these days? It seems like the studio shots and some of the graphics started looking sharper after you got the new set a few months ago.

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Yes.

Jay R. Zacharias
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• OK, KCPQ (Fox) in Seattle, WA has been removed from the Not HD News list and added to the main table in Local Over-the-air HDTV News Stations. (It was added to the Not HD News list on 5 May 2009.)

BTW, "looking sharper" is not the same as "looking like HD." However, the rule here is "If they say it's HD, it goes into the table."

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OK, KCPQ (Fox) in Seattle, WA has been removed from the Not HD News list and added to the main table in Local Over-the-air HDTV News Stations. (It was added to the Not HD News list on 5 May 2009.)



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BTW, "looking sharper" is not the same as "looking like HD." However, the rule here is "If they say it's HD, it goes into the table."

The "Yes" was in response to the question, "Are Q13's newscasts originated in HD these days?" I live in Seattle and I can assure you the HD portions look HD.
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