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Dolby Digital 2.0.

Jeopardy! HD is only fed in Dolby Surround. No DD5.1.

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With Friday's airing, you now know that the contestants are:

Dan Pawson
Aaron Schroeder
Larissa Kelly

After Monday's airing, the standings will be as follows (no, I wasn't at the taping).

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Dan Pawson: $22,301
Aaron Schroeder: $9,600
Larissa Kelly: $24,400


After Tuesday's airing, the final results are:

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Dan Pawson: $22,301 + $26,200 = $48,501 ($250,000)
Aaron Schroeder: $9,600 + $14,800 = $24,400 ($50,000)
Larissa Kelly: $24,400 + 6,800 = $31,200 ($100,000)


The Final Jeopardy! category: British Royalty

The clue is:

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Born in 1683, the second British king of this name was the last one not born in the British Isles


The correct response is:



It was a nailbiter of a finale.

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On the 12/01/09 show, at the end they pan over one of the desks. On said desk are three phones. On each of the handsets they have masking tape, upon which is written the phone number.

The phone number on the first phone is clearly visible. Oops.

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On WABC-DT the last three weeks the PQ on Jeopardy and Wheel, which run at 7pm anf 7:30pm has been awful.
The video looks like it's being taped by WABC and played back as 16:9 SD.
All the wide camera shots are full of macroblocking.
Does anyone who when the shows are feed to affiliates?
I know WABC does broadcast syndicated programming in HD and these shows are usually HD but they have not been recently.
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Does anyone who when the shows are feed to affiliates?

M-F, late in the morning, two days in advance. Why?

FYI, I only watch Jeopardy!, which is fed at a bitrate of about 35 Mbps. WoF is fed at the same rate. The MPEG-2 HD video looks great.

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On WABC-DT the last three weeks the PQ on Jeopardy and Wheel, which run at 7pm anf 7:30pm has been awful.
The video looks like it's being taped by WABC and played back as 16:9 SD.
All the wide camera shots are full of macroblocking.

They look fine to me on WABC via Cablevision.
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they are both in HD on WBTW now...
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WABC-DT has the same heavy macroblocking on wide shots OTA as it does on FiOS.
The blurry faces is not from the JPEG compression. It's the macroblocking.
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WABC-DT has the same heavy macroblocking on wide shots OTA as it does on FiOS.
The blurry faces is not from the JPEG compression. It's the macroblocking.

Looks like mosquito noise, resulting from overcompression. Macroblocking is normally a result of not enough bits to recreate the image because it has high motion. Look at all of the edges... mosquito noise.

Welcome to ABC forcing all of its O&O stations to have two HD streams and at least a SD stream. ATSC was not designed to do that, because it looks like crap.

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They look fine to me on WABC via Cablevision.

Cablevision must get a direct feed from WABC that doesn't have the compression of the OTA signal.

The head honchos at ABC and/or the O&Os probably figure that only people who are too poor to pay for TV watch OTA, and they do it on old CRTs that have crappy pictures anyway.
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Cablevision may get a direct feed to bypass possible transmitter or reception issues, but it's the exact same mux that goes out over the air. Cablevision pairs up the WABC and WLIW muxes, and there simply isn't enough room on a QAM channel to increase the bitrate.
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I've checked other non live syndicated programming on WABC and they don't have same issue that Jeopardy and Wheel have.
That's why I wonder if it's the way WABC is recording both shows that is lowering the quality during playback?
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Yes, I have noticed the degradation of PQ on Jeopardy recently.

WABC via Cablevision.
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I've checked other non live syndicated programming on WABC and they don't have same issue that Jeopardy and Wheel have.
That's why I wonder if it's the way WABC is recording both shows that is lowering the quality during playback?

It doesn't make any sense. They would capture the sat feed no different than any other HD sat feed.

Here is a still image from the July 16th feed, similar to the image framing that you posted. While the feed isn't perfect, the image quality is many times better than what you are seeing.

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Well if it's not the way they are capturing the shows then I have no idea what is causing the low PQ.
I guess the best thing for me to do is try to e-mail WABC about those shows.
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Well if it's not the way they are capturing the shows then I have no idea what is causing the low PQ.

How about because they are down converting from 1080i to 720p AND they are airing over an ATSC mux that is bitstarving the streams.

Don't know how good the 1080i -> 720p converter is, but I seriously doubt that is the issue (ABC wouldn't buy a cheap converter, would they?). Bitstarving the HD will cause issues.

One thing is for certain... the incoming is much better than the outgoing

At least you get to see it in HD. I'm probably the only one in this market that sees it in HD, because the station that has the rights can't do HD syndication. So they have to air the SD version that they get via Pathfire.

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Not only bitstarving, but statmuxing too. A shot like that with no motion and large solid areas is just begging to get killed when a high motion scene on LiveWell comes along.
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Not only bitstarving, but statmuxing too. A shot like that with no motion and large solid areas is just begging to get killed when a high motion scene on LiveWell comes along.

Good point. Forgot that WABC could be statmuxing their video streams.

Ya, there is so much in the way of action during Jeopardy! that it wants all it can get from the stat muxer

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Why is the PQ on Oprah, another HD syndicated show WABC airs, fine?
If Jeopardy and Wheel look bad then shouldn't the PQ on Oprah be bad to?
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Assuming it is a statmuxing issue, whatever is airing opposite Oprah on Livewell might not be as bitrate hungry, or Oprah has more detail in the picture so the statmuxer doesn't crush it as much.
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Why is the PQ on Oprah, another HD syndicated show WABC airs, fine?
If Jeopardy and Wheel look bad then shouldn't the PQ on Oprah be bad to?

That is a damn good question. It too is a 1080i feed. IIRC, MPEG-2 as well, as it is fed from Chicago.

What is running opposite of Oprah, as compared to what is running opposite of Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune.

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Why is the PQ on Oprah, another HD syndicated show WABC airs, fine?
If Jeopardy and Wheel look bad then shouldn't the PQ on Oprah be bad to?

Is it possible they are now taking those shows from PitchBlue? Those feeds are H.264, and they probably have to transcode them back to MPEG-2 to get them into their air servers. It shouldn't look terrible, but it's definitely going to be worse.
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Is it possible they are now taking those shows from PitchBlue? Those feeds are H.264, and they probably have to transcode them back to MPEG-2 to get them into their air servers. It shouldn't look terrible, but it's definitely going to be worse.

No, those two game show feeds are not part of Pitchblue yet. They are still DVB-S QPSK MPEG-2. Read the following article for more info on the Pitchblue status.

Personally I'd say that the improved H.264 codec provides a better source than the 35 Mbps MPEG-2 feed. That said, the Pitchblue mux is configured at 74 Mbps, 1 HD stream and three SD streams. The HD video that is feeding (an SD upconvert with pillarbars), is running about 14 Mbps. It is VBR. The SD streams are black with really low bitrate. The null packets are around 48 Mbps. So, the HD could get more, but currently isn't. The sitcom doesn't need the bits

I go along with coyoteaz's idea that it is a statmux issue. Someone needs to do TSReader graph outputs of the WABC OTA mux when the three shows are on and post the results. It is all conjecture until we see hard data.

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No, those two game show feeds are not part of Pitchblue yet. They are still DVB-S QPSK MPEG-2. Read the following article for more info on the Pitchblue status.

Oh, I know all about PitchBlue's status -- I wrestle with those files daily! I don't know who these stations are that are claiming improved workflows and/or more HD -- this thing has killed us, as none of our previous automated processes work so we are back to a full MANUAL workflow -- plus we have serious problems getting the closed-captions to work on the HD files, so everything we USED to air in HD, we now don't.
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Oh, I know all about PitchBlue's status -- I wrestle with those files daily! I don't know who these stations are that are claiming improved workflows and/or more HD -- this thing has killed us, as none of our previous automated processes work so we are back to a full MANUAL workflow -- plus we have serious problems getting the closed-captions to work on the HD files, so everything we USED to air in HD, we now don't.

Sorry, wasn't only meant for you, but others on the thread as well, as it did contain a note about Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune not moving to Pitchblue just yet.

Interesting that you are having CC issues with the pitches. The last time I looked, TSReader didn't have a problem detecting both types of CC

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Interesting that you are having CC issues with the pitches. The last time I looked, TSReader didn't have a problem detecting both types of CC

I wish I could use TSReader to play back these shows for air! Honestly, I don't know what the problem is here. We've tried transcoding software to turn the files into MPEG-2, and also played back the native H.264 files -- nothing we do gets us anything. I know for a fact that other stations are having the same problems -- but exactly what the percentage is, I don't know. I'm sure some of them just air them without captions and look the other way.
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Here's what TS Reader shows for the last 2:27 of Jeopardy:
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Need a bitrate graph with real-time charting enabled, which requires the full version of TSReader.
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On Saturdays WABC airs old episodes of Jeopary and Wheel.

Jeopardy looks good tonight. It's Season 25 Episode 23 in HD.
There is no macroblocking on the wide shots.


If they can air an old episode clean I don't get why the weekday episodes are not clean?
I don't believe anything has changed with the bit rates of the main or sub channels.
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I checked tonight and the video on Jeopardy and Wheel is back to normal.
The blocking on the video is gone.
If someone at WABC did fix it then thanks.
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