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post #181 of 6863 Old 11-08-2006, 06:21 PM
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So is Dexter only going to be one season? (meaning it's following the book close enough to reach the end by the end of the season).

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Showtime has given the go for another season and there as of this moment two Dexter books. So season 2 could follow the next book. I've been watching the credits it seems the author of the Dexter books has little to nothing to do with the Showtime series so who knows...
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I thought about the ITK being a member of Dexter's biological family. Even before they mentioned Dexter being found at a crime scene, I figured the only way Harry would recognize Dexter's urges is if he had some sort of precedent to work with. What better precedent than having those urges in the gene pool. Maybe he was a witness to something horrific. Maybe as a young child he was abused by his family and killed them. The relationship between the ITK and Dexter seems personal though. This has many possibilities.

You cannot rule out the sister. She does have motive in feeling overshadowed by Dexter. She was a better shot than Dex, maybe she's a better serial killer also. Someone poster she was watching security tape while someone took a picture of Dex but remember she was the only one left in the building. She could have left shortly after.

It could be the doctor that fitted the prosthetics as Dexter said the cuts seemed surgical. It could also be related to the nurse in his first kill as he mentioned he experienced growing pains and stumbled through his kills until he honed his skills.

It could be the girlfriend. The show has eluded to Dexter and Rita being the same. Both are flawed tremendously. He asked about love. He learned you love someone you have something in common with, a similiar dream. Maybe not only are they both flawed, but they both wear a mask during the day. Dexter's is being a forensics specialist and Rita's is being the passive submissive prototype. Both wear these masks to conceal their true selves.

I haven't read the books so I don't have any insight. As of now I'm leaning towards a member of the biological family. I just hope we don't end up disappointed.
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So is Dexter only going to be one season? (meaning it's following the book close enough to reach the end by the end of the season).

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They already renewed it for Season 2...there's a second book for them to follow. :-)

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You cannot rule out the sister. She does have motive in feeling overshadowed by Dexter. She was a better shot than Dex, maybe she's a better serial killer also. Someone poster she was watching security tape while someone took a picture of Dex but remember she was the only one left in the building. She could have left shortly after.

It could be the doctor that fitted the prosthetics as Dexter said the cuts seemed surgical. It could also be related to the nurse in his first kill as he mentioned he experienced growing pains and stumbled through his kills until he honed his skills.

It could be the girlfriend. The show has eluded to Dexter and Rita being the same. Both are flawed tremendously. He asked about love. He learned you love someone you have something in common with, a similiar dream. Maybe not only are they both flawed, but they both wear a mask during the day. Dexter's is being a forensics specialist and Rita's is being the passive submissive prototype. Both wear these masks to conceal their true selves.

I haven't read the books so I don't have any insight. As of now I'm leaning towards a member of the biological family. I just hope we don't end up disappointed.


I don't understand why so many are trying to "fit" all the women from Dexter's life into the role of a serial killer? It would be a HUGE stretch of believability for any of them to be capable of those acts - physically, emotionally, or skillwise. Let alone be in 2 places at the same time.

The series has already established the personality traits required to be a serial killer, and number one is a lack of emotion, or remorse. All the women mentioned have shown deep emotional feelings at various times during their character development. It would be cheap shock value, and disengenuous, for any of them to be the ITK.

Now the biological theory, I can go for.

Just my take. I love the show! Showtime...the new HBO.

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Great episode this past Sunday. I thought the Cuban child was going to ID Dexter, but he ened up giving a Sketch of Jesus. Interesting about the drug and needle that were used to numb the prev. chick dexter killed. Also how Dexter removed his name from Masuka's email list. It seemed as if Lt. Laguerta was growing attached to the Cuban child aswell.
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For dramatic purposes they had Dexter believing that the sketch would be so accurate that he would be fingered. Of course in real life the drawing never looks exactly like the perp and just gives a general idea of the facial type. And the kid was looking single-eyed through a peephole.

But this show is fascinating and great fun.
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For dramatic purposes they had Dexter believing that the sketch would be so accurate that he would be fingered. Of course in real life the drawing never looks exactly like the perp and just gives a general idea of the facial type. And the kid was looking single-eyed through a peephole.

But this show is fascinating and great fun.

Fully agree!

In real-life, even if the sketch was an exact likeness of Dexter, they would have chalked it up to Dexter being at the crime scene, and the police station when the kid was present (whether the kid actually saw him, or not)

The self induced parinoia Dexter went through was great. He had never felt any doubt, or fear, before that moment. Every episode they move him farther and farther away from an emotionless zombie. I haven't read the books, but maybe this points to a traumatic event in his life shaping his personality, and he is slowly breaking free from it.

Sorry for the rambling, but the show does make you think, which is a good thing!

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I'm assuming a few things that may not be true.

One is that he is a male, based on the silhouetted snaps we've seen of him, and Tucci's impressions of him.

Another is that the producers will not drag the ITK in from left field; he's already been seen in the show. Making him Dexter's long-lost evil twin Sinister would be a near shark-jumper.

I'm leaning toward the Police Captain.

PRO: He was an old comrade/partner of Harry's; someone who might have been let in on the secret of Dexter's nature. He certainly knows all of the cop procedures and techniques. He looks vigorous enough to be able to free-dive 100 feet to retrieve the Coyote's wife. Like every other veteran detective, he's seen his share of guilty people skate. He takes interest in the progress of harry's kids.

CON: he's been killing people who don't deserve killing. I can only speculate that he's gone over the edge to being a classic sociopath and only finds pleasure now in the game he's playing with Dexter.

Either that or he has huge moral issues with prostitutes and arena rent-a-cops.
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I'm assuming a few things that may not be true.

One is that he is a male, based on the silhouetted snaps we've seen of him, and Tucci's impressions of him.

Another is that the producers will not drag the ITK in from left field; he's already been seen in the show. Making him Dexter's long-lost evil twin Sinister would be a near shark-jumper.

I'm leaning toward the Police Captain.

PRO: He was an old comrade/partner of Harry's; someone who might have been let in on the secret of Dexter's nature. He certainly knows all of the cop procedures and techniques. He looks vigorous enough to be able to free-dive 100 feet to retrieve the Coyote's wife. Like every other veteran detective, he's seen his share of guilty people skate. He takes interest in the progress of harry's kids.

CON: he's been killing people who don't deserve killing. I can only speculate that he's gone over the edge to being a classic sociopath and only finds pleasure now in the game he's playing with Dexter.

Either that or he has huge moral issues with prostitutes and arena rent-a-cops.

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Of course, whoever it is has to be a well equiped master diver. Even with a GPS on Dexter boat that body would have been hell to find at that depth and alone. And even though Dexter had it wraped up pretty tight, I can't beleive it showed now signs of the ocean after it was recovered.

And don't you think its about timne Dexter changed the locks on his apartment or something? Jezz.
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Of course, whoever it is has to be a well equiped master diver. Even with a GPS on Dexter boat that body would have been hell to find at that depth and alone. And even though Dexter had it wraped up pretty tight, I can't beleive it showed now signs of the ocean after it was recovered.

And don't you think its about timne Dexter changed the locks on his apartment or something? Jezz.

Dexter wants to play....

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Dexter wants to play....

Dex is a blood spatter expert....
He's fascinated with the the way the ITK kills without any blood...
Laguerta mentions his dad found Dex at a crime scene...
Deb is a biological daughter, Dex was adopted...

Hmm...

Having read the book, it's hard to participate in this thread without spoiling it. This last page of posts are very close to the answer though.
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Dex is a blood spatter expert....
He's fascinated with the the way the ITK kills without any blood...
Laguerta mentions his dad found Dex at a crime scene...
Deb is a biological daughter, Dex was adopted...

Hmm...

Having read the book, it's hard to participate in this thread without spoiling it. This last page of posts are very close to the answer though.


I finally read the books, don't spoil it for the others though.

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I finally read the books, don't spoil it for the others though.

No, I wouldn't do that.
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It's hard to believe that somone spends thousands of dollars buying HDTV and then gripes about a $36 fee for watching Showtime.

Anyway Dexter is the result of all the frustrations we feel when seemingly "guilty" criminals (remember OJ?) walk after committing crimes. It is CSI with a happy ending because nobody believes that criminals actually confess everything the last 5 minutes of a show. Also, labwork is only an assistance to good solid detective work as seen on Law & Order and NYPD Blue.

Moral code? No, Dexter has "rules." He does not have morals as we know them because he has no feeling for people......just Dexter rules.

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http://www.sho.com/site/dexter/episodes.do

This may be a spoiler of sorts, but it is on showtimes website. Interesting.
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Of course, whoever it is has to be a well equiped master diver. Even with a GPS on Dexter boat that body would have been hell to find at that depth and alone. And even though Dexter had it wraped up pretty tight, I can't beleive it showed now signs of the ocean after it was recovered.

And don't you think its about timne Dexter changed the locks on his apartment or something? Jezz.


Experienced Scuba divers go below 100 feet and in south FL there's lots of opportunity to learn. Of course, there would have to be an accomplice, because an experienced Scuba diver would NEVER dive without a buddy. lol

You're right about the luck finding the body; the writers are taking a lot of best-case paths to make the story work. The ITK is as skillful as Dexter is in just about everything. The GPS hidden on the boat may come up later in the series as dexter thinks things through; this episode was him in crisis mode.

There was nothing said about forced entry, so the ITK picked Dexter's lock as easily as Dexter could have picked it. All that Cop stuff. I guess Dex presumes his "friend' could get in no matter what he did. Besides, he's onto Dexter, so what difference does it make now?

This is the one show that I rewatch and count the days and hours 'til the next show.
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Moral code? No, Dexter has "rules." He does not have morals as we know them because he has no feeling for people......just Dexter rules.

But aren't all morals codes just rules that we learn from our parents and society?

How many people play by the rules because they're afraid of the consequences of getting caught?

Dexter keeps SAYING that he has no feelings, but his actions are hinting otherwise. He has feelings for Julie and the kids, at the very least. He wouldn't be following the Rules of Harry if he hadn't loved Harry.

If he truly had no feelings for Deb, why would he be concerned about what she thinks?

Dexter is somewhere between a sociopath and a normal person; as he said, he's not the monster that his "friend" thinks he is.
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But aren't all morals codes just rules that we learn from our parents and society?

Most 'morals' are practical concerns with maintaining a society. Don't kill, steal, lie, or commit adultery...otherwise it turns into an episode of Cops, no matter what century you are in.

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But, as someone once said (can't remember who), morality is something you do when no one is looking. As such, morals are a set of rules, but between you and your sense of integrity, whatever that amounts to. A system of laws regulates a society and are usually based on a moral code (don't steal, kill, etc.) that the vast majority can adhere to.

Dexter does have his own rules, which, on the surface, appear to be all there is. But as we get to know him better (and as he evolves himself), we see that he does, in fact, have his own moral code. And that was brilliantly brought home by the kid's seeing Dexter as Jesus Christ, his "savior." For me that was both comedic and insightful, which is why I love the writing of this series so much.
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Tonight's episode was most interesting. I was very surprised at the ending. How many more episodes do we get in this season?
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Tonight's episode was most interesting. I was very surprised at the ending. How many more episodes do we get in this season?

Yeah, good ep. Previews for next week are cracking me up (Dexter in therapy).

It looks like they've gone way off script from the books, so all suspects are still valid.

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Not so surprising, they were setting it up the entire episode. I loved they way they revealed it at the end though, short and sweet.

The most likely suspect seems to be the prosthetics doctor.

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Yeah, good ep. Previews for next week are cracking me up (Dexter in therapy).

It looks like they've gone way off script from the books, so all suspects are still valid.

Yes, I'm getting the sense that the writers are mixing up characters from both books and creating new ones from them.

The prosthetic doc mentioning his mother lost her legs may seem innocuous, but on this show I think these little clues are important to pay attention to.
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He also said something about "pieces" of body parts everywhere - or something like that.
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I agree, looks like the Dr is the ITK. There are 3 more episodes left.
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Does anyone NOT know when the Season 2 Premier of Sleeper Cell is (not sure if this would require "spoiler tags".) LOL

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He also said something about "pieces" of body parts everywhere - or something like that.

I missed that, that would definitely be a clue, and IIRC, he just said accident and did not specify what exactly what happened.
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He also said something about "pieces" of body parts everywhere - or something like that.

Already deleted the ep, but as I recall he said that he wanted to put her back together again like humpty dumpty, but he didn't have all the pieces.

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Yeah, good ep. Previews for next week are cracking me up (Dexter in therapy).Snip

It might be that he is checking out and/or testing the shrink. Just prior to that preview scene, they showed photos of three dead victims and said that they had been in therapy with the same psychiatrist.

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It might be that he is checking out and/or testing the shrink. Just prior to that preview scene, they showed photos of three dead victims and said that they had been in therapy with the same psychiatrist.

LOL, there's no question that the therapist is a bad guy and Dexter is playing with him. I just found it hilarious that he used the opportunity to explain what he was and to express relief at being able to say it. :-)

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