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The 93rd Rose Bowl on ABC
#3 University of Michigan Wolverines (11-1) vs. #5 University of Southern California Trojans (10-2)
Live from Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
January 1, 2007
5pm ET
720p & DD2.0

Michigan has a 8-10 Rose Bowl record, while USC is 21-9. Michigan and USC have met 7 times in the Rose Bowl, with USC having a 5-2 advantage.


Please post all related comments here, and include provider (OTA, Cable, DBS, FiOS, Sunday Ticket), and source (station call letters & city), thanks.

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From ESPN.com, by Ivan Maisel

A Rose by any other name.

Lloyd Carr and Pete Carroll haven't had to sell their players on the importance of playing in the Rose Bowl.

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- The Rose Bowl can give come-hither looks with its history, its tradition and its physical attributes. So, too, can Michigan and USC. Both teams reached the velvet ropes of the BCS Championship Game only to be turned away and directed westward. Both teams have had to parry questions about motivation and desire in the wake of their season-ending defeats.

The coaches of both teams, in their final pregame news conference Sunday at the Beverly Hilton, tried their best to illustrate the shortsightedness of such questions without declaring the questioners on mental vacation.

"You just don't get it," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "The kids are jacked up. The coaches are. The fans will be. Had you not asked the questions, it would have been left behind."

"There's something special about New Year's Day," Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said, "something special about going into that incredible setting, the Arroyo Seco, the mountains. You know you have an opportunity to play in a very, very special game. It's not really hard to sell it."

"Those are awesome football games," Carroll said of the No. 1 vs. No. 2 game that the Trojans aren't playing in. "But they are not better. They are not better than what this is. The day you play, the game you're playing, the team across the field from you, that's the whole world. It doesn't matter what trophy they hand you ... . Look at the explosion of the Boston College victory [Saturday in the Meineke Car Care Bowl]. That kid kicks the field goal and they win and the team goes crazy. On that moment, on that day, it was the biggest thing in the world."

Either No. 3 Michigan (11-1) or No. 8 USC (10-2) will leave a two-game losing streak behind at the 2007 Rose Bowl presented by Citi on Monday (ABC, 5 p.m. ET). The Wolverine seniors lost the Rose Bowl as freshmen and sophomores. The Trojans lost the Rose Bowl a year ago and, on the same field, lost to UCLA a month ago.

There's little reason to believe Michigan will play the same way it played in losing to USC, 28-14, in 2004, and Texas, 38-37, in 2005. As Carr said Sunday, "This team defensively is a much better team than we were three years ago." Michigan has allowed only 14.6 points and 43 rushing yards per game.

The Michigan offense is much better, too, thanks largely to the switch to a zone-blocking scheme for the running game from the traditional gaps Michigan has created for decades. The new scheme has been a godsend for junior tailback Mike Hart, a skilled reader of a play as it develops.

The new running game, and Hart's ability to stay healthy, transformed the Wolverines into the best rushing team in the Big Ten (189.2 yards per game) and, Carr added, the running game "marries up" with the passing game better than it did three years ago. The offensive line crumbled against USC in that Rose Bowl, allowing nine sacks of quarterback John Navarre.

"They give you so many different blitzes," Carr said. "They're going to bring the two inside guys. They're going to bring all their safeties, all the secondary except the wide corner. They're going to drop eight and rush three. They give you so many different looks, a lot of different personnel packages. They are very, very talented, very, very quick."

The USC defense is different, as well, and not in an ideal way. The Trojans forced only 20 turnovers in 12 games, roughly half of what the defense produced (42 in 13 games) three years ago.

"I think we've struggled with that a little bit this year, in part because our defense is so young," middle linebacker Oscar Lua said Saturday, according to a transcript. Lua is one of two seniors listed as a starter or co-starter on defense (he started three games, and sophomore Rey Maualuga started nine). "... It might have been why we had such tight games earlier this year. But the emphasis has always been there."

Lua alluded to an increase in turnovers later in the season. The Trojans forced 10 in their past five games. There's no reason to think USC can just flip the sack-and-turnover switch against Michigan junior quarterback Chad Henne. The Wolverines lost only 10 turnovers this season, evidence of Henne's increased maturity.

Carr said that Henne has all the "measurables," but only after he listed the attributes that warm a coach's heart.

"I think first of all [a quarterback] has to be tough mentally, as well as physically, and Chad Henne is a tough guy," Carr said. "He has to be intelligent. He has to have all the understanding to communicate ... . He is not a guy that's very emotional, but he is a fiery, intense competitor, and you wouldn't necessarily know that unless you've been around him."

Michigan has more quickness than its previous two Rose Bowl teams brought to Pasadena, if not as much as USC will bring Monday. The Wolverines have an edge in experience, too. The question to be answered is not so much whether the teams will bounce back emotionally from their regular-season-ending losses. It is whether they will play like the teams that reached the threshold of the BCS Championship Game.


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How come if the game is in HD the on site pre game show is in a very bad looking pillarbared SD.?
It just makes no sense that even the cams that are HD are being down converted for the pregam.

Will ESPN look to fix this for next season?
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How come if the game is in HD the on site pre game show is in a very bad pillarbared SD. It just makes not sense that even the cams that are HD are being down converted for the pregam.

Will ESPN look to fix this for next season?

Is the game for sure in HD? This whole sidebar thing has me kinda nervous. No sense why the Capitol One Bowl would be in HD (although I truly think it was ED) and the Rose Bowl would be in SD.

Oh and I don't really care who wins this one, GO BUCKS!
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Don't know why but this has been how ESPN on ABC works. They switch the feed to 4:3 Pillarbared for the Pre game and half time report.
It will not go HD till the kick off.
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Is the game for sure in HD?

Yes. 100% sure, unless there are unforeseen technical issues.

ABC has many times done the pregame in SD, but the key is the HD side bars, which confirm the HD network is operational.

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Don't know why but this has been how ESPN on ABC works. They switch the feed to 4:3 Pillarbared for the Pre game and half time report.
It will not go HD till the kick off.

Hopefully, you're right. And the just now said 'Welcome back to the pregame show' I'm guessing it'll actually switch at 5pm ET, or kickoff time.

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Ah I gotcha, just went HD last week so I didn't know how ESPN on ABC worked.

What really sucks? I won't have an HD source until June since my campus cable provider has no QAM channels and it's one standard cable service. Unless of course I wanna get PBSHD OTA since that's the only OTA station near my school.
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Just switched to HD OTA in Los Angeles.

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It's up in 720p & DD2.0, on the American Broadcasting Company digital television network.

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My AV receiver shows 5.1 on DirecTV ch 86.
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No sense why the Capitol One Bowl would be in HD (although I truly think it was ED)..

Wrong. You've got a lot to learn.

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My AV receiver shows 5.1 on DirecTV ch 86.

Check the center & rear channels; they are dead.

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it's in HD, looks amazing. The Rose Bowl should ALWAYS be played during the day (unlike last year), it really highlights the locale.

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Check the center & rear channels; they are dead.

Actually the center is dead, but I do have rear speakers. Must be a bad DD flag or my receiver doesn't know what to do with it? Switching to PCM mode.
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The coin toss was absolutely stunning, being able to make out the commemorative coin details is amazing.

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Must be a bad DD flag or my receiver doesn't know what to do with it?

The DD encoder is set for always passing 5.1, even when it's not present.

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Looks much better than the Cap 1 bowl.
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The DD encoder is set for always passing 5.1, even when it's not present.

That's not right and a pain. How can one determine what is really being sent?
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Looks much better than the Cap 1 bowl.


I agree, I think b/c it's so sunny

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That's not right and a pain. How can one determine what is really being sent?

By listening to the channels. I know because the local Detroit station is set up the same way, and unless 5.1 is present, only the main L/R channels have audio.

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I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing. It still looks fuzzy to me.

Sunday Night Football looked much better last night, ditto w/ the Lions/Cowboys game yesterday.

EDIT: maybe its the sun?
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Really, a very nice picture... guess ABC can produce beautiful HD if so inclined.

Besides the great lighting, could being near LA and the broadcast talent pool have anything to do with it?
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PQ looks great to me. Now how do we get rid of the bottom scrolling banner? This is one of my rants against the networks.
The top scoreboard is somewhat obtrusive too.
At least the ABC HD logo is in the extreme lower right hand corner and is transparent.
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WABC-DT does the same thing, all audio is DD 5.1 even if not encoded that way.
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ok...

On D* from KGO-DT, we are seeing the focus blur problem. The D* ABCW feed is excellent. Both are sending DD2.0 over 5.1 stream, which just stinks. It's a beautiful day in the Bay Area, so I can only imagine how nice it is in L.A.
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Color looks good and fairly saturated. Some cameras look soft, especially the high 50 yard and sky cam. Some of the graphics are composite SD upconverts. The HD commercials look alot sharper.
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Has anyone noticed the picture becoming blurry when there's motion? It looks as if the picture is going out of focus. Though it's clearly an encoding issue, not a camera issue, because you can see it in the score graphic. I recall something about an incorrect prefilter setting in the Harris Flexicoder. I wanted to make sure it's not a national issue before I try to contact the local station. (WLAJ)
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I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing. It still looks fuzzy to me.

Sunday Night Football looked much better last night, ditto w/ the Lions/Cowboys game yesterday.

EDIT: maybe its the sun?

Its often out of focus and when in focus the sun is killing it. Night games always look better. Sunlight seems to ruin the HD picture during football games.
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