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post #361 of 21026 Old 04-28-2007, 12:12 PM
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A lot of assumptions going on. We don't know where the island is in reference to any mainland. I'll ditto for what archi said. We didn't get a full explanation from Naomi as to the crash of 815. To make assumptions without the full context of an explanation is like taking slam-dunk' out of context and using it for your cause. In most crashes that occur at sea you don't recover all of the bodies. If you don't recover all of the bodies, does that mean they all died? If you aren't found you are listed as missing and presumed dead. Presumed dead doesn't mean you are. If she reports they found all of the bodies then we have some serious speculating to do.
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......Locke has a guy with a bag over his head and tells sawyer to kill him..it may turn out to be locke's dad.

Gee, ya' think?
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In most crashes that occur at sea you don't recover all of the bodies.

Flight 815 didn't crash at sea. It crashed on an island.

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If she reports they found all of the bodies then we have some serious speculating to do.

If she reports they found any signficant number of bodies or any significant wreckage, then we have speculating to do. The most they could have found is a couple of bodies that flew out when the tail section split off and some random floating debris like seat cushions. They couldn't have found the plane. It was on the island.

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Flight 815 didn't crash at sea. It crashed on an island.


If she reports they found any signficant number of bodies or any significant wreckage, then we have speculating to do. The most they could have found is a couple of bodies that flew out when the tail section split off and some random floating debris like seat cushions. They couldn't have found the plane. It was on the island.

It was on the island, but weren't the pieces washed out to sea? If they found enough pieces of debris, they could have speculated that the bodies were eaten by sharks. Or polar bears.
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It was on the island, but weren't the pieces washed out to sea?

That's what I was getting at. The plane was 1k off course, so who knows how long it was before any pieces, if any, were found. We also don't know how much of the plane ended up in the ocean and not on the beach. I don't recall there ever being a commercial airliner that has gone down at sea that wasn't found. Of course this is TV so that can happen just like a lot of other unusual things do on this show.
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What if we're all dead and in Purgatory and can't get out until we come up with a explanation for Smokey that doesn't include nanobots?

Ah, the old "our life is the dream and our dream's the reality" theory.

Then again WE may be the ones in an alternate universe, and/or WE/I may be having mass hallucinations and imagining we're actually watching a TV show that doesn't exist, even to the point of imagining we're viewing and contributing to this thread. I could go on...

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Have you been reading the thread?

not every post..sorry i do have a life away from the forum
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yeah yeah yeah

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Ah, the old "our life is the dream and our dream's the reality" theory.

Then again WE may be the ones in an alternate universe, and/or WE/I may be having mass hallucinations and imagining we're actually watching a TV show that doesn't exist, even to the point of imagining we're viewing and contributing to this thread. I could go on...

I like it.
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To make assumptions without the full context of an explanation is like taking slam-dunk' out of context and using it for your cause.

Exactly. They're not forthcoming with answers, so we have to make up stuff. They debunk our theories, and we go back and make up more stuff.

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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You guys really want something to bake your noodle? Here's my evolving theory:

After looking over the timeline over at Lostpedia, I've come up with a timeline of events laced with my theory(theories) of what happened on the island. This is an evolving theory that I have yet to finish completely but wanted to throw out there. I've borrowed some explanations of events from Lostpedia(cut and pasted into mine to save time). You'll have to excuse the grammar structure. Word doesn't cut and paste to vBulletin very well.:doh:

1970
The DHARMA Initiative is created (according to the Swan Orientation Film) by Gerald and Karen DeGroot and funded by Alvar Hanso and the Hanso Foundation. DHARMA stands for Department of Heuristics(trial and error) And Research on Material Applications. From the Sri Lanka video(Lost ARG), Thomas Mittlewerk(President of Hanso Foundation) says DHARMA was created to use scientific research to change any one of the core values of the Valenzetti Equation in order to change the course of the human race.

1970s
The Swan Station and other stations built...theory:...built by Charles Widmore/Widmore Construction. In the Charley-centric episode(Fire + Water) about his band, we see a "Widmore Construction" sign in the background on the Battersea Power Station.
"An Incident" occurred. Marvin Candle from Orientation video: Not long after the experiments began, however, there was... an 'incident'... and since that time, the following protocol has been observed: (That?) every 108 minutes, the button must be pushed. ("Orientation") The button seems to release the buildup of magnetism underneath the Swan. There is a failsafe that Desmond uses to blow the dam holding the magnetism in Live Together Die Alone. Desmond's blowing that magnetism dam may have caused the electromagnetic pulse that destroyed the underwater sonar array making it so the submarine will not be able to navigate back to the island ever again.

1975
The Sri Lanka Video, featuring Alvar Hanso is made which explains indepth what the DHARMA Initiative is. (The Lost Experience)

1980
The orientation films for the Swan and the Pearl are produced. ("Orientation")

1981
December 7th - H.G. (Hanso Group?) Delegation inspection of The Swan Station. (recorded on blast door map). ("Lockdown")

1984
October 28th - "Suspected shutdown date" (recorded on upper right of the blast door map).("Lockdown") . Of what? Who knows.

1985
AH/MDG incident as mentioned twice on blast door map. ("Lockdown")
1)from following AH/MDG incident(upper left)
2)caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985 or possible catastrophic malfunction of Cerberus system (upper left)

Theory of what the AH/MDG incident was:
1)Alver Hanso and M. DeGroot(offspring of Gerald and Karen DeGroot or sibling of Gerald DeGroot) feud and split into 2 separate factions: the DHARMA side and the Hostiles/Others side. Jacob(see below) is a leader of The Hostiles. This fued leads to the purge(see below).
2)Update 4/18: After watching the last 2 episodes, I've come up with another theory. "Mittelos Bioscience" is the company(most likely headed by Thomas Mittlewerk(President of Hanso Foundation)) that Julliette, Ben, Ethan, and Dr. Alpert work for. We've all seen they are Others now. The "M" in "AH/MDG" incident could be in reference to "Mittelos"/"Mittelwerk." A feud between Alvar Hanso and Mittelwerk/Mittelos Bioscience and the DeGroots? Again, led to Purge.
AND/OR
3)Some sort of virus released.
A)Most likely from the The Staff/Caduceus Station. caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incidentof 1985 hence why the word QUARENTINE was not painted on the inside of its hatch door like it was on the Swan's hatch and The Arrow hatch.
B)Danielle Rousseau's version of The Sickness: "It was them. They were the carriers. The Others.". She believes that the other members of the team contracted the sickness from the Others. She later claimed that at least up to the time she had met Sayid, she had never actually seen one of the Others but heard the whispers.
After returning to the shelter, some of the team continued to search for the meaning of the numbers while they waited for rescue. This is likely the partial source for what is known as Rousseau's map. But then she says the sickness came. She says the sickness took them one after the other. She eventually killed Robert(her lover) who she claimed was sick by first removing the firing pin from his gun and engaging him in a confrontation where she shot him dead.
Rousseau explained her motivations for killing the other members of the team as follows: "I had no choice. They were already lost. What would have happened if we were rescued? I couldn't let that happen. I won't."
C)When Sayid asks Fenry Gale(Ben) about his wife in One of Them: She got sick. It started as a fever. After 2 days, she was delirious. Then she died. Maybe Fenry was telling a partial truth.
D)Updated 4/18-The Sickness has something to do with pregnancy as well.

(*Theory*)Sometime b/w 1985 & 1987(Rousseau) OR b/w 1993 & Present(Mikhail)
The Purge occurs. When Sayid asks Mikhail what happened to the DHARMA Initiative: They're(DHARMA) all dead of course. They foolishly initiated a war against the hostiles. A purge' they called it.

Theory: The purge occurred b/w 1985 and 1987. I tend to believe Roussuea's account more due to Alexandra's age.

Sayid asks Mikhail who the hostiles are. Mikhail: I do not know. But they were here for a long time before we were. A very long time. This is when Mikhail was saying he was part of the DHARMA Initiative. In reality, he was a hostile. He later revealed that he was in fact a hostile and not DHARMA but said everything else he had said was true.

Jacob - aka "He" & "Him." Most likely leader of The Others/The Hostiles
Updated 4/18 Theory: Could be Jacob Vanderfield(member of the Board of Directors of the Hanso Foundation along with Thomas Mittelwerk). Jacob Vanderfield and Thomas Mittelwerk/Mittelos BioScience executed a coup and took over the island.
A)Fenry Gale(Ben) said when Sayid is interrogating him: If I told you about them(The Others), you have no idea what He'll do.He'll kill me!....You can't do this! I am not a bad person!
B)Room 23: God loves you as He loved Jacob.
C)Mikhail: The man who brought me here. Who brought all of my people here. He's a magnificent man.

The List - Apparently only good people make the list. From past conversations, it's also apparent that Jacob makes the list.
A)Danny: Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list."
B)Kid's kidnapping: Ana Lucia kills one of the assailants and finds out the assailant has a list of the children
C)Goodwin admits he killed Nathan, and confirms that the children are still alive, saying that they are "better off". He also says that those taken were "good people" and that Nathan was not on the list because he was a "bad person".
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Ana-Lucia: Did he see you out there? Is that why you pretended to be one of us? You ran out of the jungle 10 minutes after the crash, you weren't wet. You were never even in the ocean. Where are they... your friends? Nathan... what did you...
Goodwin: If you had cut off his finger and he still told you he was on the plane, I think maybe you would have started to believe you had the wrong guy.
Ana-Lucia: Did you kill him?
Goodwin: Nathan was not a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list.
Ana-Lucia: What about the kids? Did you kill them, too?
Goodwin: Children are fine. They're better off now.

D)Mikhail : You are not capable of understanding..(Kate: And why am I not capable?)because you are not on the list(K:What list?)(Mikhail's speech about the magnificent man above)I will try to make this as simple as I can. You are not on the list because you are flawed. Because you are angry. And weak. And frightened.

1987
Hanso Foundation funding of the DHARMA Initiative ends, as per the Hugh McIntyre interview on Jimmy Kimmel. (The Lost Experience)
Theory: The DHARMA Initiative realizes they've lost control of the island and stop funding it.
Theory: The island radio tower's transmission is unencrypted either accidentally or by someone intentionally so the whole world can hear the numbers transmission.

1988
Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims(where Hurley got the numbers) hear the Numbers being broadcast without encryption while stationed in the South Pacific. ("Dave")
Danielle Rousseau and her crew run aground on the Island after hearing the Numbers transmission. ("Solitary")
Danielle is trapped at a location near the Black Rock by a "he" or "it" who has "killed them all".("Pilot, Part 2")
Danielle replaces the Numbers broadcast with a repeating transmission in French. ("Pilot, Part 2")
All of the science crew are killed by Danielle. ("Solitary")
Alexandra Rousseau is born and taken by the Others a week later. ("Solitary")
Rousseau claims that after her team was all dead, she went back to the radio tower and changed the unencrypted transmission of the numbers to:
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Iteration 17294530 : "If anybody can hear this, they are dead. Please help us. I'll try to make it to the Black Rock. It [or he] killed them. It [or he] killed them all."
Iteration 17294531 : "It [or he] is outside. It [or he] is outside and Brennan took the keys. Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead. Help us. They are dead."
Iteration 17294532 : "It [or he] is outside. It [or he] is outside and Brennan took the keys. Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead. Help us. They are dead."
Iteration 17294533 : "They are all dead. Help us. They are dead. If anybody can hear this --"
Iteration 17294534 : "It [or he] is outside. Please help us. Please help us !"
Iteration 17294535 : "If anybody can hear this, I'll try to make it to the Black Rock. Please help us ! They are all dead. They are dead. It [or he] killed them. It [or he] killed them all. I'll try to make it to the Black Rock."

Theory: The above transmission leads me to believe that Rousseau works for DHARMA. Two possibilities could explain how she's on the island:
1)After it was suspected that the Hostiles had taken over, she and her crew came to the island as a DHARMA surveillance team under the guise of a lost science expedition team. Her baby was taken and her team was killed by Jacob and The Hostiles.
2)She was always on the island. She is one of the last survivors of DHARMA.
Either way, After The Hostiles had indeed taken over and defeated DHARMA, she changed the transmission to try and get word back to DHARMA headquarters off island.
Updated 4/25/07: I thought of another reason I think Rousseau works for DHARMA. In the episode that aired 4/18 when Desmond is taking Charley, Jin, and Hurley "camping," Desmond asks Hurley to show him the cable leading into the jungle. Hurley says, "Here it is...just one thing. Last time I followed this wire into the jungle, I almost got ka-bobbed by one of Rousseua's spiky death-trap things." I think Rousseau is protecting/defending a beacon or some sort of locater that can be used to find the island from "off-island." She's defending it from the Others/Hostiles/Jacob so they can't destroy it and stop a rescue. And the helicopter crashed right off shore of where the cable goes into the water.

1991
Sayid captured in Persian Gulf War circa 1991. Meets Kelvin Joe Inman(U.S. government spook)("One of Them")

B/W 1991 and 2001
Kelvin Joe Inman joined the DHARMA Initiative . Author of some of the Blast Door Map. Radzinsky was the previous author of the blast door map until committing suicide(so says Inman).
Blast door map(lower right): activity unsuitable for DIHG(DHARMA Initiative Hanso Group?)
The fact that it's referred to as DIHG could mean the map author doesn't have any affiliation. Could be Radzinsky before Inman took over authorship.

It is also interesting to note that someone wrote caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985. A member of DHARMA would most likely know that that particular station was called The Staff.
Theory: Since Inman was in Iraq after when I think the "Purge" occurred, I think Inman actually works for DHARMA too. He was tasked with replacing Radzinsky to keep pushing the button "to save the world."

1993
Mikhail Bakunin claims to have arrived at the island. (11 years before "Enter 77")
He also said, I was recruited when I was 24. Which would make him 35. Mikhail looks older than 35.


4-8-00" & "8-15-01" & "1-6-03 Dates are noted below system wide failure of Dharmatel Intranet and next to complete shutdown in effect. Could be related to either.(lower middle of Blast Door Map)


September 2004
While honeymooning in Australia, Bernard takes Rose to see Isaac of Uluru, a faith healer. After attempting to heal her, Isaac admitted he couldn't, as the location they were in wasn't "the right place". Telling her that she can still be healed.
Dialog:
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Rose: So, uh... how does this work? I sit here and you chant or uh... pray, or what?
Isaac: There are certain places with great energy... spots on the Earth like the one we're above now. Perhaps this energy is geological... magnetic. Or perhaps it's something else. And when possible I harness this energy and give it to others. May I? [He puts his hands near Rose's face and closes his eyes then suddenly opens them looking disturbed]
Rose: What? What, what is it?
Isaac: I'm sorry. I can't do anything for you, Rose.
Rose: I didn't expect you to.
Isaac: It's not that you can't be healed. Like I said, there's different energies. This is not the right place for you.
Rose: Where is the right place?
Isaac: I wish I knew

Theory: The right place Isaac speaks of is the island.
I'll also add that Mikhail has come back to life after Locke threw him through the sonic fence. Have other's come back? Boone? Ethan? Etc...?

September 22nd
13:00 GMT - Eight hours after takeoff, Flight 815 nears the Island and encounters turbulence induced from the electromagnetic energy underneath the Swan overflowing due to the system failure. This eventually causes the plane to break up over the Island. This is roughly 03:00 local time on the morning of September 22, since the plane has crossed the International Date Line. This timeline does not correspond well with the daylight at the time of the crash or the time stamp in the log printout.("Exodus: Part 1")


My theory of what the "newb" pilot chick on the island is talking about when she says that flight 815's wreckage had been found with no survivors:
Updated 4/28: Theory: At the end of "D.O.C."(4/25), Naomi the injured pilot chick who fell from the sky said the wreckage of flight 815 had been found and there were no survivors. I theorize that the plane wreckage was planted by either DHARMA or Mittelos Bioscience to quell any further search for the plane. The plane wreckage is of course on the island and they still want the island to be kept secret. Best way to stop a search is to produce the "wreckage." They "reproduced" Oceanic flight 815 and crashed it. That's the wreckage that Naomi and the outside world found. Not the original Flight 815.



As of the March 14, 2007 episode(Par Avion), the survivors have spent 80 days on the island(per Charlie's bird letter)
= island date was December 11, 2004 the day Sayid, Locke, Kate, and Roussuea saw Jack throwing a football with Tom(The Other)
Update 4/25/07: During Sun's ultrasound, Julliette says they crashed 90 days ago. As of episode "D.O.C"(4/25/07), island date is December 21, 2004.

Ponderings:
The island's healing powers? No idea. Maybe it just is.
Desmond's "flashes of the future?" No idea. After the 4/18 episode, I think it's becoming more clear that Desmond was "destined" to be on the island.
Paik Automotive? Pretty sure they're still on the DHARMA side along with the Widmores.
Black smoke? Not a clue.
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Well yeah, obviously, but what about the polar bear?
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Well yeah, obviously, but what about the polar bear?

Everybody's a critic.
The polar bears were part of DHARMA's research on changing the Valenzetti equation.
Teaching caged polar bears on a tropical island to get food by punching and pulling different buttons and levers was part of "changing any one of the core values of the Valenzetti Equation in order to change the course of the human race.
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Ponderings:
The island's healing powers? No idea. Maybe it just is.
Desmond's "flashes of the future?" No idea. After the 4/18 episode, I think it's becoming more clear that Desmond was "destined" to be on the island.
Paik Automotive? Pretty sure they're still on the DHARMA side along with the Widmores.
Black smoke? Not a clue.

WOW. Impressive. You must have even more time on your hands than Hurley did while he was institutionalized.

However, as its a rather long and complex read, I think I'll wait for the abridged version, or more likely, the movie or TV version.

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WOW. Impressive. You must have even more time on your hands than Hurley did while he was institutionalized.

Hey. I was bored one night.

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However, as its a rather long and complex read, I think I'll wait for the abridged version, or more likely, the movie or TV version.

In development and hoping to be cancelled after 3 episodes like most other shows this season.
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That's what I was getting at. The plane was 1k off course, so who knows how long it was before any pieces, if any, were found.

Planes are made from metal. They don't float around the ocean. They sink to the bottom and stay there. If parts somehow did get spread around the ocean, it's hard to believe they'd all stay together so they would find the complete plane in the same area.

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I don't recall there ever being a commercial airliner that has gone down at sea that wasn't found.

I don't recall a commercial airliner ever being a thousand miles off course either!

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The closest I could find to a plane crashing in the ocean and taking a while to be partially discovered is Adam Air Flight 574 from a few months ago. It took them a month to find various pieces of the plane. One interesting thing is that one horizontal stabilizer was flat enough to float and was discovered by a fisherman. They haven't found the complete plane.

The pilot sounded disoriented on the radio and may have been trying to turn the plane around.

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When I watch lost with my friend he always points out that the characters always have the same hair-do and beard growth.

Plus, no one ever has rips in their clothes, or stains...

Thinks that they should look like grizzly addams now.

They should have at least one character that is showing the effects of being stranded in the wilderness.

The volume is always too loud.
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Well, after further review, I've changed my mind about the possibility of Dharma, etc. faking the plane crash. Like scowl just pointed out, even if they find one piece of the plane floating in open ocean, that would probably be enough for them to declare the plane and its passengers "lost" and deceased, case closed. I was concerned that if a lot of wreckage and bodies were found, there would be no way to fool the FCC and no way to stage a coverup of that magnitude. But really, one or two pieces and an oil slick floating on the ocean would be all it would take if there was no land nearby. That they could conceivably pull off.
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The closest I could find to a plane crashing in the ocean and taking a while to be partially discovered is Adam Air Flight 574 from a few months ago. It took them a month to find various pieces of the plane. One interesting thing is that one horizontal stabilizer was flat enough to float and was discovered by a fisherman. They haven't found the complete plane.

The pilot sounded disoriented on the radio and may have been trying to turn the plane around.

My point earlier though was that it's highly unlikely that anyone not directly involved would remember anything about "Oceanic Flight 815" like Naomi did.

Everybody who could specifically remember, without the aid of Google or Wikipedia, that "Adam Air Flight 574" went down at sea and was never found, raise your hand.
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When I watch lost with my friend he always points out that the characters always have the same hair-do and beard growth.

Plus, no one ever has rips in their clothes, or stains...

Thinks that they should look like grizzly addams now.

They should have at least one character that is showing the effects of being stranded in the wilderness.

You should point out to your friend that semi-regular supply-drops are made to the island (possibly with clothes, as well). The Losties have recovered at least one such drop, so far.

You know; Dharma razor blades, Dharma deodorant, Dharma jeans, Dharma ranch-dressing, Dharma tuna, shrimp-Dharma....oops.....well, you get the idea.

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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Everybody who could specifically remember, without the aid of Google or Wikipedia, that "Adam Air Flight 574" went down at sea and was never found, raise your hand.



Who woulda thunk it?
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Planes are made from metal. They don't float around the ocean.

Now I know why those seat cushions, which are used as flotation devices, blankets and pillows are so uncomfortable on planes; they're made of metal.
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Ummm, I believe we have a winner.

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Who woulda thunk it?

All right I concede. If it turns out she's a plant, you guys owe me a virtual dollar.
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You guys really want something to bake your noodle? Here's my evolving theory:



1985
AH/MDG incident as mentioned twice on blast door map. ("Lockdown")
1)from following AH/MDG incident(upper left)
2)caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985 or possible catastrophic malfunction of Cerberus system (upper left)

Theory of what the AH/MDG incident was:
1)Alver Hanso and M. DeGroot(offspring of Gerald and Karen DeGroot or sibling of Gerald DeGroot) feud and split into 2 separate factions: the DHARMA side and the Hostiles/Others side. Jacob(see below) is a leader of The Hostiles. This fued leads to the purge(see below).
2)Update 4/18: After watching the last 2 episodes, I've come up with another theory. "Mittelos Bioscience" is the company(most likely headed by Thomas Mittlewerk(President of Hanso Foundation)) that Julliette, Ben, Ethan, and Dr. Alpert work for. We've all seen they are Others now. The "M" in "AH/MDG" incident could be in reference to "Mittelos"/"Mittelwerk." A feud between Alvar Hanso and Mittelwerk/Mittelos Bioscience and the DeGroots? Again, led to Purge.

It's "MGD", not "MDG." IMO, "MGD" stands for "Magnus Gerald DeGroot."
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It takes the Losties to be in the right place at the right time to see Naomi parachute. It takes the Losties the correct amount of time to locate her before she dies from an injury to her lungs. It takes eye-patch guy the right amount of time to come on the scene to perform the surgery' to save her. All of this meticulously planed by the Others in order to convince the Losties there is no chance of rescue because everyone thinks they are dead. Give up Losties; no one knows you are alive! In addition: the Others were able to make an exact duplicate of the plane that was used in flight 815 to fool the NTSB into believing there were no survivors. RIGHT!
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It's "MGD", not "MDG." IMO, "MGD" stands for "Magnus Gerald DeGroot."

No. It's "MDG."
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