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I suspect that you forgot to add a smiley to this posting. The local affiliates already program Saturday. As for for any other day of the week, stations would require lots of notice before returning any time, as the stations would need to obtain inventory. But you knew that.

It was a bit tongue in cheek but also serious. We'll just have to see if the economics of its low ratings and target demo allow the network to continue. I don't think the trend has been its friend and I'm a bit surprised that the current management is still in place. MNTV now trounces it on Friday nights with WWE's move. But this is all a bit off topic, so I'll just say good luck CW, you'll need it.
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It was a bit tongue in cheek but also serious. We'll just have to see if the economics of its low ratings and target demo allow the network to continue.

I certainly do not disagree that The CW is in trouble. They'll finish this season, but coming back in the fall for another season, just might be a long shot.

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12.5 Mbps? What the frak is that station doing?

They have 2 subchannels. Weather Plus and Universal Sports a SD sports channel. Weather plus takes less than according to rabbitears.info. Universal Sports is around 2.5 mbps. That of course makes the HD looks bad. Weather plus is going bye bye so they could use that bandwidth for KNSD-DT.
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Did you add it here?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...709567&page=12

It's now added to that thread. Thanks.
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They have 2 subchannels. Weather Plus and Universal Sports a SD sports channel. Weather plus takes less than according to rabbitears.info. Universal Sports is around 2.5 mbps. That of course makes the HD looks bad. Weather plus is going bye bye so they could use that bandwidth for KNSD-DT.

I kinda figured it was two streams. I thought that the US channel was going to replace W+. Any 1080i station with even a single SD stream is affected, as there aren't enough bits for 1080i HD, let alone add other crap to the mux.

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I kinda figured it was two streams. I thought that the US channel was going to replace W+. Any 1080i station with even a single SD stream is affected, as there aren't enough bits for 1080i HD, let alone add other crap to the mux.

That's the standard mux used by every NBC O&O. NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, San Diego, and Hartford/New Haven, or 26.6% of the country gets this subpar quality. The engineer at KXAS here in Dallas said he's hoping NBC lets them go back to a single subchannel when Weather- dies, but the decision will ultimately be made at the corporate level and the stations won't have a choice of what they want to do.
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That's the standard mux used by every NBC O&O. NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, San Diego, and Hartford/New Haven, or 26.6% of the country gets this subpar quality. The engineer at KXAS here in Dallas said he's hoping NBC lets them go back to a single subchannel when Weather- dies, but the decision will ultimately be made at the corporate level and the stations won't have a choice of what they want to do.

Oops, I should have said two SD streams. Just saying two streams could also mean 1 HD and 2 SD.

Ya, it would not make much sense, corporate wise, to create these channels and not use them to screw up the HD video. That would just be silly.

I'm waitig for the day that all these HD destroying SD streams cause the system to collapse upon itself after more and more viewers convert to HD. It isn't just the OTA channels that are bitrate starved, it is the cable systems as well, like Comcast who are cramming three HD channels into a single QAM channel.

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Along with Monday through Saturday.

KOFY aka KBWB went independent after the WB ceased broadcasting.
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KOFY aka KBWB went independent after the WB ceased broadcasting.

AKA KEMO. Bring back the Old Sourdough in HD!!! (there's some BA TV trivia)



You could watch if you lived on Mars.
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Dang, those TV GUIDE listings make me long for the old days, when stations actually had VIEWERS. Oddly enough, the station I work for is one of the ones shown there ...
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^^^ We have a low-power station here in Phoenix that carries RTN (stands for retro-network or something like that). They carry a bunch of old 70's shows and has become my favorite channel. Unfortunately the are currently suffering from adjacent channel interference and I've been having trouble receiving it.
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Were they showing The Drew Carey Show in HD? The Directv EPG had listed in HD but my local CW didn't not have in HD. They blow anyway it seems every few weeks they won't even bother showing some CW programming in HD.

It looks like NTSC upconvert.

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WEWS ABC5 in Cleveland is showing 'Boston Legal' in HDTV right now. Before that was CSI: NY and CSI: Miami, in HD!!! Nice work!

Isn't Boston Legal a 20th Century Fox studio show? If so, any idea who is doing the HD feed to the affiliates.

A conversation came up between me and another AVS Forum member about how horrible the Fox analog feeds are to the stations, since the tapes being used are several BetaSP generations deep. We were wondering about who is feeding BL in HD. The current Fox mux configuration is not syndication friendly.

I'm not looking for for coordinates of said feed, just who is doing it and via what means (sat configuration details).

UPDATE: I have been informed as to what is happening with this show. I had a brain fart and totally forgot that I did know the info.

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Isn't Boston Legal a 20th Century Fox studio show? If so, any idea who is doing the HD feed to the affiliates.

A conversation came up between me and another AVS Forum member about how horrible the Fox analog feeds are to the stations, since the tapes being used are several BetaSP generations deep. We were wondering about who is feeding BL in HD. The current Fox mux configuration is not syndication friendly.

I'm not looking for for coordinates of said feed, just who is doing it and via what means (sat configuration details).

UPDATE: I have been informed as to what is happening with this show. I had a brain fart and totally forgot that I did know the info.

For those who don't know... BL is distributed by Disney/ABC TV Distribution. Yes I'm talking the syndicated feed and not the network feed.
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AKA KEMO. Bring back the Old Sourdough in HD!!! (there's some BA TV trivia)

You could watch if you lived on Mars.

How do you figure that?

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For those who don't know... BL is distributed by Disney/ABC TV Distribution. Yes I'm talking the syndicated feed and not the network feed.

That would be a pretty good trick, since Boston Legal is a 20th Century Fox production.

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How do you figure that?

1973; Life On Mars....

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1973; Life On Mars....

Yep Good catch. ABC even has a "Life On Mars" radio stream featuring music from 1973.
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Dang, those TV GUIDE listings make me long for the old days, when stations actually had VIEWERS. Oddly enough, the station I work for is one of the ones shown there ...

Right. Some of the top-watched shows then easily got between 30-40 mil viewers. That's insane compared to today's numbers; you're doing good to get 10 mil lookers. Course, programming is thinly spread out over CATV, sat, iTunes, YouTube and the like. And outside of an external antenna, ATSC will not revert things back to the way they were. Unless the econo.......er, 'nuff said.

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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1973; Life On Mars....

TVOD's joke didn't sink in. I'm behind watching Life on Mars, so that didn't help any. I thought he was trying to do some kind of time travel trip be actually living on Mars. That one went right over my head.

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Didn't NASA put some transmitting programs/music on one of the Voyager satellites? Perhaps one really could watch it from Mars......schweet.


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ABC even has a "Life On Mars" radio stream featuring music from 1973.

Chicago's 'Saturday in the Park'. Nice. I didn't realize it's that old.

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That would be a pretty good trick, since Boston Legal is a 20th Century Fox production.

I stand corrected.
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'Seinfeld' to Debut In HD

Sony Pictures Television to unveil plan at CES, will offer Seinfeld episodes in high-def beginning Jan. 26.

By Ben Grossman -- Broadcasting & Cable, 1/5/2009

In conjunction with its now-typical big splash at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Sony Pictures Television (SPT) will announce it is making the syndicated comedy Seinfeld available to broadcast stations in high-definition for the first time. HD episodes of the long-running sitcom will be ready to air on stations beginning Jan. 26.

Sony will back the move to HD with a massive promotional push featuring new digitally enhanced HD promos. Sony will supply stations with four episodic hi-def promos for each of the 180 episodes, or 720 in all. SPT has also created a complete HD graphics package it will supply to stations to assist them in creating their own local promos, as well as sales presentations.

Actor John O'Hurley, who played J. Peterman on the show, has voiced some of the promos. This marks the fourth set of episodic promotions in all for Seinfeld, but the first in HD.

SPT execs will work with stations through advisory boards, attempting to keep the sitcom fresh to offset the fact that it's in its 13th year in syndication. Rating erosion is common at this stage.

“Seinfeld is the greatest television show ever,” says John Weiser, SPT's president of distribution. “The time is right to deliver the show in hi-def and continue our efforts to introduce Seinfeld to a new generation of viewers. Now the quality of the broadcast will match the quality of the content.”

Seinfeld is the third off-net sitcom to be made available to stations in HD. Warner Bros. has made Two and a Half Men available to stations in HD since its premiere, while CBS Television Distribution started making Everybody Loves Raymond available to stations in HD last March.

Other syndicated programming is offered in HD, including The Oprah Winfrey Show, Ellen DeGeneres, Entertainment Tonight, The Insider, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy!But it's expensive for stations to download, and until recently few did. Just 40 stations were carrying Two and a Half Men in HD last summer. But more stations in the top 75 to 100 markets are completing installation of Pathfire systems that will make handling syndication HD easier.

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This issue occurred to me when I was commenting on syndicated Seinfeld in HD in the DC-Baltimore thread. Seinfeld in HD is cropped to 16:9 on TBS-HD (with a little from the original framing added on the side), how will that work for the SD converter boxes and SD/analog cable channels? Will they center cut the cropped 16:9 (for the ugly zoomed in cropped look) or set the AFD to letter box it? On second thought, that is one reason for delaying the syndication roll-out of Seinfeld in HD - wait until the digital transition is almost done so the AFD option is in place (in theory anyway).
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Hopefully they will finally destroy the old master.
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Seinfeld in HD is cropped to 16:9 on TBS-HD (with a little from the original framing added on the side), how will that work for the SD converter boxes and SD/analog cable channels? Will they center cut the cropped 16:9 (for the ugly zoomed in cropped look) or set the AFD to letter box it? On second thought, that is one reason for delaying the syndication roll-out of Seinfeld in HD - wait until the digital transition is almost done so the AFD option is in place (in theory anyway).

This indeed could be quite interesting, as no doubt many people will end up getting a show that is cropped on all four sides! I hesitate to think what that will look like. Since many providers are already presenting center cut on the SD channels, there is no doubt that this WILL happen.

I doubt that waiting for AFD was the reason for the delay in getting this show in HD syndication. The main reason (from what I've been told) is that when queried, very few stations expressed any interest in it. We'll see how true that is on the 26th, when we get a sense of how many stations are airing it in HD.
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I was up late last night nursing a cold and was surprised to see my local MyNetworkTV station (WMYA, Anderson SC) showing Byron Allen's "Comics Unleashed" in HD. TitanTV also lists "Law & Order: CI" as being in HD, but I didn't stay awake long enough (2 a.m.) to see for myself.
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One of the big problems with syndicated programs being available in HD is that the local station carrying them cannot present them in HD if they don't have the equipment to do so. Our local ABC station here in Albuquerque (KOAT) does not present Ellen, Oprah, "Live with Regis and Kelly" in HD due to their 19th century engineering facility (their can't record the program in HD and present it in HD to the viewers in the time slot they want to play it in). Quite a bummer.
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If they use the new master the quality will be much improved even at SD.
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