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It says 119 signatures right now.

There are three signatue pages:
View Signatures : 123 73 23

Last night when I posted it totaled right at 200...

now: 219
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I just signed it. Have you posted on Dbstalk and satelliteguys also? If not, please do so.

Your more than welcome to pass the word and post the links else where.. I don't know the 'Satelliteguys', but have posted at dbstalk.com.

Remember while right now it may only be effecting DirecTV customers the most.. the same feeds will get showing up on your local cable systems HD feeds soon.
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There are three signatue pages:
View Signatures : 123 73 23

Last night when I posted it totaled right at 200...

now: 219

125 total signatures right now.

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It's 1080i on my TWC system. 1920x1080i.

Interesting, do they transmit any other channels that would seem to be 720p at 1080i, or vis versa?

It makes sense to me that TBS would be 1080i, why it's 720p on DirecTV is a bit of a mystery.



Okay, time to get out the torches and storm the DirecTV offices. The following is from a TBS press release as noted in the following thread,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post10884491

TBS in HD will be broadcast in 1080i 24 hours a day and use Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound across all TBS in HD programming. In addition, TBS in HD will present all of its programming, including promotional content and commercials, in 16:9 wide-screen, giving viewers a consistent viewing experience.

So the question is, is DirecTV deliberately down-rezzing TBS-HD, or have they just screwed up? I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that it's just a mistake because the alternative is not very pretty.
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Hey everyone!

I thought I'd make an appearance over here. The site I'm working on (the one mx6bfast posted a link to earlier) is http://digitalcaffeine.com/hd/

It's a work in progress... and only includes HD channels carried by DirecTV (for now).

If you find any inaccuracies, please let me know. For example, HDNet and HDNet Movies is currently listed as "Broadcasts SD Content Proprerly," even though they are HD only. I don't think they even show SD commercials, but I haven't yet confirmed that.

But if an "HD only" network such as Discovery HD Theater zooms SD commercials... they get an ALL in the appropriate column and a footnote that states the "real" content is all HD.

I'd really appreciate any help you can offer. mx6bfast, thanks for pointing me in this direction!

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It seems that most all messages in DirecTV's own tech support forum having to do with ""Original Aspect Ratio"" are being deleted?!

Does this mean that DirecTV is supporting this practice of "Stretch-O-Vision" so that they can claim programing as HD which really is not?

As of 04:09am CST: Petition Signatures : 161 111 61 11 = 344
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As of 04:09am CST: Petition Signatures : 161 111 61 11 = 344

161 total.

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161 total.

Marcus:

Why do you keep posting that there are few signers, do you like watching programing in 'Stretch-O-Vision'?

I now see that I was miss-reading the number.. I was thinking that there were four pages with a total for each page..

Now I am really sad!
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The total is currently 164 signatures. The other numbers are just page markers to take you to different parts of the list of 164 signatures.
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The total is currently 164 signatures. The other numbers are just page markers to take you to different parts of the list of 164 signatures.

I guess we know now how many people are reading these threads.
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btw...since most of these new HD channels stretch 4:3 content, I have only watched about an hour of them total since they went live last week. If they weren't stretched I'd watch them a lot more. I've tuned to CNN and Weather more than the stretching channels.

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As expected, NBC/Universal properties are maintaining their OAR policy with SCI FI HD, BRAVO HD and USA HD.

Kudos to NBC/U
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As expected, NBC/Universal properties are maintaining their OAR policy with SCI FI HD, BRAVO HD and USA HD.

Kudos to NBC/U

Are they labeling everything correctly? I didn't get the chance to check this morning.

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As expected, NBC/Universal properties are maintaining their OAR policy with SCI FI HD, BRAVO HD and USA HD.

Kudos to NBC/U

What exactly does AOR mean? Do you guys have any idea if FIOS since it has a deal with NBC/U will be showing SCI FI HD anytime soon?
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What exactly does AOR mean? Do you guys have any idea if FIOS since it has a deal with NBC/U will be showing SCI FI HD anytime soon?

OAR means "original aspect ratio". It's not distorted from it's original format.
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What exactly does AOR mean?

OAR means "original aspect ratio." AOR means "album oriented rock."
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Are they labeling everything correctly? I didn't get the chance to check this morning.

At this point - I'd say "yes". SciFi and Bravo aren't showing anything in HD yet in the guide, USA is showing a few things in HD (but not everything).
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I absolutely hate stretching. I can usually unstretch it on my SXRD, but that doesn't work for the stupid "fish-eye stretch." I've already e-mailed each respective company and let them know of my displeasure.

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I added in the poll over at dbstalk in the first post. I don't remember if someone posted it in this thread.

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I just noticed TBS stretches all commercials even if they are in a 16x9 ratio. This leaves letterbox pillars on the top and bottom. Why is it ok to have black bars on the top and bottom but not the sides?

I don't really care about commercials, just wanted to point out how what a crappy job they are doing.
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MHD (332) launched this morning. They aren't stretching videos. The one non-MHD commercial was a Bose commercial that I saw was in HD. I would assume they wouldn't stretch commercials if they aren't stretching videos. I put them in the Keep As Is section.

I have to get ready for work so can someone confirm they aren't stretching commercials also?

EDIT: Just saw a 4:3 commercial not stretched. Yea!

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The flat panel trade group isn't going to like this. Not stretching gives the buyers the idea that they don't need that new wide screen TV.
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The flat panel trade group isn't going to like this. Not stretching gives the buyers the idea that they don't need that new wide screen TV.

So then how would they watch HD programs?

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The flat panel trade group isn't going to like this. Not stretching gives the buyers the idea that they don't need that new wide screen TV.


Doubt it. Crappy images people think are HD gives the buyers the impression that there's no need to upgrade all the other TVs in the house.
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First post updated with new channels. CNBC and NG don't stretch, and Food Network does.

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I noticed that A&E and History have changed thier stretch mode. It's still stretched, but it's not as bad. They used to be super wide with black bars top/bottom. Now they don't, it actually fills the entire screen.
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I'm really disturbed by these channels dicking around with 4:3 content. Leave it to the consumer to zoom, stretch, etc. I know it's a marketing gimmick, but how patronizing!

What is worse is when the channel claims a show is HD, but it's really just stretched. That's false advertising.

im just noticing (cuz i dont really watch these channels anyway, yet) the stretch on a&ehd, tnthd, natgeohd, etc. WTF?? their sponsors can rest assured, i wont be watching those channels and buying their products! until they change to 'normal' hd!
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First post updated with new channels. CNBC and NG don't stretch, and Food Network does.

I have not seen anything stretched on Food HD.
Everything I have seen is really crisp high quality 16x9 HD.
Did you really mean to say that about this channel?
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im just noticing (cuz i dont really watch these channels anyway, yet) the stretch on a&ehd, tnthd, natgeohd, etc.

NatGeoHD does not stretch...
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