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post #181 of 310 Old 04-03-2008, 10:46 PM
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I just noticed this a short while ago on some CBS evening programming. It sort of looks like widescreen, but you can tell it is not by the narrow bands on either side. I agree that it is only going to confuse those new to HDTV. Dumb idea!

Must be something your provider is doing, I've never seen any CBS content stretched or widened like you say.
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It is coming from CBS Detroit via Star Choice. The program prior to CSI was stretched and zoomed.

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It is coming from CBS Detroit via Star Choice. The program prior to CSI was stretched and zoomed.

"Survivor"? Don't watch it, but I thought it was shown 4x3 pilarboxed, pretty sure it is here in SF, KPIX(CBS O&O).
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I will check Bell ExpressVu tomorrow evening ... they pick up CBS Boston.

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"Survivor"? Don't watch it, but I thought it was shown 4x3 pilarboxed, pretty sure it is here in SF, KPIX(CBS O&O).

If the odd looking show was "Survivor", then that is a local issue. Many local affiliates stretch 4:3 programming, even network. Luckily Cleveland TV no longer stretches anything. Our CBS(WOIO) sends through the network digital feed in 4:3.

The skinny sidebars sound like an awful local practice. At one time, we had a station that did some local programming in a 14:9 stretch.
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I just noticed this a short while ago on some CBS evening programming. It sort of looks like widescreen, but you can tell it is not by the narrow bands on either side. I agree that it is only going to confuse those new to HDTV. Dumb idea!

That is done by some CBS affiliates. WWJ in Detroit does this. CBS network programming uses regular 4:3.
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So it's local content then, luckily, none of the SF stations do that, it's 16x9 or 4x3 native pillarboxed for all programming.
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WLAJ (Lansing ABC affiliate) also stretches to 14:9.
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WLAJ (Lansing ABC affiliate) also stretches to 14:9.

Just to make it clear, WWJ actually zooms to 14:9. The top and bottom are cut off, the picture is not deformed at all.
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KABC Los Angeles used to do that, haven't looked recently to see if they still do it or not.
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WLAJ definitely stretches (at least when I flip past it and the nightly news or Kimmel Live is on).
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WBAL stopped stretching/zooming this year, and amazingly enough the world didn't end.

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WBAL stopped stretching/zooming this year, and amazingly enough the world didn't end.

I'm surprised that many still do it. The last hold out in Cleveland was WKYC(NBC), who stopped in December of '06. I believe they used the non-linear stretch b/c they had the awful "funhouse mirror" effect.
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I believe they used the non-linear stretch b/c they had the awful "funhouse mirror" effect.

I'm confused as to why someone would want to use the non-linear stretch. Stretching is bad but then adding that extra dimension is just retarded.

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I'm surprised that many still do it.

Still? WWJ just started doing it last month! They had been OAR since the beginning.
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I'm confused as to why someone would want to use the non-linear stretch.

The idea is that the center of the image is relatively less distorted than it would be in a linear stretch, and the most important action tends to take place in the center (a questionable assumption).

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I'm confused as to why someone would want to use the non-linear stretch.

The idea is that the center of the image is relatively less distorted than it would be in a linear stretch, and the most important action tends to take place in the center (a questionable assumption).

My (one person's)order of preference:
  • OAR (4:3)
  • Zoom (ala Discovery Networks) (barely acceptable)
  • Non-Linear Stretch (Not Acceptable)
  • Linear Stretch (ABSOLUTELY Not Acceptable)

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I strongly prefer linear stretching to zoom or non-linear stretch, but my TV has a 4:3 mode for HD and will unstretch it cleanly. No such luck for non-linear stretches, and there's no way to recover the parts of the picture that get cropped with a 14:9 zoom like Discovery does.
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I strongly prefer linear stretching to zoom or non-linear stretch, but my TV has a 4:3 mode for HD and will unstretch it cleanly. No such luck for non-linear stretches, and there's no way to recover the parts of the picture that get cropped with a 14:9 zoom like Discovery does.

But what would your preference be if your TV didn't have that 4:3 mode for HD? Most sets don't.

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I'll watch the SD digital simulcast. SD channels look no worse than stretched/cropped/otherwise molested upconverts thanks to the low bitrate feeds on most channels combined with Cox's new 3:1 HD channel compression.
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Zoom (ala A&E) (barely acceptable)

A&E does linear stretching. As far as national channels go, only Discovery Networks does zoom.
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A&E does linear stretching. As far as national channels go, only Discovery Networks does zoom.

Jeremy, You're correct. Thanks for catching that. I've amended my OP.

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Just to make it clear, WWJ actually zooms to 14:9. The top and bottom are cut off, the picture is not deformed at all.

My CBS affliate does a very slight zoom on local SD content (not the network stuff) - maybe 13x9 at the most. There are still pillar bars, but they're slightly smaller. I think they do it to prevent VITC and hide edge damage from older analog video on flat panels with little or no overscan. It's not enough to cut off the bugs, but it shaves maybe 1/4 to 1/3 off the pillars on each side.

I'll forgive them since it actually puts the bugs and fonts closer to the edge of my screen and their HD and SD on the digital channel looks better than any other affiliate.
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Please differentiate in the original post between stretching and zooming/cropping. Stretching is significantly worse (as pointed out in the posts just above mine).

Thanks.
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Why is "Gangland" in stretchovision AND letterbox on History "HD"? It is listed in the guide as HDTV yet it is still stretched. A&E/History have been pretty honest in what they call HD(compared to Turner/TNT/TBS) but this is just stupid. Back to History SD
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Why is "Gangland" in stretchovision AND letterbox on History "HD"?

History HD seems to love doing that.
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History HD seems to love doing that.


History HD would be my #1 favorite channel in a heartbeat. Yet their stretch-game where you never know if the new episodes you record are OAR or stretched makes the channel barely watchable. Painful really. I literally instantly delete half the new episodes of shows that I record to my DVR because they are streteched 16:9...

For a channel seemingly directed towards intellectuals, they certainly have some assclowns running things behind the scenes. TBS level assclowns. We're too smart for this...
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For a channel seemingly directed towards intellectuals

The History Channel was Tony Soprano's favorite channel.

Just sayin'.
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The History Channel was Tony Soprano's favorite channel.

Just sayin'.

So, you're saying it's "whack"?
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So, you're saying it's "whack"?

I think Tony would be for whacking those assclowns. He's got that big HDTV and he's pissed about the stretching. Or maybe he could cut off the stretcher's finger (send 'em a message)
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