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Old 01-08-2008, 12:49 AM
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Ken, you know I'm not much of a word mincer... However, truth be told, that was the PC version. I had to revise the first draft because of this being a family board and all .

I certainly haven't minced words on my web site. I did a first, but they they really pissed me off, so I let it fly. I suspect there are some family PeeCees that are blocking that particular page

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When you are 4th or 5th as NBC/CW are, you find any desperate way to plug shows. These promo bugs are commercials as far as I am concerned and should be looked at. If it doesn't stop, these networks will add more and more crap and they will look like Bloomburg.

Here's the catch-22 of that logic. If Joe Public isn't watching NBC or The CW, they aren't going to see that damn bug constantly announce such-n-such a show. The only viewers that will see that crap are the few that are watching and all those two networks are doing is driving them away al well.

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The bug on The Tonight Show is formatted for 16:9 and it seems they can't move it into 4:3 placement for the SD feed so they turned the logo off on it

Huh? The Leno tape is clean, there are zero bugs. The bug is inserted at NBC network operations. One bug inserter for HD and a different one for SD.

What you have pointed out is a screwup in network operations.

The CW, on the other hand, is such a small time operation, that two tapes are assembled for that nights progrmming. That network is not assembled from a server farm. The last I heard that was the case. Whatever screwup there is for the east coast feed is repeated exactly the same for the west coast.

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One day the networks and their ad buyers will realize that less is more. For instance, The Masters employs a far more effective advertising strategy than any of primetime programming. Sponsored programming with few sponsors and limited interruptions generates the most consumer goodwill and the most consumer retention of the product.

BINGO! That happens every now and then. An example is an episode of American Dreams, where Ford was the sole sponsor and limited the ads. One of the ads was a very well put together 2-minute mini-movie that worked really well. It was so well done, that I extracted out that HD ad and kept it.

That is the way it should be done.

BTW, there isn't anything that will get me to buy a Ford, not even that ad

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Fix the overscan setting on your TV.

Drop pay-TV. Put up an antenna. Enjoy free HDTV. Save $60-100 or more per month!
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Yes this is a major turn off for me, sometimes It makes me change the channel, Fox and SCI-FI are almost as bad as TNT and NBC.
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I must be dense - JSP?

He probably means "Joe Six Pack", most common abbreviated "J6P". A reference to the common man; as opposed to anyone reading or posting at AVS Forum, who is probably at least a little-bit of an A/V-ophile.

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I was wondering where MrVideo was lately and he's now catching up burning the midnight oil! Perhaps our complaints to NBC are working, somewhat. I watched part of 1 vs 100 and the transparent bug (AMERICAN GLADIATORS) was an improvement, but overlaid some of the graphics, as they did on Deal or No Deal. About the only NBC show I have watched lately other than the Redskins-Seahawks.

The CW is a total waste of time these days. I can't enjoy Smallville anymore.
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I was wondering where MrVideo was lately and he's now catching up burning the midnight oil! Perhaps our complaints to NBC are working, somewhat. I watched part of 1 vs 100 and the transparent bug (AMERICAN GLADIATORS) was an improvement, but overlaid some of the graphics, as they did on Deal or No Deal. About the only NBC show I have watched lately other than the Redskins-Seahawks.

The CW is a total waste of time these days. I can't enjoy Smallville anymore.

If they wanted to make an even better improvement get rid of the promotion of new shows above the bug. I'd be happy with just the transparent bug. I'll never be happy with the bug and then promoting another show.

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I'd be happy with just the transparent bug.

I never thought I'd say this, but me too. I've hated bugs since day one, but now it seems we are lucky if that's all we get. I had to a piece of black cardboard over the corner of my screen last night during "Medium" -- no way was I going to stare at that for an hour. There's something about TEXT being there -- your eye just keeps on reading it, even if you don't want to. Of course, I'm sure that's what they are hoping for. Even though I read it, it did not cause me to take any action (other than covering it up) ...
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I had to a piece of black cardboard over the corner of my screen last night during "Medium" -- no way was I going to stare at that for an hour. There's something about TEXT being there -- your eye just keeps on reading it, even if you don't want to. Of course, I'm sure that's what they are hoping for.

Every time you guys point out something like this, I have to go back. I'd just finished watching my recording of Medium and I'd never noticed that text (hadn't really been aware of the bug). Doesn't much matter--I don't care for L&O: CI (can't stand the D'Onofrio character) and no matter how much they advertise it, I ain't watching it. But apparently they are getting through to somebody .

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The CW, on the other hand, is such a small time operation, that two tapes are assembled for that nights progrmming. That network is not assembled from a server farm. The last I heard that was the case.

Last I heard that small time operation was called CBS.
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I'd be happy with just the transparent bug.

I would be too! I was looking forward to january '08, since it is an Olympic year. I was expecting the original, transparent NBC/Olympic logo to come back. And I was expecting it to be on the RIGHT side of the screen. I cannot stand this dirty white/grey colored peacock logo. I've hated it since the beginning of last season. Especially on dark shows like L&O:SVU, L&O, ER, and Medium, that opaque logo REALLY stands out.

My favorite logo was the clear peacock w/NBC lettering under it on the right side of the screen on HD and the small clear peacock on the right side of the screen for letterbox programming.

I am glad to see the "NBC HD" logo gone. That was the most hideous thing I've ever seen! A high school student could design a better logo. That opaque white bird with "HD" superimposed next to it. I hope that eyesore never comes back!
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I would be too! I was looking forward to january '08, since it is an Olympic year.

It's a Summer Games year, with the competition to be held in Beijing in August (you can see the schedule here. The next Winter Games will be held in Vancouver in February, 2010.

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It's a Summer Games year, with the competition to be held in Beijing in August (you can see the schedule here. The next Winter Games will be held in Vancouver in February, 2010.

I know it's a Summer Olympic year. I was looking forward to January because NBC starts using the Olympic logo in January of Summer Olympic years and at the beginning of the TV season for Winter Olympic years. I was expecting the old Olympic logo, but I see they made the Olympic branding fit around their new advertising campaign.

And you're right, I'm looking forward to seeing this summer's games in HD; my first time!
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And you're right, I'm looking forward to seeing this summer's games in HD; my first time!

Ah, your first Olympic year with HDTV! NBC Universal usually spreads coverage out throughout their HD and standard-def channels. I was a bit disappointed last time by what they chose to cover in HD on Universal HD--I think that it was mostly Hockey. There may be at least one new HD channel in their group this time.

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There may be at least one new HD channel in their group this time.

USA is already in HD, but only on DirecTV and Comcast. CNBC has an HD channel on DirecTV and an HD conversion may be coming to MSNBC, the cable side of NBC News this year. These channels launching is only half the battle. The REAL hard part will be Time Warner adding them to their line up.
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I'm really feeling the pain of not having USA-HD tonight with Monk and Psych. The "blown up" letterboxed/480i picture on USA SD is GARBAGE compared to a true 1080i HD broadcast.

I did get to see Psych in HD once when it was on NBC HD last year.
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USA is already in HD, but only on DirecTV.

Not true: For Comcast in Annapolis, it's on digital channel 235. Psych was on in HD when I switched to it a few seconds ago.
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I watched Earl from last night and a few times the damn peacock would be all colorful, then they would show the grayed NBC logo and reminding me of some other show will come on.

Hey NBC guess what, I won't be watching it. Hell, I watched Earl 2 hours ago and I don't even remember what show you were trying to spam me to watch.

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USA is already in HD, but only on DirecTV. There are also rumors of CNBC launching HD and an HD conversion coming to MSNBC and NBC News this year.

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This is AVS. If you're going to start barking, you better be accurate, which your post is not.

- USA HD is available on Comcast in addition to DirecTV.

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Yes this is a major turn off for me, sometimes It makes me change the channel, Fox and SCI-FI are almost as bad as TNT and NBC.

Huh? Unless I'm missing something, Fox doesn't snipe/banner/whatever, their HD video.

Fox can't put text above the locally produced bug. They can go to the left of it though.

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He probably means "Joe Six Pack", most common abbreviated "J6P". A reference to the common man; as opposed to anyone reading or posting at AVS Forum, who is probably at least a little-bit of an A/V-ophile.

Yep, that old reference I understand. Just not seen it written as JSP. I would have missed J6P as well, since I haven't heard someone use that term in years.

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I was wondering where MrVideo was lately and he's now catching up burning the midnight oil!

I'm always up past midnight. Lately until 2-4am, with the alarm going off at 8am to go to work (M-F). I still can't seem to catch up.

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The CW is a total waste of time these days. I can't enjoy Smallville anymore.

Did you see my web page about all this, especially the inside joke during an episode of Gossip Girl?

Send e-mail to The CW bitching about their damn bug and snipes. I think it is feedback@thecw.com. Double-check their website.

What is sad is that CBS is part owner of the network and the big man has not come down on them about this. CBS doesn't do it, yet The CW does.

Dawn definately needs to be committed.

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Last I heard that small time operation was called CBS.

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nickdawg,

This is AVS. If you're going to start barking, you better be accurate, which your post is not.

- USA HD is available on Comcast in addition to DirecTV.

- CNBC HD is an existing HD channel, on DirecTV. (Graphics only)

- As for NBC News, the Today Show has been HD since September of 2006, and NBC Nightly News has been in HD since March 2007.

Ken, other than that I think he was right on target!
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Ken, other than that I think he was right on target!

Indeed.

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I tried to message them and got the message back, so I just went to their site. There actual e-mail as copied from their site is - feedback@CWTV.com


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I'm always up past midnight. Lately until 2-4am, with the alarm going off at 8am to go to work (M-F). I still can't seem to catch up.



Did you see my web page about all this, especially the inside joke during an episode of Gossip Girl?

Send e-mail to The CW bitching about their damn bug and snipes. I think it is feedback@thecw.com. Double-check their website.

What is sad is that CBS is part owner of the network and the big man has not come down on them about this. CBS doesn't do it, yet The CW does.

Dawn definately needs to be committed.

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I know it is somewhat off-topic but I would like to thank the stupid decision makers at the US networks for starting a trend that Australian networks (well one so far) are already copying.

Do they really think this helps their cause by advertising throughout the entire show?



Above is the first time an Aussie station has done this but it looks ridiculous. BTW, that is how it was on TV, there is no strange aliasing going on - it actually was difficult to read. Today they dropped it on the HD feed but changed the text to a larger size with increased clarity.

I really hate it when they feel the need to drive advertising in-show.
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This is an image of your future. "They" are driven by profit, not by aesthetics. The only way to prevent them from going down any specific path is to withhold the profit they get from going down that path. Otherwise, you're essentially endorsing their going down that path.
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