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Anyone have experience with FIOS (internet & TV)? How is it compared to Comcast or another local provider? Any problmes with the service? My only concerns is the 2 year contract and it seems as though they dont have as many HD channels as Comcast.
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A contract is not required for FiOS service. You'll probably want at least a one-year contract, though, as the price of Internet jumps from $39.99/mo to $47.99/mo without a one-year contract.

Verizon FiOS is definitely worth it. The standard FiOS HD channel lineup:
  1. ABC-HD
  2. CBS-HD
  3. FOX-HD
  4. NBC-HD
  5. CW-HD
  6. My WDCA
  7. PBS-HD
  8. PBS-HD (second, if it exists in your area)
  9. TNT-HD
  10. ESPN HD
  11. ESPN2 HD
  12. NFL Network HDTV
  13. Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (i.e. your local HD RSNs)
  14. HD Net
  15. HD Net Movies
  16. Universal HD
  17. HD Theater
  18. Wealth TV HD
  19. National Geographic Channel HD
  20. MHD
  21. Food Network HD
  22. HGTV HD
  23. A&E HD
  24. Lifetime Movie Network HD
  25. Discovery HD

  26. HBO HDTV
  27. Cinemax HDTV
  28. Showtime HDTV
  29. TMC HDTV
  30. Starz! HDTV
The price is $42.99/mo for 200+ digital channels with all of the above, save for the last five premiums. You can add Showtime HD, TMC HD, and Starz HD (plus 41 SD movie channels) for $12.99/mo total. Verizon announced there will be no increase in programming prices until 2009 if you sign up by January 18.

Verizon has also announced that an additional 60 HD channels are coming next spring, with 150 total HD channels by the end of 2008. As alluded to above, most new channels are coming at no extra charge. Unlike Comcast, Verizon FiOS does not include VOD channels in its count.

The main 'problem' with Verizon FiOS is that their DVR software is 'buggy.' They have a maintenance update coming in 2-3 weeks that should address most of those issues. Of course, the Comcast DVR isn't exactly 'bug free' either.



FiOS customers who want a top-quality DVR with storage expansion can buy their own dual-tuner TiVoHD HDTV DVR ($250) which supports all FiOS SD and HD channels. I am using a TiVoHD with 144 hours of HD storage with FiOS.

Verizon FiOS does not have any plans to use SDV.
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bfdtv,

Excellent summary. Thanks.

Fios is coming to my area in Jan or Feb, so I really appreciate your very informative post. Looks like I'll miss the Jan 18 deadline for locking in prices. Oh well. I'll still be glad to switch from Dish to Fios.
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Are the regular (non HD) channel on FIOS clearer than the Comcast channels? Also, I think the FIOS guy said we needed to do a 2-year contract. Thanks for the help. Great summary!
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i wish TWC had that many HD channels ..
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Are the regular (non HD) channel on FIOS clearer than the Comcast channels?

Yes.

Verizon FiOS allocates 7-9 SD channels per QAM (38.8Mbps). Verizon FiOS is probably the only cable provider still distributing many of its SD channels in 704x480 @ 4-5Mbps. Most cable providers re-encode to 528x480 or 544x480 at a lower bitrate to squeeze 11-12 SD channels per QAM.
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BFDTV covered the TV side well, the internet story is actually better.

I switched from COMCAST where I paid extra for 8Mbits access (~$72 as of a year ago) and was actually getting between 3-4 MBits. I switched to FIOS internet getting their 15 down / 2 up, at $42. I measured the speed, and got a solid 14-15 down / 1.8 - 2 up on a wired line. About three months later checked for any deals and was upgraded to a 20 /5 for the same price. The installation went well, they give you a wired / wireless router.

I also switched my phone from a regular verizon line to a FIOS line, have had clear lines without any problems, and I saved some money there also.

The TV side is great (some issues with the interface on the DVR). I've stayed with the DVR, other than some glitches, no issues there. I switched from D*. The PQ has to be seen to be believed.
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Just to add: The only complaints you typically hear about FiOS are about its HD DVR (especially the new software upgrade). The PQ, however, is absolutely fantastic, and they have started add HD VOD titles recently. Internet is very nice, which allows you to stream other content as you wish. I expect the DVR situation to clear up over time.
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If PQ is your biggest concern, then FIOS is a no-brainer.
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I left DE right when it hit Dover and I was really looking forward to it. My roommates have it and seem to really enjoy it aside from the DVR.
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dont forget not only is HD VOD available but 60 HD channels are gonna be available by spring!!!
http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-...-fivefold.html

and crazy fast broadband with speeds like
20/20 or 15/15
50/20 or 30/15

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dont forget not only is HD VOD available but 60 HD channels are gonna be available by spring!!!
http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-...-fivefold.html

and crazy fast broadband with speeds like
20/20 or 15/15
50/20 or 30/15


Yes, but the pricing is ridiculously high for these new upload speeds.

"Pricing for these new services varies by market and ranges from $89.95 to $139.95 a month with an annual contract."
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i would switch to fios tomorrow if they'd run fiber in my neighborhood... and i get very good pq from comcast now...

i WANT 50/20 broadband...

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i would switch to fios tomorrow if they'd run fiber in my neighborhood... and i get very good pq from comcast now...

i WANT 50/20 broadband...

So would most of tech-savvy america...are you listening Verizon big-wigs?? STOP JUST ADDING FIOS TO LOCATIONS WHERE YOU ARE THE LOCAL TELCO. The initial costs will be outweighed by the cash you will reap putting Comcrap, TWC, and other TV/Internet providers out of business.
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the aggravating part is that verizon IS my local telco...

i guess that's what i get for living on the po' side of town...

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Yes, but the pricing is ridiculously high for these new upload speeds.

"Pricing for these new services varies by market and ranges from $89.95 to $139.95 a month with an annual contract."

The 20/5 package (where available) is $49.99/mo. The 15/15 and 20/20 packages cost $64.99/mo. The 30/15 and 50/20 packages are $89.99/mo.

Edit: In CA and MD, the price on 30/15 is up to $139.95/mo.
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FiOS won't be coming to my large, urban area for quite a while ... in its full version.
The versions with DirecTV as a provider don't count.
Maybe by that time they'll get all the local sports teams in HD ... [New York City] as of now they don't ...
People have been saying the PQ is good, I see that the PQ is good ... but those that have had the system for a while are now seeing the reality of full fees, and the taxes that come from being part of an old-line telephone company.
I tell them to call the company and dangle the name of the competition to get a lower rate.
Oh, competition is nice ....
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i think the price of top data tier (30/15, or 50/20) varies by market. as the old 30/5 is/was $54.99 in VA. i think its still the same price. and when i did a price check for a customer in floridia back in feb the top tier was $139.99 but than again floridia got the $99 buldle before VA and the national bundle deals that went into effect mid march.

well this is just off memory i dont have the print screens any more to back up this info.

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FiOS won't be coming to my large, urban area for quite a while ... in its full version.
The versions with DirecTV as a provider don't count.
Maybe by that time they'll get all the local sports teams in HD ... [New York City] as of now they don't ...
People have been saying the PQ is good, I see that the PQ is good ... but those that have had the system for a while are now seeing the reality of full fees, and the taxes that come from being part of an old-line telephone company.
I tell them to call the company and dangle the name of the competition to get a lower rate.
Oh, competition is nice ....

There are no taxes on FiOS Internet service. You pay state sales tax on FiOS TV, as well as any fees required by your particular municipality.

My ~$100/mo bill (total) for 30/5 FiOS Internet, FiOS TV service, and CableCards includes about $5 in total taxes.
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FiOS won't be coming to my large, urban area for quite a while ... in its full version.
The versions with DirecTV as a provider don't count.
Maybe by that time they'll get all the local sports teams in HD ... [New York City] as of now they don't ...
People have been saying the PQ is good, I see that the PQ is good ... but those that have had the system for a while are now seeing the reality of full fees, and the taxes that come from being part of an old-line telephone company.
I tell them to call the company and dangle the name of the competition to get a lower rate.
Oh, competition is nice ....

I also got the telephone / internet first (with a D* bundle) since I already had TV. The main stopping point to getting the TV portion in was not controlled by Verizon, since they were good to go, but by the local town politicians, who had awarded COMCAST a cable monopoly for the town. It was only after several council meetings where we demanded that they allow FIOS TV to come in (one of which COMCAST attended to argue against it) that we prevailed. The main argument used was that COMCAST provided local access channels which would be lost if they no longer were the only option.
Verizon I think probably would salivate over getting New York as a market, they may be being delayed due to local politics.
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Verizon I think probably would salivate over getting New York as a market, they may be being delayed due to local politics.

You'd think so, but likewise you'd think Verizon would salivate over getting into Silicon Valley, especially considering they have a statewide franchise license in CA so they don't need to politick around, just getting city permits, lay fiber, and reap in the cash considering this is an affluent market and they would singlehandedly put cable/sat out of business.

With a full nationwide rollout, Verizon could kill Comcast, TWC, DirecTV, and Dish in 5-10 years.

but they are dumb and living in the tech-savvy silicon valley, I probably won't ever see a Fiber to the premises service (let alone FIOS) here in my lifetime. Good luck to the rest of you, and those of you that have it, don't take it for granted.
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i would say that Vz could dominate the cable co's and hurt D* a little but there are some ppl that wont let go of D*, i know i wont because of many reasons.

DVR's monthly are cheaper with D*
Caller ID on TV. (i think Iobi is required to get CID on tv with Fios TV)
NFL ST, and other sports programing like NBA LP etc.
24 HR billing support, currently (in my obversation) Vz closes on sundays, only available for PPV orders on sunday.
more spanish programing.
currently more HD, but with Vz and HD VOD its tempting.

and like i currently have D* on my Vz bill so i see no reason to switch to Fios Video.

but yea i hope in the next years Fios really hurts all major cable co's

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DVR's monthly are cheaper with D*
Caller ID on TV. (i think Iobi is required to get CID on tv with Fios TV)

I agree with some of your other points, but:

Verizon has indicated that on-screen caller ID is coming in 2008.

A $399 DVR + $5/mo DVR fee works out to $25/mo over two years or $16.08/mo ovor three years. Verizon charges $12.99/mo per DVR -- soon to be $15.99/mo -- but they plan to swap out the existing DVRs with a next-generation MPEG-4 capable unit in less than two years.
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I agree with some of your other points, but:

Verizon has indicated that on-screen caller ID is coming in 2008.

A $399 DVR + $5/mo DVR fee works out to $25/mo over two years or $16.08/mo ovor three years. Verizon charges $12.99/mo per DVR -- soon to be $15.99/mo -- but they plan to swap out the existing DVRs with a next-generation MPEG-4 capable unit in less than two years.

yea but not everyone gets charged $399 for the D* HR20, mine was like $1 something and all my R15s were free with the D* online code (DVR4u2)

but yea don't get me wrong i love Vz but i will just pass on the video for now.

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if fios had nfl ST, i would switch.... but thats also if they provide it in my area.... my sister can get it on her block but she doesnt want it... arrrrggghhhhh

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so it sounds like everyone is for FIOS.

Thanks for the comments.
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i would say that Vz could dominate the cable co's and hurt D* a little but there are some ppl that wont let go of D*, i know i wont because of many reasons.

DVR's monthly are cheaper with D*
Caller ID on TV. (i think Iobi is required to get CID on tv with Fios TV)
NFL ST, and other sports programing like NBA LP etc.
24 HR billing support, currently (in my obversation) Vz closes on sundays, only available for PPV orders on sunday.
more spanish programing.
currently more HD, but with Vz and HD VOD its tempting.

and like i currently have D* on my Vz bill so i see no reason to switch to Fios Video.

but yea i hope in the next years Fios really hurts all major cable co's

Caller ID on TV? Come on now, that's not a selling point. Landlines are becoming a thing of the past anyways.

NFL-ST is only exclusive to D* until 2010. I don't think the NFL renew this as I think they will see they can make big money negotiating with individual cable /sat giants, even D* gets ticked off and refuses to carry (they won't).

I hope FIOS will hurt all major cable co's too, but it won't happen unless Verizon gets their head out of their a** and plans a rapid full scale nationwide rollout, NOT JUST PLACES WHERE THEY ARE THE LOCAL TELCO, BUT RATHER MARKETS WHERE THEY WILL MAKE A KILLING.
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I don't think the NFL renew this as I think they will see they can make big money negotiating with individual cable /sat giants, even D* gets ticked off and refuses to carry (they won't).

No offense, but you're out of your mind. DirecTV will get the exclusive in 2010. Do you think the "big money" hasn't been there every other time they've negotiated? Of course it has. Nothing has changed, nothing is new. The NFL doesn't want NFLST to be widely distributed, to help protect the networks and their affiliates. That's not going to change.
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No offense, but you're out of your mind. DirecTV will get the exclusive in 2010. Do you think the "big money" hasn't been there every other time they've negotiated? Of course it has. Nothing has changed, nothing is new. The NFL doesn't want NFLST to be widely distributed, to help protect the networks and their affiliates. That's not going to change.

No offense, but you are out of your mind.

Why do you think the NFL has started broadcasting games on the NFL network? It's certainly not to protect networks and their affiliates. It is to prepare, in several years when the FOX/CBS contracts run out, to show all games on the NFL network, bypassing the need for FOX/CBS. Then the NFL will stop having to be at the mercy of networks and affiliates and will sell NFL ST rights to Comcast, TWC, Adelphia, E*, and yes, D* if they are not ticked off about how they will lose exclusivity. I can't believe I'm the only one who sees that the NFL is going to move all games to the NFL network, that way they won't need FOX/CBS.
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I can't believe I'm the only one who sees that the NFL is going to move all games to the NFL network[/b]

You're the only one who sees it because it's not going to happen. You are talking some seriously crazy stuff now. If the NFL moved all of their games to NFL Network, they would go bankrupt. Period. The networks pay billions to the NFL for the rights to broadcast the games. All of that revenue will be gone, and the severely reduced rates that advertisers would be willing to pay to show their ads on NFL Network would not even come close to making up for it.

Your arguments make no sense when you actually start digging into the financial aspects, instead of just looking at the surface.
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