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TravelFan1's Avatar TravelFan1 07:44 AM 12-13-2007

I know we have been having various posts about the pop-ups, etc, on NBC, like the is NBC the new TNT and others, but I, in fact, my wife and I, are so pissed off with all the cluttering that most networks are putting on our screens that I've decided to vent a bit and create a new post - Mods >> I hope you do not mind.

NBC >> I don't give a rat's... that Battle of Choirs or whatever will start whenever... but TAKE THAT DAMN pop-up out of my screen! When, say, I am watching Deal or No deal, I want to watch the models, Howie, the contestants, etc...

Fox 5 NY >> While you are showing Senfield, I don't care that I can go to your website and find more info if it's going to steal 1/3 of the Screen space

Discovery >> I am a huge fan of Mythbusters, so I know I can watch more in your website about the show!

ABC >> A BIG THANK YOU! for not cluttering your shows like Housewifes, etc. Just a request: Do the same thing during the next Fifa World Cup!!!!

I hope some network execs read these posts, because rather than making us want to watch these damn shows, web sites, etc, this is only making us NOT TO WANT TO WATCH these damn new crappy shows!



CycloneGT's Avatar CycloneGT 07:57 AM 12-13-2007
I hate to say it, but in this age of DVRs, this practice will never go away. Just like ads on web pages, there are here to stay. And they likely will spread and get worse too.

Merry Christmas...
gjvrieze's Avatar gjvrieze 07:59 AM 12-13-2007
It is getting pretty bad, I am really sick on NBC already, I like the peacock with the Christmas hat, but the dumb advertising next to it is very annoying.....
At least CBS and ABC are pretty decent about their HDTV and a lack of lower thirds......
westgate's Avatar westgate 07:59 AM 12-13-2007
for the same and more reasons, i recently dumped my comcast hd service after 3+ yrs. i only had it for movies but now i get them, hd and sd dvds, from netflix; or buy them.

were i a sports fan i probably would have kept service but im not so 'ef'em!

im saving a c-note a month. using it on hd and sd dvds.
gjvrieze's Avatar gjvrieze 08:01 AM 12-13-2007
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Originally Posted by CycloneGT View Post

I hate to say it, but in this age of DVRs, this practice will never go away. Just like ads on web pages, there are here to stay. And they likely will spread and get worse too.

Merry Christmas...

But at least on web pages, thank God for Ad Block for Firefox:-)
I never buy products because I have seen them on tv or any other form of advertising, I would encourage others to do the same....
joed32's Avatar joed32 08:06 AM 12-13-2007
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But at least on web pages, thank God for Ad Block for Firefox:-)
I never buy products because I have seen them on tv or any other form of advertising, I would encourage others to do the same....

If the advertisers thought that no one bought products because of the Ads on TV shows, they would stop advertising on TV. No more TV shows would be produced.
rajmarie's Avatar rajmarie 08:16 AM 12-13-2007
they r also doing the same on their SD channels (since there is no HD of these channels in my area yet). Its like almost 1/3 of the screen is filled up. They do it write after all the ads they show...& the main program start. Really annoying
dmoisan's Avatar dmoisan 08:27 AM 12-13-2007
Anyone watch Today? The animated peacock bug MUST DIE! That is not only annoying, but it must take up more of the bitrate than Weather Plus!
Knicks_Fan's Avatar Knicks_Fan 09:07 AM 12-13-2007
That animated peacock/TODAY has been there awhile, they recently added the scrolling "today.com" crap below it. The word "TODAY" now appears 4 times when they are pillarboxing! I have lost a lot of respect for this networks' overshilling. Leave the ads for the commerical breaks, please.
dp70's Avatar dp70 11:42 AM 12-13-2007
But there's more to come... they haven't tried translucent text over the WHOLE SCREEN yet, have they?



...and then when folks get used to that, animated versions of the same...
Jayderek's Avatar Jayderek 12:33 PM 12-13-2007
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But there's more to come... they haven't tried translucent text over the WHOLE SCREEN yet, have they?



...and then when folks get used to that, animated versions of the same...

wait...are there words on your picture?

oh! there they are.... took me a bit to notice.
agregjones's Avatar agregjones 01:03 PM 12-13-2007
More than a month ago, we covered the same topic here.

Some shows are now doing considerably better than their peers not because of live viewers but DVR viewers. Friday Night Lights is a good example of a show that gets a considerable boost from DVR viewership. DVR viewers are part of a prime demographic group for networks.

DVR viewers represent the right age and income ranges. DVR viewers watch fewer commercials. Networks, due to lagging ratings, are having to refund ad money. These items result in networks (NBC being the worst) pushing their own shows in the only space that the premium viewers watch.

As logical as it is, I hate the practice. Write NBC and the other offending networks and explain that you will no longer be watching their shows. Talk to the local station (in the case of broadcast networks) and explain that the network's practice will cost them local ad revenue as well. The only way to change this is to make the practice economically painful for the networks.

We are presented with an odd set of circumstances due to the writer's strike. The networks are suffering from serious ratings slumps due to the lack of new shows. Increased pressure on the already low ratings may have more impact during this slump.


P.S. Before anyone suggests the government regulating this, think again. That would, more than likely, only result in having political ads during the shows. Remember what a good job they did of excluding political calls from do not call legislation?
mikey mo's Avatar mikey mo 01:49 PM 12-13-2007
And with the political season soon to be in full swing, we ain't seen nuthin yet.
WaldorfSalad's Avatar WaldorfSalad 04:26 PM 12-13-2007
The wife and I were watching a program yesterday (I think it might have been Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares on Fox) when all of a sudden the screen got invaded by a bunch of f**king Chipmunks! It was an ad for a new Chipmunks movie. Wtf! Now they're interrupting TV programs to advertise movies! Whats next, Viagra pop-ups (think about it)?
NetworkTV's Avatar NetworkTV 04:52 PM 12-13-2007
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Whats next, Viagra pop-ups (think about it)?

Oh no - something like that would go in the vertical pillar bar region...

They could run them during The Bionic Woman. It would fit in with the whole "super strength" thing. It would also work in well with the wooden acting...
TravelFan1's Avatar TravelFan1 05:03 PM 12-13-2007
"More than a month ago, we covered the same topic here." - go back and read it again my posting, where I started by saying: "...like the is NBC the new TNT..."

WaldorfSalad >> Thanks for reminding me about that, while I was posting, I was pretty sure there was more crap from Fox, not only Fox 5 NY...
SPACEMAKER's Avatar SPACEMAKER 05:06 PM 12-13-2007
This thread is amusing only because our culture never ceases amaze me with it's ability to find new things to complain about.
TravelFan1's Avatar TravelFan1 05:08 PM 12-13-2007
Spacemaker, do you think it's ok all the clutter in the screen?
NetworkTV's Avatar NetworkTV 05:12 PM 12-13-2007
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This thread is amusing only because our culture never ceases amaze me with it's ability to find new things to complain about.

Including complaining about people complaining...
mx6bfast's Avatar mx6bfast 08:09 PM 12-13-2007
Maybe by his screen name he works for the companies that do this?

A little OT but with the ratings tanking how much of that could be because on average, at least 2 - 3 shows you will start watching watch season get canned? I think we only started watching 3 new shows this year, down from like 8 from years past.
milehighmike's Avatar milehighmike 10:13 PM 12-13-2007
Posted by agregjones:
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Before anyone suggests the government regulating this, think again.

I certainly don't have a cite, etc, but I seem to recollect that 20, 30 years ago, there was an FCC mandated limit on the number of minutes of commercials during primetime. Can anybody shed any light on this? Perhaps it's just an old wives tale in my mind??
NetworkTV's Avatar NetworkTV 10:37 PM 12-13-2007
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Posted by agregjones:

I certainly don't have a cite, etc, but I seem to recollect that 20, 30 years ago, there was an FCC mandated limit on the number of minutes of commercials during primetime. Can anybody shed any light on this? Perhaps it's just an old wives tale in my mind??

As far as I know, the only limits on commercial time pertain to children's programming - and that applies to any time. There's also a certain number of PSA's that need to be run. However, other than that, the networks could pretty run commercials for the entire prime time if they wanted.
MWJones's Avatar MWJones 11:03 PM 12-13-2007
Don't get your hopes up, but dline posted to the HOTP thread yesterday that the FCC is meeting Tuesday, December 18th, and on the proposed agenda is sponsorship identification rules with regard to "embedded advertising"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post12470413
Jeremy W's Avatar Jeremy W 11:23 PM 12-13-2007
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Don't get your hopes up, but dline posted to the HOTP thread yesterday that the FCC is meeting Tuesday, December 18th, and on the proposed agenda is sponsorship identification rules with regard to "embedded advertising"

All that means is that they're going to make the ads even more annoying because they'll have to tell us who paid for them.
NetworkTV's Avatar NetworkTV 11:28 PM 12-13-2007
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Don't get your hopes up, but dline posted to the HOTP thread yesterday that the FCC is meeting Tuesday, December 18th, and on the proposed agenda is sponsorship identification rules with regard to "embedded advertising"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post12470413

In other words, they'll all argue for hours - then decide there aren't any real grounds to do anything...
Knicks_Fan's Avatar Knicks_Fan 07:09 AM 12-14-2007
I'm waiting for NBC to completely shrink the 16:9 pic and run ads/guides/previews/animations all around the edges 24/7, in addition to the logo/existing ad. I wish the FCC would do something about it.
SPACEMAKER's Avatar SPACEMAKER 08:59 AM 12-14-2007
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Including complaining about people complaining...

I never complained. I was just making an observation.
Amnesia's Avatar Amnesia 09:52 AM 12-14-2007
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I wish the FCC would do something about it.

The FCC?!? Increased government regulation is not the answer...
richiephx's Avatar richiephx 10:33 AM 12-14-2007
I'm not a fan of government intervention but, in this situation, it might help because programmers are adding more and more garbage and don't listen or respond to viewer comments.
kkrueger's Avatar kkrueger 10:34 AM 12-14-2007
I complained to my NBC affiliate--maybe they can put some pressure on the network to stop the madness. I told my affiliate that I can watch their programming elsewhere (for example: Heroes on Netflix Watch Instantly or DVD) without the clutter. Why should I tolerate the distracting snipes when I can get the content elsewhere?

As it stands, I'm scaling back my DirecTV subscription in favor of better utilizing my Netflix subscription. It's a better experience. Rumor also has it that Netflix Watch Instantly might eventually be available on the Xbox 360.

Of course, with streaming content and network connected HD media players it'll be trivial to add snipes and ads to that content as well.

I fear eventually we won't be able to acquire any content without ads. In fact, I noticed that an extra on a recent HD DVD I watched was "sponsored by Volkswagen".

Ultimately, maybe that's a good thing. I'll start reading more books. Of course, with network connected eBook readers (such as Kindle) is it just a matter of time before we have ads in our books?
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