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Old 02-01-2007, 07:31 PM - Thread Starter
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http://www.theindychannel.com/sports...06/detail.html

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But the NFL objected to the church's plans to use a projector to show the game, saying the law limits it to one TV no bigger than 55 inches.

The church will likely abandon its plans to host a Super Bowl party.
"We want to be supportive of our local team," Newland said. "For us to have all our congregation huddled around a TV that is big enough only for 10 or 12 people to watch just makes little sense."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league's long-standing policy is to ban "mass out-of-home viewing" of the Super Bowl. An exception is made for sports bars and other businesses that show televised sports as a part of their everyday operations.
"We have contracts with our (TV) networks to provide free over-the-air television for people at home," Aiello said. "The network economics are based on television ratings and at-home viewing. Out-of-home viewing is not measured by Nielsen."

(Not a religious rant or anything, but) I dunno, sounds a little silly to me. I went to a church-sponsored bowl-party a few years ago, and there were 2 widescreen sets. And no cover fee. Had no idea that was breaking the law. But the Super Bowl is obviously gonna sweep viewership for 02/04/07, so why are they worried about Nielson ratings? And is that screen-size an NFL rule or local law? Can't say I've ever heard of it.

I wonder if they're gonna shut me down for using Super Bowl in this post....

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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Absolute garbage. Like the f'n NFL doesn't have enough money already. No wonder so many of the players are a bunch of whining, overpaid, uneducated people.

Aren't you gonna take your skates off?
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What a silly decision by the NFL.

Not exactly the best PR move, either.

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If it was being rebroadcast or there was an admission charge, I could see their reasoning ...

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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Stupid, just stupid.

Does the NFL not realize that the Super Bowl is pretty much the only sporting events that churches will close for. Using my brain, that's more eyes on the game. I'm sure there will be less viewers of the Super Bowl because of this stupid stunt the NFL is doing.

HEY, you viewing dumbasses!

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All of these laws are absurd...

Pretty soon the MPAA will want you to document how many people watch a movie in your house in one sitting...so they can bill you later...
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I have a 120" screen at home. Does that mean that I'm breaking the law on Sunday?
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This is the dumbest ****ing absurdest thing I have ever seen. Is this for real? No wait, it's 2007 and it's the NFL!
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I have a 120" screen at home. Does that mean that I'm breaking the law on Sunday?

Only if you have your hand on your bible and other hand on an alterboy and swear that you will only invite over 40 people or less.
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It has nothing to do with Neilsen ratings and everything to do with federal copyright law. If the NFL granted the church a royalty-free license for such an event, not only would it be setting precedent that every church could ask for such a freebie, but the NFL would also be breaking its contract with whatever network is broadcasting the SB this year.

Trust me, this isn't the only time this has happened. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, et al. send out hundreds or maybe thousands of cease-and-desist letters every year. There's nothing out of the ordinary about it.
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I wonder, even though I'm watching via OTA on CBS, do I still have to send D* a check?
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So much for my idea of hooking an HD tuner to an IMAX projector!
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I can't believe the NFL doesn't realize its effects on the church. It's rediculous. A vast majority of the players in the league are christian. I can't believe the NFL hasn't come up with some lame ass promotion for the church and the NFL.
Between the NFL playing regular season games in London and this, NFL you can go suck an egg.
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I have a 120" screen at home. Does that mean that I'm breaking the law on Sunday?

Read the article: "league's long-standing policy is to ban "mass out-of-home viewing" of the Super Bowl." If you are showing the Superbowl (tm) at home, even to a large party, you are ok. It is people showing the game at a public forum on a large screen at other than a established sports bar (which is likely paying extra fees to satellite or cable) that they object too. So if a member of the congregation with a large enough rec room were to invite everyone from the church, that would be ok.

But how they ever arrive with a 55" screen size cutoff?? Is that 55" diagonally for a 4:3 screen or a 16:9? So someone with a 56" HD TV at a public place - college dorm, whatever - is breaking the policy? When did they pick the 55" restriction? Back when a 55" TV meant a very heavy large CRT RPTV? Today 55" and bigger could be a much lighter microdisplay RPTV or flat panel. So if one uses a 56" LCD or 58" plasma flat panel for showing the Superbowl at a church gathering, you could be hearing from the NFL lawyers!
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So in a place like Victory Plaza in Dallas, they can't show games on the big screens? Or just the Superbowl. They mention the Superbowl. I think its absolutely absurd. If you read closely, they mention that its a violation because Nielsen can't rate it as if they really can at your household. They only know the number of people in your household, if your tv is on and what program. They don't know who is actually watching the tv.
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So in a place like Victory Plaza in Dallas, they can't show games on the big screens? Or just the Superbowl. They mention the Superbowl.

If the a particular provision of the Copyright Act applies to a particular broadcast, then yeah, it applies. Doesn't matter whether it's a religious organization or not, unless the statute exempts such organizations. I vaguely recall that religious entities are exempt from some mandatory licensing provisions, but obviously not for this.

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If you read closely, they mention that its a violation because Nielsen can't rate it as if they really can at your household.

First sentence of the article:

"The NFL has nixed a church's plans to use a wall projector to show the Colts-Bears Super Bowl game, saying it would violate copyright laws."

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They only know the number of people in your household, if your tv is on and what program. They don't know who is actually watching the tv.

From the article:

"We have contracts with our (TV) networks to provide free over-the-air television for people at home," Aiello said. "The network economics are based on television ratings and at-home viewing. Out-of-home viewing is not measured by Nielsen."

I understand your confusion because the reporter obviously has no idea what he's writing about. This quote by the NFL probably refers to the contractual language between the NFL and the networks. Maybe the NFL is paid more for more viewers. Who knows?

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I think its absolutely absurd.

You should lobby your Congressman/woman to change the copyright law.
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What a joke. They stopped the Bears from a Chicago superbowl public viewing too. What about bars then? Hell, let's shut down everything and force everyone inside, one tv per indivdual of course.

NFL always gets off scot free (which I think is a joke, like in those steroid meetings) while MLB is always getting ripped on, there were NO issues with this with the White Sox and the World Series two years ago as they did a viewing in the United Center
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Doe's this mean that Circuit City cannot have the game on any of their TV's larger than 55" since it is a pubic place?
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I A vast majority of the players in the league are christian.

now that's a stretch...
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I think Pat Robertson predicted something like this in his book "New World Order".
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What A-Holes

This is not about copyright but greed.

The NFL should cut this church a nice check to be used for some charity drive the church has.

Oh, I understand that Alcoholics Anonymous may be sponsoring Drug and Alcohol free opportunities to watch the game. Maybe the NFL and super bowl partner Budweiser could seize the moment and get a twofer.

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The arrogant NFL has managed two significant PR blunders this week:

First, they squash this church's harmless attempt to embrace the StupidBowl, when they could have simply looked the other way. (Whatever happened to fair use?) I guess I could produce a television show and say that it can only be viewed on TV's 19 inches and under.

And then the ugly publicity over the way the rich NFL owners and players have ignored the on-going needs of former players, some of whom are only earning $123.00 per month pensions. Shameful.

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I have a 120" screen at home. Does that mean that I'm breaking the law on Sunday?

No.

The article said the ratings people only count in home viewers so if lots of people gathered to view outside the home they wouldn't be counted by the ratings people. Its Voodoo NFL economics.
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If it was being rebroadcast or there was an admission charge, I could see their reasoning ...

They were planning on charging an admission fee, initially.
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now that's a stretch...

Actually its been stated by Athletes in Action that atleast 35-40% percent of the athletes in the NFL are evangelical Christians.
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I didn't think Neilsen could get OTA ratings.

HEY, you viewing dumbasses!

NOW!
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(insert name of show here)
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This TV size thing has been an issue every year, especially in Las Vegas. Some how the big casinos have found a way around it and have lavish parties with huge screens anyway. Just don't advertise it and make it private and you are good to go.

something like "you are cordially invited to watch the Outdoor Channel on my huge screen on Feb 4th @ 5:30" would do.
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Actually its been stated by Athletes in Action that atleast 35-40% percent of the athletes in the NFL are evangelical Christians.

And that percentage is even higher immediately after a team has scored a touchdown.
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And that percentage is even higher immediately after a team has scored a touchdown.

there are no atheists in the red zone.
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Actually its been stated by Athletes in Action that atleast 35-40% percent of the athletes in the NFL are evangelical Christians.

Wonder what the percentage is of those who are abusing steroids or HGH? Wonder if there's any crossover?
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