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post #361 of 414 Old 08-05-2013, 03:04 PM
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Thanks for the info on the termination standards. I would add that now all cable is created equal, so Cat 6 or Cat 5e depends on the cable manufacturer. I only use Belden, and would put their Cat 5e variants up against most other Cat 6 cables, especially for longer runs. They publish test results for their cable, so you can see what each particular model was rated at. That is my $.02.

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I imagine 99% of people that would make their own runs will use Monoprice 1000ft bulk CAT6 500MHz UTP cable --> http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10234&cs_id=1023401

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Here is another HDbaseT question. It seems like the extenders still use enough power to stay warm when source and destination devices are off. AKA, when Sender/Reciever have a link over CAT6. I imagine this is so that IR can always be transmitted. Is this normal though?

I am getting a wattage measurer to compare Watt usage when on versus off, but the units are warm to the touch after source/destination are off for the entire night. Is this normal for HDbaseT devices?

My 2 concerns are:

1) I have 4 extenders, 2 of them will rarely be used, i dont want them to just burn power (considering either putting them on a switch or just pulling power when not used).
2) If the unit gets warm even when not being used this has to effect its lifespan expectancy.

Any thoughts?

PS - once I get the meter Ill post my findings.
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Most HDMI extenders are always on. There are some that will power down and draw about half power when not in use. If you have some that are rarely used, the most cost effectively solution would be to put them on a switch.
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Most HDMI extenders are always on. There are some that will power down and draw about half power when not in use. If you have some that are rarely used, the most cost effectively solution would be to put them on a switch, or just unplug them.
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Just quick question, I was wondering for those using the Hdbaset Extenders from monoprice.

How are you mounting the extenders behind the flat panel tv's. I was going to get a recessed outlet but the plug for the monoprice unit wont allow it to be recessed.

Just trying to here some ideas.

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Just quick question, I was wondering for those using the Hdbaset Extenders from monoprice.

How are you mounting the extenders behind the flat panel tv's. I was going to get a recessed outlet but the plug for the monoprice unit wont allow it to be recessed.

Just trying to here some ideas.

Thanks.

I don't have the extenders, but I have a flat panel in the master bedroom mounted on the wall. Behind that wall is the closet, so I cut some access holes in the drywall on both sides and ran all the cabling into the closet. I installed my Moxi Mate (a whole-home DVR client) in the closet, along with the media receiver for the TV. The media receiver on the early Pioneer Elite plasma has come in handy for this setup.

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I picked up the a Portta PET30D 30m 98-Feet over dual Cat5E/6.

The unit provides video and audio at 480p/720p/1080i/1080p@60 and @24. However, regardless of the resolution the colors appear to be incorrect (red is green and green is red, however blue, black and white appear correct) and the audio crackles during play back.

I am using my dual in-wall Cat5E, estimated 50 ft, terminated at wall plates. I've tried multiple cables connecting on the source and destination ends. I either get nothing (no source) or these odd color/source problems depending on the cables I've used (It looks like I'll need to pick up a cable tester).

I'm in the early stages of debugging, as I don't have a lot of spare equipment without completely taking apart my current home setup. I saw some comments about adding one of the Cable 2 Go Voltage Inserters solving a couple of users problems. Does this issue sound like something that could be fixed by this? Or does anyone else have any suggestions of what to fix?
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Also, it is important to note the pains I took to enhance my chances of success when trying to share HDMI sources to several destinations. There are no displays connected directly, and all destinations are late model Denon lossless-capable receivers with 1080p/24/30/60 displays connected. On the EDID lowest-common denominator playing field, I should be all good, and besides, it all sync'd up eventually with much fiddly work with power-cycling matrix components.

This is so key.

I bought the same model HD44 from HdtvSupply not long before you did, and it was after discussing my system with Jim and getting his recommendation. I haven't actually tried to extend my HDMI to my other TVs around the house yet because they don't support the same resolution. I played with one of my other TVs hooked up directly to the matrix, and it simply confused things. So for now, I just have a 1080p60 TV hooked up through my AVR, and another 1080p60 TV with built-in decoding hooked up directly and this is working well so far, albeit I haven't tried anything too difficult such as trying to play back Dolby TrueHD through both at the same time. I suspect my TV connected directly won't be able to decode that.

But the EDID settings let me choose what I want the "lowest common denominator" to be, and that's why switching is so much faster and smoother than than switches which detect on the fly.

I'm also not surprised the HDMI extender worked for you, given they actually test and pair the extenders with the switch. You fully expect a company rep to poo-poo going with a product purchased elsewhere, but this thread is evidence that not everything plays well together. He has no issues with HDBaseT extenders - but pretty much everything else. I imagine the way the HD44 handles the EDID codes also helps with the extender as well, because the EDID from the displays never gets back to the sources.

The HD44 claims to support 3D, and it sort of does. One of my TVs supports 3D and the other doesn't. The HD44 (unlike some switches) doesn't have 3D EDID selections. My PS3, though, is the only thing that gave me trouble because it needs to detect 3D before it will support 3D, and it wouldn't detect it as long as the HD44 was inline. But after I connected the PS3 directly to the 3D TV and re-setup my display settings, it detected and configured for 3D and it worked fine once I hooked the switch back up.

The HD44 does appear to be made by Shinybow, but it's a custom model that combines features from different products to supply EDID capabilities at a lower price point than their $600 4x4. You won't find the HD44 on the Shinybow web site, but there is at least one other company that was selling it at the time I bought mine. The documentation is a bit muddled when it comes to IR HEX codes, but the HD44 supports the ability to send a single code that selects both a source and a destination.There's a Yamaha NEC to Pronto HEX converter that came in handy for me.

btw, the first HD44 I received couldn't output video, and I was afraid given all the warnings about powering off before connecting anything that the switch was too easy to fry, but the replacement has been fine.

Code:
            NEC CODE (32-BIT)       PRONTO/URC HEX CODE
            -----------------       -------------------
POWER ON  : 1CE3 A15E               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
POWER OFF : 1CE3 A25D               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

ALL       : 1CE3 B04F               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
OFF       : 1CE3 B14E               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
EDID      : 1CE3 B748               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
LOCK      : 1CE3 B54A               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
RECALL    : 1CE3 B24D               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
MEMORY    : 1CE3 B44B               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
ENTER     : 1CE3 B34C               0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

DESTINATION #1 : 1CE3 10EF          0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
DESTINATION #2 : 1CE3 20DF          0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
DESTINATION #3 : 1CE3 30CF          0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
DESTINATION #4 : 1CE3 40BF          0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

SOURCE #1 :  1CE3 01FE              0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #2 :  1CE3 02FD              0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #3 :  1CE3 03FC              0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #4 :  1CE3 04FB              0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

EDID BUTTON           : 1CE3 B748   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 1 : Auto         : 1CE3 E01F   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 2 : 1080p-2ch    : 1CE3 E11E   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 3 : 1080p-5.1    : 1CE3 E21D   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 4 : 1080p-7.1    : 1CE3 E31C   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 5 : 1080i-2ch    : 1CE3 E41B   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 6 : 720p-2ch     : 1CE3 E51A   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 7 : Learn        : 1CE3 E619   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
Mode 8 : Reserve      : 1CE3 E718   0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

THESE BUTTONS WORK ON HD44
AND PERMIT DIRECT ACCESS
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DESTINATION #1
SOURCE #1: 1CE3 11EE                0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #2: 1CE3 12ED                0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #3: 1CE3 13EC                0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
SOURCE #4: 1CE3 14EB                0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

DESTINATION #2
SOURCE #1: 1CE3 21DE                0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47
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I have Playstation 3 outputting to a Panasonic 50" plasma TC-P50S2. They're worked fine for years at 1080p over a single HDMI cable.
I've acquired a KeyDigital Cat6 balun KD-CATHD100 (http://www.keydigital.com/Downloads/KD-CATHD100/KD-CATHD100_Manual.pdf) so I can put the PS3 in the media closet.

The issue is with the balun, it seems to reject the PS3 input signal. It has a 'link' light that turns on when it is receiving an input, but this light is dark when connected to the PS3 and it does not output to the TV naturally.

I've fiddled with all the PS3 settings, specifically Deep color, resolution, but I cannot get any picture or have the balun receive the signal. What am I missing?
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I have Playstation 3 outputting to a Panasonic 50" plasma TC-P50S2. They're worked fine for years at 1080p over a single HDMI cable.
I've acquired a KeyDigital Cat6 balun KD-CATHD100 (http://www.keydigital.com/Downloads/KD-CATHD100/KD-CATHD100_Manual.pdf) so I can put the PS3 in the media closet.

The issue is with the balun, it seems to reject the PS3 input signal. It has a 'link' light that turns on when it is receiving an input, but this light is dark when connected to the PS3 and it does not output to the TV naturally.

I've fiddled with all the PS3 settings, specifically Deep color, resolution, but I cannot get any picture or have the balun receive the signal. What am I missing?

 

A few thoughts..

 

Try to go down a resolution notch or two..  try 1080i, try 720p, heck even try 480p.  The first thing you need to do is to ensure that the box even works..  If no link light is on, no matter what, you may have a dud. (Probably not common, but certainly not unheard of in today's mass market industry.)

 

Try a short pre-made patch cable.  DIY terminations can and have been causes of some people's problems in the past.  If you have a 6' premade Cat5e or Cat6 patch cable, try it first.  Caveat to that statement is that some extenders are expecting to run over a longer distance and sometimes "overdrive" the cable on the signal, meaning that if you use a short patch cable, it may overdrive the receiver and not work, where a longer cable would.  After all, if you have a short run between adapters, why use the adapters in the first place? :)  Along those lines, if you have access to multiple pre-made patch cables, and you have a really long one (50' or more), try it too.  Even if you only need 15', if a 50' cable works, find a place to coil up the remaining 35' and just leave it.  :)

 

Do also try turning off your "bandwidth increasers--" deep color, 3D, etc.  If the link is unstable because you're pushing too much water through the proverbial pipe, then reducing the flow can help.

 

Also, try other sources. You're indicating your PS3 is having problems.  What about a bluray player? DVR? DVD player with HDMI out? What about an AVR, if you have one?  Some devices like DVR's are known to have problems with baluns (rather than true extenders).

 

I hope that you're able to get it resolved.  Among all the HDMI extension solutions, the two-wires "baluns" are probably the most unpredictable. Work perfectly for some, not at all for others, and sometimes-glitchy for still others.  Single-CatX adapters work better, and HDbaseT adapters work better still.

 

Good luck, and keep us posted.

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A few thoughts..

Try to go down a resolution notch or two..  try 1080i, try 720p, heck even try 480p.  The first thing you need to do is to ensure that the box even works..  If no link light is on, no matter what, you may have a dud. (Probably not common, but certainly not unheard of in today's mass market industry.)

Try a short pre-made patch cable.  DIY terminations can and have been causes of some people's problems in the past.  If you have a 6' premade Cat5e or Cat6 patch cable, try it first.  Caveat to that statement is that some extenders are expecting to run over a longer distance and sometimes "overdrive" the cable on the signal, meaning that if you use a short patch cable, it may overdrive the receiver and not work, where a longer cable would.  After all, if you have a short run between adapters, why use the adapters in the first place? smile.gif  Along those lines, if you have access to multiple pre-made patch cables, and you have a really long one (50' or more), try it too.  Even if you only need 15', if a 50' cable works, find a place to coil up the remaining 35' and just leave it.  smile.gif

Do also try turning off your "bandwidth increasers--" deep color, 3D, etc.  If the link is unstable because you're pushing too much water through the proverbial pipe, then reducing the flow can help.

Also, try other sources. You're indicating your PS3 is having problems.  What about a bluray player? DVR? DVD player with HDMI out? What about an AVR, if you have one?  Some devices like DVR's are known to have problems with baluns (rather than true extenders).

I hope that you're able to get it resolved.  Among all the HDMI extension solutions, the two-wires "baluns" are probably the most unpredictable. Work perfectly for some, not at all for others, and sometimes-glitchy for still others.  Single-CatX adapters work better, and HDbaseT adapters work better still.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Dane thanks for your helped, I managed to get it working. The problem was indeed the Deep Color. I had this disabled originally but then didn't hook up TWO Cat6 cables between the baluns. The video had some speckling artifact at 1080p but 1080i is working well.
However I'm not getting any sound through the HDMI cable. The PS3 simply says the HDMI cable cannot carry sound. Any work arounds for this?
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Among all the HDMI extension solutions, the two-wires "baluns" are probably the most unpredictable. Work perfectly for some, not at all for others, and sometimes-glitchy for still others.  Single-CatX adapters work better, and HDbaseT adapters work better still.
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Hmmm...I wonder if there is a direct relationship to the amount of engineering required to the sucess rate. In other words, more engineering required (HDBaseT) = a higher sucess rate.

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Dane thanks for your helped, I managed to get it working. The problem was indeed the Deep Color. I had this disabled originally but then didn't hook up TWO Cat6 cables between the baluns. The video had some speckling artifact at 1080p but 1080i is working well.
However I'm not getting any sound through the HDMI cable. The PS3 simply says the HDMI cable cannot carry sound. Any work arounds for this?

 

Glad you got it working-- great job!  1080p sparkles are common; it means you're close to the edge of the digital cliff.  Going 1080i backs off the bandwidth by half, so that's why it makes such a dramatic difference.  I'm not sure about your sound problem.  You can try to keep going down the list of tips and tricks and see if the sound ever comes back (does sound work at 480p, for instance) ..  Ironically, I am so far from a professional in this area..  I just felt it was time a dedicated thread was created to start capturing people's experience and draw others' wisdom (and it has!).. I've learned tons!  :)

 

Have you tried forcing the PS3 to 2-channel stereo PCM?

 

Hopefully some others will chime in here about your sound situation..

 

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Hmmm...I wonder if there is a direct relationship to the amount of engineering required to the sucess rate. In other words, more engineering required (HDBaseT) = a higher sucess rate.

Mark

 

<nod>   I think you're on to something there, Mark.  :)  Typically the more care that goes in equates with a better result..  There are plenty of caveat's to that rule in life, I'm sure.  But it's a good generalization..  That said---- some folks here have clearly had stellar results with dual-CatX cable adapters.  In their situation, it helped them save TONS of money!  Others haven't had such good luck and become jaded in the process.  That's the risk you run though, I guess.. ?

 

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   I think you're on to something there, Mark.  smile.gif  Typically the more care that goes in equates with a better result..  There are plenty of caveat's to that rule in life, I'm sure.  But it's a good generalization..  That said---- some folks here have clearly had stellar results with dual-CatX cable adapters.  In their situation, it helped them save TONS of money!  Others haven't had such good luck and become jaded in the process.  That's the risk you run though, I guess.. ?

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It is a risk, but as you pointed out, this thread is very useful, and can help to minimize the risk. By the way, thanks for the great job keeping up the first post. Maybe you should modify the title to say "...read 1st post before posting".

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Hmmm...I wonder if there is a direct relationship to the amount of engineering required to the sucess rate. In other words, more engineering required (HDBaseT) = a higher sucess rate.

Mark

Engineering means meeting the specifications of equipment that doesn't meet specifications. smile.gif

Technically, the low-tech approach is often a great solution. For instance, Component Video is far easier to distribute than HDMI. There's no HDCP and there's no EDID, so the only challenge is to get a video signal from here to there; but throwing a low-tech solution at a high-tech problem is just asking for trouble.
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Engineering means meeting the specifications of equipment that doesn't meet specifications. smile.gif

Technically, the low-tech approach is often a great solution. For instance, Component Video is far easier to distribute than HDMI. There's no HDCP and there's no EDID, so the only challenge is to get a video signal from here to there; but throwing a low-tech solution at a high-tech problem is just asking for trouble.

+1 and engineering also involves finding the best solution to a problem and that is not always the most high tech or expensive solution.

For example distributing satellite or CATV in a sports bar is best done by component video IMO. Here the slight image quality difference is not relevant but reliability and cost are. Now in an AV showroom,we have the opposite.

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There's also the fact that component video is not worse looking than HDMI and depending on the DACs in use, can actually look better. In my experience, about 90% of the time, component and HDMI look identical for HD delivery. The exception is 1080p content which generally isn't available across component video.

There are also modulated solutions which can be done for dozens of displays with multiple sources that can hit a solid price point while using legacy wiring and deliver top notch HDTV.

I'm personally a fan of component video as it is inexpensive and component video matrix switchers are readily available on the eBay for under $100. Add a few hundred feet of cabling for a couple hundred bucks and call it a system. The real headaches are Blu-ray which has gone almost entirely HDMI, but otherwise, you can get away with component video across cable TV, DVD, and a solid list of media players which can often handle Blu-ray ripped content.

Certainly HDMI is excellent, but the price point for the type of reliability which is already in place with component video is still sitting well beyond a ten fold cost increase for a 8x8 matrixed system.

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Hello from sunny Greece.

I want to walk the HDBaseT path, but we don't have much products here in Greece. I have found in ebay the Belkin HDBaseT extenders with a fair price (300 USD) and I would like to ask if anyone has experience with these and if their power supplies are compatible with 220V/50Hz euro plugs we have here.

Thank you all for this great thread.
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Just a couple of comments. Used Component Video Extenders to my Dish Hopper DVR for my TV on the patio and they work like a champ.

Sparkles on a PS3. No matter how many HDMI Cables I used for my PS3, I found only 1 that will work . ( No Sparkles) I know there is supposed to be no difference in HDMI cables, but I never got an answer from any one why only this 1 cable works.

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Just a couple of comments. Used Component Video Extenders to my Dish Hopper DVR for my TV on the patio and they work like a champ.

Sparkles on a PS3. No matter how many HDMI Cables I used for my PS3, I found only 1 that will work . ( No Sparkles) I know there is supposed to be no difference in HDMI cables, but I never got an answer from any one why only this 1 cable works.

There are differences when you get over 10 feet. But a good 50 foot HDMI cable still costs no more than $100. Over 50 feet is a gray area. 100 feet is likely to be very picky when it comes to cables.

It's also quite possible some cheap 75 foot HDMI cable works while an expensive name brand 75 foot cable doesn't. It depends on the the HDMI receiver reacts with the distortions in the data stream. At 75 feet, you are over the spec and all bets are off.

The stuff you see from Monster and Audioquest promising improved audio and video quality is simply consumer fraud. Yes cables do make a difference on long HDMI runs but the failure mode is sparkles and dropouts like you experienced. No HDMI cable can make brighter colors or deeper blacks over another and that's where the "all HDMI cables are the same" comes from. And it's largely true under 10 feet in length.

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Hello from sunny Greece.

I want to walk the HDBaseT path, but we don't have much products here in Greece. I have found in ebay the Belkin HDBaseT extenders with a fair price (300 USD) and I would like to ask if anyone has experience with these and if their power supplies are compatible with 220V/50Hz euro plugs we have here.

Thank you all for this great thread.

Most plug-in power supplies these days are switch mode type and will work anywhere in the world. But there are still some 60hz transfomer based units around that won't. Call or EMAIL Belkin to be sure. If they are strictly 120v you can use a small travel transformer as these extenders don't take much power at all. A 20va unit should be more than enough capacity. If you do need to use an adapter because the power supply is 120v only, be sure the adapter is a true transformer. Some are just a diode that clips half the waveform and approximates 120v. These are for heating devices and no good for electronics. The 50/60hz power difference won't matter for HDBaseT or any modern electronic devices.

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Glimmie, the cable that works is 6'. I have to stretch it because of the length. All others were 10'. The only difference may be is the 6' cable is shielded. The 6' cable has a clear jacket on it is how I know it's shielded. No name brand. I even tried other 6 footers to no avail. Why only this 1 works is blowing my mind.

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Glimmie, the cable that works is 6'. I have to stretch it because of the length. All others were 10'. The only difference may be is the 6' cable is shielded. The 6' cable has a clear jacket on it is how I know it's shielded. No name brand. I even tried other 6 footers to no avail. Why only this 1 works is blowing my mind.

Well unfortunately these types of problems are all too common with HDMI, especially the early stuff. All HDMI cables are supposed to be shielded not only by HDMI specifications but also FCC and European CE RFI standards. That said there are countless cables from China that do not meet either specification.

Yes HDMI cables can make a difference. But don't get caught up in the Audioquest and Monster hype. Good HDMI cables can be found at fair and reasonable prices.

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Hello Chrushev

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Packetize – my bad will ensure I go with ‘modulate’ in future and def. not IP compatible.

Power consumption/Heat dissipation – funnily enough I’ve just been updating some of our HD4xSTP Chassis and HD70STP Extender kits along with our HDBaseT-lite Tx and Rx cards with a New auto standby firmware – the Rx now recognise when the attached Display goes into Standby and puts the Rx and Tx for that Zone into Standby.

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I'm currently using the monoprice extender 8122. Everything works perfectly except when I adjust a ceiling fan speed, the plasma tv will experience a brief dropout. I'm ok with this since it only happens briefly. My question is will the dropouts have a negative impact on my tv?
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I doubt that will do any harm to your TV. When you are changing the speed of your fan, it's putting a glitch on your AC Power Line that your Extender doesn't like. Just deal with it.

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My experience:
I have been using extender over CAT5 for several years with mix to great results. My take is there is a lot of variability with the quality of this things. And rightly so, some sending/receiving equipment combos may change the result.

Did work:
Very cheap, ebay extender from China for $15 connected to output of]MonoPrice 4x2 matrix switch running about 30-40 ft from basement to second room to a G10 Panasonic Plasma. The extender is self powered. 1080i or 1080p same problem. Cat 6 self terminated. I had a lot sync problems at the beginning where a power cycle had to be done in an specific sequence. But this problem happened very little.

Did not work:
Changed the 4x2 Monoprice matrix to the 4x4 Monoprice. I tried 3 of this 4x4 switches blaming them for the problem. The TV would loose signal every time a power/light switch would come on, not off. Drove me crazy. Tried with several circuits in the 2nd floor using extensions to try to isolate problem but it always happened.
How I fixed it: Upgraded the extender from the $15 no brand, no power, to Monoprice's ~$40 powered extender, also using 2 cat6. No more problems. Had the same problem when sending signal to an older 720p Pany Plasma and shorter cat6 run.

The equipment:
All centralized in the basement of a 2 story colonial.
PS3
Oppo
Motorola STB
Monoprice 5x1 switch
All the above connected as sources to a Monoprice 4x4 using short HDMI cables

Apple TV
Wii (using component to HDMI converter from Monoprice)
Yamaha Receiver Video output (also using component to HDMI)
ChromeCast (waiting)
The above connected as sources to the Monoprice 5x1 (ran our of ports into the monoprice 4x4).

Monoprice 4x4 Outputs:
25 ft Monoprice HDMI cable to Epson projector for 92"
20 - 30 ft Monoprice 2-cat extender using cat6 self terminated to 50" 720p 2003 Pany Plasma
30 - 40 ft Monoprice 2-cat extender using cat6 self terminated to 1080i Pany G10 Plasma

Everything works great if only for delays switching sources but tolerable. I do not switch sources too often once I sit down. Only PITA is when STB from Motorola switches from HD to SD and also looses sync and takes 2-3 seconds to resync. But i believe this to be a STB issue, not anything in between.

I have not found noticeable degradation in picture quality using the baluns, specially on a 42 or 50" Plasma. I have not experienced signal degradation using the Monoprice HDMI 4x4 matrix and my 92" screen.

I love these things when you get the right product. And they are dirt cheap from Mono. Single Cat solutions will probably work better but still cost double. Prices coming down quickly and I am waiting for a Monoprice solution in ~40 range to upgrade and free one cat6 though I have many. Can't beat Monoprice quality/price value, service and return policy.

Jorge
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My experience:
I have been using extender over CAT5 for several years with mix to great results. My take is there is a lot of variability with the quality of this things. And rightly so, some sending/receiving equipment combos may change the result.

Did work:
Very cheap, ebay extender from China for $15 connected to output of]MonoPrice 4x2 matrix switch running about 30-40 ft from basement to second room to a G10 Panasonic Plasma. The extender is self powered. 1080i or 1080p same problem. Cat 6 self terminated. I had a lot sync problems at the beginning where a power cycle had to be done in an specific sequence. But this problem happened very little.

Did not work:
Changed the 4x2 Monoprice matrix to the 4x4 Monoprice. I tried 3 of this 4x4 switches blaming them for the problem. The TV would loose signal every time a power/light switch would come on, not off. Drove me crazy. Tried with several circuits in the 2nd floor using extensions to try to isolate problem but it always happened.
How I fixed it: Upgraded the extender from the $15 no brand, no power, to Monoprice's ~$40 powered extender, also using 2 cat6. No more problems. Had the same problem when sending signal to an older 720p Pany Plasma and shorter cat6 run.

The equipment:
All centralized in the basement of a 2 story colonial.
PS3
Oppo
Motorola STB
Monoprice 5x1 switch
All the above connected as sources to a Monoprice 4x4 using short HDMI cables

Apple TV
Wii (using component to HDMI converter from Monoprice)
Yamaha Receiver Video output (also using component to HDMI)
ChromeCast (waiting)
The above connected as sources to the Monoprice 5x1 (ran our of ports into the monoprice 4x4).

Monoprice 4x4 Outputs:
25 ft Monoprice HDMI cable to Epson projector for 92"
20 - 30 ft Monoprice 2-cat extender using cat6 self terminated to 50" 720p 2003 Pany Plasma
30 - 40 ft Monoprice 2-cat extender using cat6 self terminated to 1080i Pany G10 Plasma

Everything works great if only for delays switching sources but tolerable. I do not switch sources too often once I sit down. Only PITA is when STB from Motorola switches from HD to SD and also looses sync and takes 2-3 seconds to resync. But i believe this to be a STB issue, not anything in between.

I have not found noticeable degradation in picture quality using the baluns, specially on a 42 or 50" Plasma. I have not experienced signal degradation using the Monoprice HDMI 4x4 matrix and my 92" screen.

I love these things when you get the right product. And they are dirt cheap from Mono. Single Cat solutions will probably work better but still cost double. Prices coming down quickly and I am waiting for a Monoprice solution in ~40 range to upgrade and free one cat6 though I have many. Can't beat Monoprice quality/price value, service and return policy.

Jorge

Would you mind providing the PID numbers of the devices you purchased from Monoprice?

Thanks.

Mark
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Hi just wondering if anyone can help hdmi over cat5 have picture no audio. Then got audio for a brief period turned of Xbox now nothing again. Tried few different sources. Monoprice mkw0004 is the extender 2 runs of car5
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Hi guys, I have a HDMI extender device using Cat5/6 to extend the HDMI singal, contains a Transmitter with HDMI input and RJ45 output, and vice-versa in Receiver (detail in this link http://pcmax.vn/bo-chia-cong-hdmi/bo-keo-dai-tin-hieu-hdmi-dai-60m-chinh-hang-mt-viki.html ) So I wonder that what is the mechanism of convert the audio signal to transform the signal in the CAT cable? how dose HDMI extender work? Tks everybody.

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