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Anyone have any information on HDBaseT matrices (4x4 or 4x8) that are "affordable" yet? And by affordable I mean not 7000$+.

I'm trying to avoid having STBs at every TV location in my house (6 currently, possibly more later) for FIOS TV. I've looked into ideas such as Ceton Echo/WMC but they just aren't there quite yet IMO.

I've done some searching to try to find a more recent HDBaseT unit thread, but had no luck.

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Atlona and Shinybow have them at lower prices, with the Shinybow at $1k street (doesn't include the receivers). So they're "getting there". Both are "HDBaseT lite", which drops Ethernet repeating.

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/4x4-hdmi-matrix-switch-hdbaset-lite.html#axzz2Iou5XUTR

(Don't know anything else about the product, but it was mentioned in another thread here recently).

Monoprice said at CEDIA they were "working on one" (meaning a 4x4 HBaseT matrix).

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Atlona and Shinybow have them at lower prices, with the Shinybow at $1k street (doesn't include the receivers). So they're "getting there". Both are "HDBaseT lite", which drops Ethernet repeating.

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/4x4-hdmi-matrix-switch-hdbaset-lite.html#axzz2Iou5XUTR

(Don't know anything else about the product, but it was mentioned in another thread here recently).

Monoprice said at CEDIA they were "working on one" (meaning a 4x4 HBaseT matrix).

Interesting... I'd be more interested in a true 4x8 or 8x8 (8 HDBaseT outputs, since I already have 6 TVs). The 4 additional HDMI outputs on the one above don't really buy me much since I have 2xCat6 going to each TV location.

I seem to remember someone saying something about a 4x8 HDBaseT matrix that was around 2.5k in a thread but I can't recall the brand. Do you have any idea which one they might have been referring to?

I don't really care too much about full HDBaseT (lite is fine).

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I’ll need to ‘tease’ you for a few more days smile.gif – a couple of things to finalise once the factory in Taipei is open after Chinese New Year.

We have a New 4x8 ‘Cardframe’ were just about to launch and the price for the chassis populated as a 4x8 HDBaseT-lite is nowhere near to USD 7K

Will need to link you to a teaser on our UK site for now - https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151359521465816&set=a.10150166544850816.323278.342819045815&type=1

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I’ll need to ‘tease’ you for a few more days smile.gif – a couple of things to finalise once the factory in Taipei is open after Chinese New Year.

We have a New 4x8 ‘Cardframe’ were just about to launch and the price for the chassis populated as a 4x8 HDBaseT-lite is nowhere near to USD 7K

Will need to link you to a teaser on our UK site for now - https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151359521465816&set=a.10150166544850816.323278.342819045815&type=1

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That is a tease! biggrin.gif

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I’ll need to ‘tease’ you for a few more days smile.gif – a couple of things to finalise once the factory in Taipei is open after Chinese New Year.

We have a New 4x8 ‘Cardframe’ were just about to launch and the price for the chassis populated as a 4x8 HDBaseT-lite is nowhere near to USD 7K

Will need to link you to a teaser on our UK site for now - https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151359521465816&set=a.10150166544850816.323278.342819045815&type=1

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Interesting! If the price is right you can sign me up as a customer. :-)

I won't be buying for a couple more months, so sounds like the timing might work out great.

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I'll update here once we have things finalised - the team in Atlanta will have production samples in the next couple of weeks so things ought to move fast after that!.

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I wonder when the 8x8 and 16x16 matrices will become reasonably priced to get somewhat wider appeal? HDMI switching has a lot of potential, but is completely cost ineffective right now. At that point, even though I rather dislike my new MCE setup, I'd say go through route, as it's really the only thing that's remotely cost-effective right now. With the cost of a lot of the HDMI matrices out there, you could get a whole house full of TiVo Premieres at an average of $700-$800 each for less than the cost of a matrix. Or just wait for the TiVo Mini, it's right around the corner. Two TiVo Premiere XL4s and four Minis would do the trick for about $2k with one extra CableCard fee, and a total of 8 tuners.
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I wonder when the 8x8 and 16x16 matrices will become reasonably priced to get somewhat wider appeal? HDMI switching has a lot of potential, but is completely cost ineffective right now. At that point, even though I rather dislike my new MCE setup, I'd say go through route, as it's really the only thing that's remotely cost-effective right now. With the cost of a lot of the HDMI matrices out there, you could get a whole house full of TiVo Premieres at an average of $700-$800 each for less than the cost of a matrix. Or just wait for the TiVo Mini, it's right around the corner. Two TiVo Premiere XL4s and four Minis would do the trick for about $2k with one extra CableCard fee, and a total of 8 tuners.

The new Verizon FIOS Media Server piques my interest too. Supposed to come out last year but apparently is now pushed back until this year. EIther way supports up to 5 remote TVs (MOCA) and 6 tuners, or use two of the media servers and up to 10 remote tvs and 2 local.

Depends on how much it costs, I suppose. If they are completely batty and try to charge 20$ per remote TV then that is a ridiculous price.

Either way will definitely keep my eye on it as well.

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The new Verizon FIOS Media Server piques my interest too. Supposed to come out last year but apparently is now pushed back until this year. EIther way supports up to 5 remote TVs (MOCA) and 6 tuners, or use two of the media servers and up to 10 remote tvs and 2 local.

Depends on how much it costs, I suppose. If they are completely batty and try to charge 20$ per remote TV then that is a ridiculous price.

Either way will definitely keep my eye on it as well.

It will probably be $10/mo/tv. If it really is finally a good MSO-provided DVR, then it might work well for people, although I seem to think they will screw it up somehow. I don't think HDMI matrix switching will ever get beyond a really small niche, but that niche would probably be 10x or 20x the size it is now if the switchers were actually affordable for a decent sized switcher. I think there is a good use case for centralized A/V gear and HDMI distribution, it's just out of the reach of even the mid- to high-end home theater and tech enthusiasts, and only accessible to the deep-pocketed.

On FIOS, for instance, you could have some streaming and physical media devices in addition to TiVo, MCE, and a FIOS box for the most options possible.
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ClemsonJeeper – we finally have our 4x8 Cardframe released!

http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI_Matrix_HDbaseT_HD4xSTPMX_over%20CAT6.html

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Worth throwing out there...

Gefen's HDMI 8x8 Matrix with standard HDMI outputs is under $2,000 online and Monoprice's HD-Base-T extenders are under $200 each. So for under $3,600 you can get distribution to 8 rooms over cat-x cabling. Add or remove HD-Base-T extenders as necessary moving forward!

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ClemsonJeeper – we finally have our 4x8 Cardframe released!

http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI_Matrix_HDbaseT_HD4xSTPMX_over%20CAT6.html

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but at 4500 us for 4x8, not really in the affordable range for many of us.
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