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post #1 of 5 Old 03-24-2013, 02:26 PM - Thread Starter
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Following up on my previous thread, I just wanted to share what it is going to cost me for the following pre-wire and conduit plan as provided to me by my builder. I used all the advice that I got here, so I thought it would be best to share with everyone!

7.2 Channel setup with 4 conductor cable at each surround channel (14G) in the media room
11 network audio zones in the house (Cat5e + 4 conductor speaker cable) and 2 speaker positions in each zone. One zone has 4 speaker positions. Total 24 speakers
8 security camera locations
7 conduits (ONLY conduits, no wires) to main locations in the house (bedrooms, study, family room, game room etc.). All conduits run to a central location, but can also run wires from one room to another if needed
1 conduit for the projector in the media room
Full security system (doors, windows etc.)

All of this came out to: $3,053

Here are my questions:

1. Is this a good price?
2. I was initially planning on doing a 6 zone system with 5 subzones to save on money. However, because the wiring cost was coming out to be the same, I decided to home run the remaining 5 zones as well. I will need a different amplifier setup because of this, which is where I need some advice.
OPTION 1: Get the HTD system with 12 zones and just power each zone that way
OPTION 2: Use my future AV Controller Zone 2 line output, and connect to another stereo amp. From there, distribute to each zone using a speaker selector box. I am using polk audio inwall speakers which have a max of 100W at 8ohms. I got a great deal on them.

I am not too concerned about individual sources for each zone, but I do want to have good sound output at each location... sometimes more than just background music...
Thanks!
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7.2 Channel setup with 4 conductor cable at each surround channel (14G) in the media room

You don't need 4-conductor cable to each speaker, but doesn't hurt...
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1. Is this a good price?

Certainly doesn't seem out of line, assuming materials + labor. And without knowing your location or the details of the security system included (don't need to post security system details here), that's about the best we can say...
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2. I was initially planning on doing a 6 zone system with 5 subzones to save on money. However, because the wiring cost was coming out to be the same, I decided to home run the remaining 5 zones as well.

Regardless of the sub-zoning or not, you should ALWAYS home run everything so that the system can be built consistently. If you had wired five zones to another location, you'd forever be stuck with a two-system setup...
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I will need a different amplifier setup because of this, which is where I need some advice.
OPTION 1: Get the HTD system with 12 zones and just power each zone that way
OPTION 2: Use my future AV Controller Zone 2 line output, and connect to another stereo amp. From there, distribute to each zone using a speaker selector box. I am using polk audio inwall speakers which have a max of 100W at 8ohms. I got a great deal on them.

I am not too concerned about individual sources for each zone, but I do want to have good sound output at each location... sometimes more than just background music...
Thanks!

Is budget the concern? That's the only reason to do #2 instead of option #1. Think about how you'll use the system, and how you'll control it.

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Thanks for the quick reply (as always!!)

1. I'm doing 4 conductor cable only so I can biamp the speakers... Plan on doing that in the future.
2. Price includes labor and material (but not wires that I would run in the conduits). I'm located in Houston, TX as well. Security system is the standard that you would get for an ADT setup... No cameras included but pre-wired
3. Agree with the zoning... Makes more sense now..
4. Budget is going to be a concern, considering all that I have bought and plan on buying in the future. The main purpose of the whole home audio would be to enjoy centralized music, but not individualized music... so I want good output at all speakers that are on... but not necessarily different music... Plan on using airplay for audio...
Thoughts?
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i am in california. Your price is amazing. In california I am getting bids as low as 7k for prewire to as high as 18k depending on network options
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I agree on pricing being excellent - if they do a good job. Many do not.

I generally expect wiring to be $80-$120 per wire for labor. About an hour a wire at professional labor rates in a typical home.

So, you have about 49 runs being pulled (conduit, cat-x, speakers)... I would expect a price between $4,000 to $6,000 typically on this. Maybe a bit more with the conduit costing a lot more than typical wiring does and being far more challenging to pull cleanly.

Take that price and run with it. Make sure you have wires EVERYWHERE you need/want them!

When the wires are run, be 100% sure that every single wire is properly and clearly labeled and take lots of photos if any wires are buried behind the walls.

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