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Installing sound and Video for a 44' x 33' conference room

235' diagonal electric screen

drop in Array speakers

wireless conf mics, and lapel mics

polycom video qdx6000 video confrence units one fr an upstairs conf room

home theater type surround setup for the room to also be tied into over head array speakers

ceiling tile speakers for lobby and gift shop.

This is my first time bidding for a job like this. I would like equipment suggestions, and suggestions on how to estimate labor for a job like this. any insights would be appreciated.

Project budget is $20,000.

thank you.
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Project budget is $20,000.

You missed a zero...

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Ask your distributor for design help.

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thanks http://www.proacousticsusa.com/ is working on soming for me
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what kinda labor cost are we lookin at?
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You missed a zero...

lol.

and true.
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really, ive been looking and i think this can be done within budget, maybe not "state of the art" but functional none the less
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Forget about surround sound and do mono output to all the speakers. Nothing integrates PA into surround sound as far as I know.

I would look at Crown and JBL Pro for your other stuff.

But, know your limitations. Nothing like having a system not work and money spent due to poor planning and design.
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what kinda labor cost are we lookin at?

Get a professional commercial a/v company to give you a quote. There is a lot more needed to know than a list of parts and expectations.
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come on somebody give me a ball park.. $2000 for setup and config, including 2 front desk computers
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I will try calling for a qoute
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You're asking for a quote when nobody knows anything about it.

IT CAN'T BE DONE.
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Sure, you have to consider even audio coverage of the space, which means a couple dozen 70v speakers. At about $150 each, that's $3,600. You will need plenum rated speaker cabling and a decent amp so add $1,500 for that. $5,100 so far.. A 235" tab-tensioned electric, recessed in-ceiling screen? Plan on that being $5,000. So, a bit over $10,000. Now, you need a projector which can deliver the light output to fill a screen that is about 160 square feet. In a DARK theater, that would be about a 3,200 lumen (advertised) projector. In a typically lit (fluorescent lighting) room, that's a 12,800 lumen projector (advertised) minimum. Not meeting that specification, the cheapest quality projector is from Panasonic and rolls in a bit over $20,000...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-DW11KU.htm

At this point, you are at $30,000 and you don't have a single source, you don't have a wireless mic, or a mic mixer, or amplification for all of it.

Oh, and it hasn't been installed.

Forget surround sound, that's just stupid.

There are poor companies without an ounce of intelligence which will try to do it for the money you have, and you will be mad as hell when it is installed and sucks because they don't have the balls to tell you that your budget is completely off target.

What I recommend is you take the first $2,000 and higher a design company to properly design your system for you, then you take it out to bid.

You WILL want:
A good control system so that anyone can use the room without years of A/V experience. (several thousand right there)
A company with a good warranty period so that you have proper support for the first year + of service.
A company that knows what plenum cable is. No, not all of them do!
A company that is properly insured!
A budget which matches your expectations for quality.

What can you do for $20,000?

You can get just a few speakers, a far smaller screen - manual, wireless mic setup which feeds those speakers. A basic control system to run it all and a company which will install it and not screw you over.

There are 6,000 lumen projectors out there for under $5,000 which are excellent. Pair it with a 75 square foot screen - About 150" diagonal.
Cut down the number of speakers in the space and accept decent sound, not great sound. Call it a dozen speakers for $2,000
A b-stock microphone mixer can be had for a couple hundred bucks and be of very good quality.
A good amp can be had for under $1,000.
Projector mount, plenum cabling, and misc materials may be $2,000
A couple of sets of good wireless mics (2) are going to be several hundred dollars each. Call it $2,000 total.
Basic control system with iPad control or similar - $1,500
Video input plate (HDMI) $500 done properly, single connection.
Installation, programming, training, troubleshooting, drawings, project management - easily $6,000.

This is what I do for a living, and that is a somewhat closer expectation for what you might hope to get for $20,000 if you go to the right company. It will be QUALITY and will last you 10 years with proper care and no major weird system glitches or stupidity.

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