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Hi,

I'm building my first home with the help of my father-in-law (I know). This house is a "super-spec" meaning I plan to live here no longer than 3 years, but I want that "plus, plus" house in the neighborhood and structured wiring could be worth my time.

I have access to wholesale electronics/components through my work. Not everything, but some options: Arlington, Audiobahn, Crest, Ethereal, Jamo, JVC, Luxul, Monitor Audio, Niles Audio, Nuvo Tech, Onkyo, Peavey, Polk Audio, QPower, RTI, Sanus, Soundcast, Structured Cable Products, Universal Remote, Vanco, Wyrestorm, Xantech, Yamaha

I'm responsible for the 'low-voltage' wiring in the house and here's my plan:

Layout
Master Bed
Master Bath
Master Closet
Bed 1
Bed 2
Main Bath
Den
Living/Dining/Kitchen - Principal Audio/Entertainment
Bonus
Garage
Laundry


Ethernet - CAT 5e (option Phone)
Master Bed
Bed 1
Bed 2
Den (2x)
Bonus (2x)
Living (4x)
Garage

Cable - RG6
Master Bed
Bed 1
Bed 2
Den
Bonus (2x)
Living (2x)

Audio - 12/4
Living (2x)
Master (2x)
Master Bath (1x)
Master Closet (1x)


I need to understand a few thing:

1) Is this enough? Period

2) Multi-Room Audio recommendations?
- speakers
- controls
- amps
- ??? = profit

3) Ethernet/Phone distribution options? ( I have no plans for phone, but I will wire my CAT5e compatible)

4) What did I miss?


I know i'm asking a lot, but any input would be greatly appreciated as I'm drowning in information and confusion.

Thanks

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Don't worry breh, @jautor will be in here shortly with some good advice
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1) Is this enough? Period

I would call it the minimum "acceptable"...

If you're only planning to stay here <3 years, put in the basics and enough to cover your immediate needs. Additional pre-wiring may not add a dollar to resale, but this will depend on the price of the home and the comparable installations in the neighborhood. Whole-house audio is uncommon in "starter" homes and while it may be appreciated by the right buyer, most folks will assign zero value to it. But in custom developments, that may be a feature, or it might just be expected to be there...

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2) Multi-Room Audio recommendations?
- speakers
- controls
- amps
- ??? = profit

What do you want to accomplish? Goals? Budget? Are you just doing this for resale?

You should be installing stereo speakers in every zone. If the zone is "too small" for multiple speakers, you should probably prioritize another space that does. Master bathroom would be the exception depending on layout. For resale / spec home usage - wire six zones as that's what is supported by most WHA systems without adding external components. Kitchen, dining, master bedroom, master bath, game / bonus, patio.
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3) Ethernet/Phone distribution options? ( I have no plans for phone, but I will wire my CAT5e compatible)

For most folks a larger-than-builder-grade "Structured Wiring Panel" would be more than sufficient. Ensuring there are cat5e wires in most every room is a good start.

And you should absolutely wire for phones. Don't be "weird" when it comes to wiring. Which today would just mean 2x cat5e runs to at least one location in each room (phone + Ethernet).
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4) What did I miss?

Everything else... biggrin.gif

If you're looking for more ideas - the "Wiring Your House 101" guide at Cocoontech is the best resource. A security pre-wire and cabling for video surveillance (exterior and interior) would be next on the list if it's not already there...


Jeff


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I would run cat6 to each room. Cat5e isn't good enough if you have a lot of video you're trying to move around. You could add one cat6 and multiple cat5e, I guess, which I've done (as not everything needs cat6).

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Hi Sorry for the delay, lack of hours in my week.

I wanted to get a few more details into this conversation:

I'm building in Whatcom County, Northwest Washington State:
- average home value: $262k
- average income: $50k
- four electricians i spoke with didn't know what structure wiring was

My house:
- estimated valuation (based on construction budget and pre-construction appraisal) : $325k
- estimated electrical budget (based on bid from current electrical contractor [not doing low-voltage]): $7500

So I've just finished up plumbing the house and I'll be starting in on low voltage wiring tomorrow. I think i'm going to nix all the extras and go basic; i spoke with a neighbor he said that none of the houses in the neighborhood have any pre-wiring other than standard "builder" tv and phone (1 tv, 2 phone)

So I'm going to go "basic" in:
RG6/CAT5e - bed 1, bed 2, den (2x), master bed, bonus (2x), and living
CAT5e - kitchen (primary phone)
CAT5e - central closet

I've ordered:

Leviton 28" Enclosure w/ flush door 47605-28W
Leviton Power & Surge Protector 47605-DP


Planning on ordering:

Leviton 1x8 Port CATV Module 47690-8C
Leviton 12 Port CAT 5e Twist & Mount Patch Panel 476TM-512
Leviton 8 Port Switch 47611-8PT
Leviton Universal Mounting Shelf 47612-UBK
Leviton Push-Lock Pins - Bag Of 20 47615-NYL


We'll see how everything goes. My electrician wants me to run the wires but wait to install the panel till after his rough-in inspection.

Thanks again

taylorjes

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In an effort to be less weird, I installed an additional cat5e line to the den, kitchen, and bonus. There's your telephones cavemen....

Next on the list is audio:

I'm interested in the benefits of this:

Leviton - SGAMP - Spec-Grade Sound 6-Zone, AutoSurge System Matching Module

vs

Leviton - 48211-6A - 1x6 Passive Audio Module

I'm assuming both router the audio via:

Reciever -> Amp -> Module -> Volume Controls -> Speaker Pair

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Just learnt that impedance matching basically protects equipment and provides for a more stable volume level (?)

does this matter in the long run?

what type of amp should i start looking for as i have a pretty basic Onkyo home theater setup with a simple "Zone 2" setup

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If you buy 2 boxes of cat 5e and one of cat 6 you can pull all 3 to each room at once.
Cat5e for phone one for data 6 for high speed data / video.
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