Hi everyone, does anyone know where I can get a balun that's compatible with HDMI 2.0a for HDR? I'm just starting to put together a home theatre setup, so I'd like to future-proof it as much as possible. Alternatively, is there any other way I can easily extend an HDMI 2.0a cable?
Do you think there'll be 2.0a extenders in the near future? I'm completely stuck right now trying to decide if I should stick with my existing setup that uses the long HDMI run (previous owner of my home left me with CAT6 cables running through a conduit), or start all over and put my components near the TV. Thanks for your help!
We're very early in the lifecycle of HDMI 2.0 - flex conduit and a couple cat6 cables alongside whatever HDMI solution will work for you today is your best bet.
Thanks guys! So you think I should just forget about 2.0a for now? It kinda hurts because I just bought a receiver that does 2.0a and I'll also be getting a TV that does 2.0a this year. But if 2.0a source material doesn't really become a thing until years from now, perhaps I'll just forget about it. I just need to commit to a decision ASAP because it will dictate my new living room layout and furniture, and whether or not I need to do a bit of demolition.
HDR, HDCP2.2, 2160p60, ARC... are not currently supported 'natively' by HDBT, that hasn't stopped some folk adding one or more of these features to a product!
Shielded CAT6, like CAT7, we find can cause as many problems as it may potentially resolve when used with HDMI Extenders!
Interesting... do you know if extenders add any input lag (I do a lot of gaming and even fractions of a second matter)? I'm not really clear on how extenders work, i.e. if there's an encoding/decoding process, and more features mean more processing time.
For less than 50 feet check out the Metra Home Theater gigabit accelerator and use a good quality 24 gauge HDMI passive cable. This solution will handle HDMI 2.0 with 18 GB HDR support.
For longer distances I am looking into cleerline fiberoptics products.
I probably should have asked this first but do you guys think I could just use a really long HDMI cable or will the signal suffer too much? I need to measure it properly but I'm guessing my run is about 50'. Again, I'm hoping for HDMI 2.0a support and as little input lag as possible.
For less than 50 feet check out the Metra Home Theater gigabit accelerator and use a good quality 24 gauge HDMI passive cable. This solution will handle HDMI 2.0 with 18 GB HDR support.
Sorry, can you please elaborate on this? I keep coming across articles that say that all HDMI cables are the same so I don't quite understand what this device does.
'Just curious. How far can you run HDMI to carry a signal from a cable box -- > A/V receiver -- > TV ' - as others have said above there are many variables at play.
Valens (HDBT) have two versions of the chip set - the 5-Play allows you up to 300' whilst the 'Lite' version is up to 210'.
We test our kit with 1080p60 to the max lengths and whilst we achieve it in the lab very few installations will require those lengths in a real world situation.
We have a few 'Commercial' Installs where we will be pushing HDBT to the max - some have multiple Tx>Rx (three is the max we have cascaded) to achieve very long runs.
For longer runs Fibre is an option as is HD over LAN (another HDMI over CAT solution) - HD over LAN allows you to use low cost 'repeaters' so can go out to very long lengths.
We are going to try a 40' run of Key Digital pro4k cable that is rated to do > 18Gb for a customer. They make longer runs too. I will update if it works in a few days.
Since I won't be watching 4K until more content is available, I recently bought a 50 foot Blue Jeans 23AWG HDMI cable for my new family room setup. I'll replace it in 6-24 months with a 4K extender. Sony TV and Denon AVR have HDMI 2.0a connections.
I installed 1.5" PVC flex conduit from the attic to the TV and attic to rack. And, I have a few cat6 runs, outside the conduit.
The downside of 23AWG is loss of flexibility and increased strain on the HDMI inputs. And, at 50' you may still have issues even with an active extender. Cudos to you for thinking ahead and using a conduit. That will make cable repairs/updates so much easier. I would throw in a couple of solid core CAT-6/7 cables as well. Non-CCS and not CAT-6 ethernet patch cable. If you have issue with the 50' BJC cable and an active extender, at least you will have the solid core CAT-6/7 in place and can terminate with HDBT if necessary. The solid core is also perfect for extending and ethernet connection with just a keystone punch down jack.
Oh yeah, if you're thinking that you will need 18Gbps, BJC has started to certify some of their Premium (I think) cables for 18Gbps thru an HDMI Licensing ATC, which is really your only "guarantee" that the cable length you purchased has been tested and certified to meet all HDMI 2.0(a) hardware specs. They even provide a certificate of compliance. A lot of cable mfrs claim "up to 18Gbps" performance but I don't see that they are basically certified by HDMI Licensing so cable performance can be hit and miss.
Has anyone confirmed that the Metra Ethereal HDM-GA1 will indeed allow one to reliably transmit 4k/60Hz 4:4:4 up to 50 ft. (actually, I would be happy with 30 ft.)? Thx
i'm kicking myself now. i am all finished in my basement and i ran a ton of cat6 shielded for the purpose of using baluns for 4k vs hdmi cause things change so often. i really never took hdr into the mix cause 1.5 yrs ago there wasn't as much talk that hdr would have so many other requirements to be carried.
i really hope their is solutions out there eventually or i will be ripping out drywall for at least one location. i ran conduit for the theatre cause that was most important but the near by living space and bar i just ran multiple cat6 shielded.
I heard that Liberty AV has a dual cat6 solution in the pipe for 2-3 quarter and they are shooting for full bandwidth at 4:4:4. they are also having a fiber solution i guess.
just thought i would throw it out there for what it's worth.
Maybe I have a solution for you. I believe there is a company called Cosemi Technologies located in Irvine CA that now has an HDMI 2.0 active optical single plug and play cable available. Distances up to 100 meters. You might want to look into that.
Interesting. The highest bandwidth listed is 16Gbps, not 18Gbps. The docs mention HDMI certification but it doesn't mention if the certificate is available. I also noticed that Cosemi Tecnologies is located in Irvine, CA which is where you're located.
I just had 100 feet of Celerity DFO ran today for my install. I have a Key Digital x200proK balun in place and tossed in the fiber last minute for my upcoming k8500. I'll let you know in a few weeks if it works.
I just had 100 feet of Celerity DFO ran today for my install. I have a Key Digital x200proK balun in place and tossed in the fiber last minute for my upcoming k8500. I'll let you know in a few weeks if it works.
I'm new here & trying to follow by the rules. If I have not let me know. The OP was looking for an HDMI 2.0 solution. I only know of one company that actually can do 4k60 4:4:4. I do work for that company. I've had the cables tested with a Quantum 980 signal generator, Astrodesign, as well as a Rhode & Schwartz signal generator. This one has passed, while others have not. If you want to validate the cable I would be more than willing to get you one for testing.
You have 2 of my cables to test with. I know the 5m was validated through Quantum Data themselves and a local company that was able to show me it operate at 4k60 4:4:4. I believe the 20m I sent you can as well. It was a new batch that was made.& has the same components in there to achieve HDMI 2.0.
Keep in mind most state that they have a cable that is 4k60 but what they fail to mention that it is 4k60 4:2:0 & NOT 4:44.
What cable do you make and is there a 10M version? I'm having issues since going from a temp 8M to the perm 10M cable, Nvidia Shield worked on the 8M not at 4k on the 10M had to dumb it down to 1080p. Roku works, but occasionally gets a bad sync and the image is vibrating.
I'm in the planning stages for a Home Theater setup, which will use the Marantz AV7702MkII pre/pro, and JVC DLA-RS400U, so I'm wanting full 4K compatibility and cabling. Reading on finding something to effectively carry the 18gbps, and for me at about 60 feet to get it to the projector, is discouraging.
I just came across these Monoprice SlimRun AV cables, runs starting at 75 feet. Fiber-optic. They claims full 4K/60Hz capability, although they don't specify the magic number of 18gbps (they don't give a number). Here's a link:
The Monoprice cable has standard HDMI connectors, so AFAIK, you just plug them into your devices like any other HDMI cable. Unless I'm missing something here, which is quite possible.
Yes. The Cables are. My understanding is that the ends take the electrical signal from the HDMI connection on the device, internally converts it to an optical signal, and then reconverts to electrical on the other end.
From their website:
SlimRun™ AV is an active optical cable system designed to connect two HDMI-enabled devices with high performance, low power consumption, and low cost. Using optical fiber to replace copper wire as the high-speed signal transmission medium, SlimRun can perfectly transmit 4K@60HZ UHD video over distances up to 330 feet. Compared with traditional copper wire cables, SlimRun AV is not only longer, softer, and slimmer, but also offers better signal quality without the need for external power. Compared with other HDMI optical fiber transmission solutions, SlimRun AV is easier to use and is perfectly compatible, with no need for external adapters or converters.
ETA I just had an online chat with monoprice, and they state this cable supports 18gbps for up to 330 feet. If true, this is what we all want. But I haven't found any verification that they deliver this in practice.
Thanks for the back and forth. I need to span a couple 10 meter and 20 meter spans and want to be able to reliably have 4K60 4:4:4. I am running 2cat6a cables for this but reasonable cost or any cost HDBaseT nor balun nor cable solutions appear to currently exist to meet my wants. So, I look and question.
While I need to run cable next month while remodeling displays and media might be a couple years out.
The two cat6a cables are pure speculation and may not end up being a solution but as long as I am running one cat6a it is not that much more expensive to run 3 cat6a cables. I am running conduit as well.
I have the 100 ft of DFO ran to HDMI 2 of the OCB of the JS9500 with UHD color enabled for HDMI 2. I have both the TX and RX ends being powered by spare Apple iPhone USB chargers. The DFO is ran straight to the HDMI 1 of the K8500. I have the audio being ran to my Integra via HDMI 2 of the K8500. My AVR is suppose to support 4K HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a pass through but I haven't tested that.
I have 4:4:4 and Deep Color set to Auto on the K8500. Also again TV HDMI 2 is set to UHD on.
No handshaking issues. Player menus show 3840x2160p/60p. When I fired up The Martian the TV switched to 3840x2160p/24 and enabled HDR (Contrast/Backlight switched automatically switched). Watched only a min or 2 then turned it off so I can watch it later tonight or tomorrow. Will provide report later after watching the movie to ensure no hiccups.
Quick photo before I enabled Deep Color to Auto. Pardon the blue tape on the wall... our painter is coming in the few weeks to touch up our walls.
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