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Help with basic music distribution in retail store

I'm opening a new retail store in a couple of months and would like there to be background music playing. I'm planning on using Pandora for Business as my music source. I'm not looking for anything fancy, probably 5 or 6 in-ceiling speakers spread throughout the location and a basic amp/mixer.

I've been told for commercial I should use 70v mono speakers as that is better for commercial rather than stereo. I called a local big box type store and spoke with their specialist. He recommended six 4-inch JBL in-ceiling speakers at about $260/pair and priced out two JBL mixers. One was one zone and about $450 and the other was two zones at about $730. The reason for the possibility of two zones is to have different volume levels in the sales area and back area (fitting rooms and hallways).

I went on monoprice and saw some in-ceiling speakers at $20/each and am trying to find a basic mixer/amp. Would those products I listed below work for me? Is there any reason I should consider paying over $1200 vs. the $300 I can get this stuff for on Monoprice? This is a women's clothing store so I don't need top of the line stuff. The total square footage of the store is 1800 sq. ft. with the sales area about 1400-1500 of it. Thanks for the help!

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14888

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=18800
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14886

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You don't need to do 70v if you're only doing 6 speakers, but there's no reason not to either since a lot of commercial stuff supports it. You should definitely do mono though.

For background music at a clothing store I wouldn't hesitate to use the monoprice stuff. It's not vital to your business so if it breaks you replace it eventually.

If you want different volume levels in two areas, you can always "tap" the 70v speakers at a different wattage and there you go.

Other options are used commercial stuff on ebay. DBX zonepro, a used Crown CDi, TOA stuff, etc. Russound makes a neat box for small installs, the Xzone70V.
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I actually realized that the quote from the big box store was for 4" speakers and the ones I chose from Monoprice also offer 4" speakers at 20w which probably is better for my store than 6.5" at 50w. That brings the price down from $50/speaker to $20/speaker. Seems like there is no reason not to give it a try.

Do you think the 60w 3 channel amp would be sufficient or does it make sense to get the extra power of the 120w 5 channel amp for the extra $50? Also, when you say "tap" the speakers does that refer to the wattage setting on the speaker itself? So perhaps setting the one in the back to 10w and the 5 in the main area at 5w (or something along those lines)?

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In a commercial environment, I'd do a 70V system before I'd do an 8-ohm system any day. So much easier to install and maintain, and you don't have to sit down and calculate impedance. You just run (1) 18 gauge cable, daisy-chaining all speakers. Each speaker has its own matching transformer. The loudness of the speaker is, in large part, determined by the tap of the transformer. If you need a speaker louder or quieter than the others, you just change what you have it tapped at. If you need to add a speaker, you just run a line from an existing speaker and hook it up, tapping it at whatever level you need (probably the same as the others). Unlike 8-ohm systems where the speaker 100 feet away is not as loud as the speaker that's 20 feet out, all speakers are the same loudness (assuming they're all tapped the same).

For 6 speakers in a retail environment, a 60-watt amp would most likely suffice, as 5 watts per speaker would be plenty. Nordstrom taps theirs at 6.25.

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I would do the 120 without doubt. 60w doesn't give you a lot of headroom. You would "ideally" have to tap them lower than 10w each if you use 6 speakers. Plus you get more inputs.

I've used the JBL control can speakers before, they sound good for what they are. I don't know what the monoprice sound like, but I would probably do the 6" ones.

Yep, you got it, that's the wattage setting on the speaker.
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With that small of an area, I think 5 watts would be plenty. That's only 50% load on a 60 watt amp. If there's only a 20 or 30 dollar difference between 60 and 120, sure, go with the 120 watt amp. If the price difference is more than that, I really don't see the advantage of a larger amp in a setting such as this.

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Thanks again for all the thoughts. @eatenbacktolife , do you say go with the 6" ones b/c you feel they will sound better than the 4" ones or simply b/c they offer more power (50w vs. 20w.)? At $50/speaker I certainly wouldn't call them expensive but they are a bit more than the $20 4" speakers.

I'm sure the JBL would sound better than either of these monoprice speakers but I don't really see it being worth spending an extra $800-900. I don't think too many women shoppers are going to critique the "tinniness" of our music...
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' I don't think too many women shoppers are going to critique the "tinniness" of our music... ' - hopefully that is not your Gerald Ratner moment!!!


Background Music can be hugely influential on your customers and their willingness to spend money with you.


For a 'discrete' system we often use Cloud - http://www.cloud.co.uk/applications/?id=11 and have also found SONOS to be a good option as it is easy to expand or rearrange the system where required with little or no additional wiring.


Depending on the 'style' of your store there are lots of systems now where folk want a more 'obvious' loudspeaker system and go down the designer speaker route.


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Does he need to worry about UL rating and code compliance? We had that issue where some of the cheap Chinese speakers aren't UL compliant so they wouldn't have been allowed.
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Why do speakers that will handle 50 watts when the most you will ever give them is less than 10? You would be surprised at how loud 10 watts is.

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Help with basic music distribution in retail store

I have a project coming up in a commercial space, and am planning to use a couple of Nuvo D460 amplifiers connected to a Nuvo P300 pre amp; the amps are switchable from 4-8 ohms. They have triggers but can also sense incoming audio to trigger on.

We're using 8 dual voice coil speakers so similar to your setup.

The amps are about $270/ea, and the streaming player is $300. We'll also have a couple of wall keypads to control them (volume, source, track skip, mute, etc...) and those are $100/ea

If you want multiple zones, get another streaming player and split the amps. Or look at some of their other multi-zone products with amps built in. Like a P3100 or P3500. Those are both 3 zones each. It's home stuff but would prob work fine for what you're doing.

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