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Old 04-13-2006, 02:55 PM - Thread Starter
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Has anyone installed Sylvania SL 600 speakers for their whole house audio? How do they sound? They are only $55 on buy.com and seem considerably better than the $38 Dayton 6.5" speakers on PartsExpress (which seem to be the cheapest option around). Also, the Dayton's look like they have a bracket for installing directly onto the sheetrock on an existing ceiling (like old work electrical wall boxes, they have clamps that screw down tight). Would anyone know if the Sylvania's come with this? It is too late for pre-construction brackets for me.

P.S.: Here is a link to them.
http://www.buy.com/prod/sylvania-sl-.../90111723.html
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Old 04-13-2006, 07:03 PM
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Why would you do this when you can get decent sounding speakers from a real brand for under $200.
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Why would you do this when you can get decent sounding speakers from a real brand for under $200.
Different folks have different ears, different price points. He's looking for $50 speakers, you're talking about quadrupling that price point, many folks wouldn't even consider anything less than Triad in-walls at $500/speaker.

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Why would you do this when you can get decent sounding speakers from a real brand for under $200.
I am not building a home theater room--this is for "good enough" audio throughout the house.

6 rooms * $200 = $1200
6 rooms * $50 = $300
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I can't emphasize this enough DON'T SKIMP ON CEILING SPEAKERS! You get what you pay for (within reason). You don't need brackets installed for most decent brands, they come with ears for securing to drywall.
If you only have $300 to spend, do just one or two rooms for now. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for a miserable experience. Within a year, you'll be replacing the cheap speakers due to failed cones, rusted grills, or tinny sound. If you're just a builder working on a cheap flip and don't care about quality...shame on you again!
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I can't emphasize this enough DON'T SKIMP ON CEILING SPEAKERS! You get what you pay for (within reason). You don't need brackets installed for most decent brands, they come with ears for securing to drywall.
If you only have $300 to spend, do just one or two rooms for now. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for a miserable experience. Within a year, you'll be replacing the cheap speakers due to failed cones, rusted grills, or tinny sound. If you're just a builder working on a cheap flip and don't care about quality...shame on you again!
If I was a builder I wouldn't even have bothered asking.

When you are new to home audio and especially ceiling speakers, you have no idea what is "quality" and what is "cheap."

First of all, I posted a question about a month about and got several replies telling me to buy one or two decent pairs of speakers in the main rooms, and install the $35 Dayton speakers in the rest of the rooms. The people who said so said from personal experience that they were glad they did, as the cheap ones were all they really needed for these secondary rooms.

I am installing speakers in 6 places... Family room, office, guest bedroom, master bedroom, master bathroom, and garage. The family room speakers and teh master bedroom speakers will get the most use (and are the largest rooms), and the rest will not need top-quality speakers.

None of these should be subjected to water or moisture or I have bigger problems than poor quality speakers.

What I was wondering is whether these speakers, which seem to me to be much better than the $35 pairs others have suggested, would be worth the slightly higher cost and/or be able to perform well even in the larger rooms.

For one measure, the $35 Daytons say their speaker frequency response is something like 60Hz-20000Hz, and the Sylvania's 45Hz-20000Hz. In my experience that extra 15Hz of bass response is a big deal.
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I see where you are coming from, but you are shopping for speakers with your wallet instead of your ears. Why not buy a single pair first and see how they work for you?

BTW, bathrooms and garages are considered high moisture areas. So are kitchens, which you don't seem to have spec'd out. There's no better place for background music than the kitchen IMHO.
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I am not building a home theater room--this is for "good enough" audio throughout the house.

6 rooms * $200 = $1200
6 rooms * $50 = $300

My point is that once you add wiring, switching, amps, installation costs and/or time - the difference starts to look much smaller. It's going to cost you several hundred dollars per room anyway - more if you use an installer.
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I picked up a pair of Polk's from ebay for ~120/pair. They're going into the master bathroom so I needed to be sure to take moisture-proof into consideration. Will be installing this weekend.
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Whenever you put music in your house, the rule of thumb is always to be generous with your wallet when it comes to speakers. You can have the best baddest amp, but with cheap speakers, you will have a lousy sound system. A modest amp with good speakers will sound quite good, however.

I think that a good starting point for in wall or in ceiling speakers might be $60 to $100 each. Most people not on a budget should invest $150-200 and up per speaker, much like a bookshelf speaker might cost. These are generalizations of course.

When buying speakers, it's best to buy a known brand. Polk was mentioned; there are other brand names with consistent reputations. Niles, Speakercraft, Sonance - many use these and they have some modest price points. I use Sonance but others prefer a different brand. When I have wanted to really pare the budget I have used BIC in ceiling speakers and they are decent for the money. In ceilings are the MSR6.

Sylvania is an old US television maker whose name has been bought. Everything they put out is budget and warehouse oriented. That being said, do you want us to say it's great stuff? With an off brand like that, you will just have to try it and see what you get. You won't have a known good brand to test it side by side with, so maybe it will do for you.
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I see the point about bathrooms and moisture... but I wouldn't know what to look for and I know I'm not going to bother to get something weather proof (it would be too much work to weed out those marked "weather proof" as a mere marketing ploy to increase the price 50%).

The problem is, I can't afford several hundred per room. I could let a couple rooms go for now (like the garage and guest bedroom), but cutting back any more and I might as well just use a stereo. I have been looking at the Russound CAA66 which would be less than $200/room, plus speakers.

I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to say the Sylvania's will sound great. My only real-life experience in this area is the speakers my parents have installed - I couldn't get to the back of them so I don't know exactly what brand, but they have no labels anywhere so I assume they are fairly generic -- and they definitely sound good enough for me. I wouldn't use them for a home theater of course, but for low to mid-high volume (workout-music level or something) they sound very nice. Unfortunately the contractors they had install them are long gone.

BTW, the project is totally DIY, and I will be able to add to it later or replace poor speakers if I have to. The priority now is to make use of the wiring I already installed :)

Also, I didn't mention kitchen because it is pretty much part of the family room/dining room, and that is why I will be ok with paying for better speakers in that room. It's not a very big house, 1400 sq. ft. main floor, 1400 sq. ft. basement (unfinished for now).
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The problem is, I can't afford several hundred per room. I could let a couple rooms go for now (like the garage and guest bedroom), but cutting back any more and I might as well just use a stereo. I have been looking at the Russound CAA66 which would be less than $200/room, plus speakers.
Not sure if it would be a less expensive alternative to the CAA66 system or not but take a look at Russounds A-Bus system. I put that in my house a couple years ago and I'm really happy with it.

You're not likely to go deaf with the 15 watts this system supplies but you won't be able to talk over it if you turn it up either. I run on the treadmill with it cranked up pretty good...good enough to annoy my wife upstairs. I'm using some BIC America Muro VI-38's (in walls around $130 per pair) with it.

Just another option...good luck.
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according to this site http://electrogalaxy.dtopinc.com/ind...iling-speakers the 600's are open there won't be any bass, you should consider the 700's which are sealed. Remember also, anyone sleeping in a bedroom above a ceiling speaker is going to get disturbed when they're playing.
Also see this post...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=666975

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