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I'm exploring the Sonos system for use in my new house. I never thought of placeng all the Sonos boxes in a central location and powering zone speakers from a multi channel amp at the central location. That sounds like a great idea. Someone mention having a network-attached storage box with music in the central location. I"m new to the NAS idea. How would the NAS work with the Sonos? Is the NAS essintially a computer without a monitor and keyboard?

I thought I was hip to technology stuff, but I had to google "NAS" (don't tell anyone)

I have a similar setup where all my Zoneplayers are all located in my closet. Keep in mind, you don't NEED a multichannel amp in this scenario if you have ZP-100's.
One of my ZP-100's is powering a pair of 8" + 6.5" stereo speaker from the basement to the master bedroom.


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That's right, you don't need a computer. However, if you have one, consider it another controller once you have installed the Desktop Controller software. The software allows tou to easily manage the whole system (which you can do from the wireless controller) with the advantage of having it display on your PC display.

Thanks for the help. so the Sonos software does not get installed on the NAS?

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No, only on the computer for setup.

However, with the new music management setup, you can *almost* set up the system without a computer. It will seek out music files with the touch of a button and you can hook up to a NAS without a computer in an easier and more automated way.

Can't get it to work with the Apple Airport Extreme's USB port yet though.

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Howdi All.

First things first.... heap lavish praise on the manufacturer for such a great gizmo. And to those who take the time to educate and assist here on the forum <*smiles*>

Have been looking at all manner of whole home control systems ... and settled on Control4. (niles, russound, xantech, channelvision, channelplus, colorado, B&K,... etc .. scared o$$ without looking at Creston ) Saw Sonos on boxing day last year and shrugged it off. The more I read about Sonos, and compared costs for equal utility, I ordered a bundle in August. (Fabulous buying experience ... well treated by Sonos Store direct.)
This is all a work currently in progress...

When we re-sided the house last week, unhooked the satellite internet dish (Xplornet - inet sole use) ... the network got funny (expected) but sonos did not work. The software (2.5) would load (very slowly) but could not see the music running on a hard-drive connected to latest fastest mac mini with 2Gb ram. (all mac based here....)

I'm guessing there is a way to run it without an active internet connect IP adress. ( is there ?) That's the question. How.

************

Regarding Sonos as a system, integrated into whole home, each of the ZP80's have both Toslink output (digital) and RCA (analog) - the ZP100s just RCA --- with at least 4 of these, you can have quite a number of input sources. These are now selectable as an input from any zone. ie ... dvd, cable music, tv

At $400, the handheld controller (CR100) is elegant, functional, and fun.
Compare at likely $600-$700 minimum for other LCD control (control4, niles, B&K etc) ... and the Sonos is a clear winner.

I'm trying now to weigh utlity, integration, cost and quality of sound reproduction : 16 channel, 100W/ch Control4 amp or go with a selection of B&K, Rotel, Marantz amps/AV receivers. If there are a number of av receivers, that would help with switching HD video.... hmmm . decisions.

I am a gluton for power and that is what turned me off of Russound and others in the first place ... 50 W/ch is merely a background quality of sound (sure it can boot louder, but not as crisp as 100W amps and preferably 200W/ch amps.) ... Control4 had this 100W/16 ch amp which attracted me. The system is what kept me interested, as I am now looking at the separates route, which should all be controllable with the Control4 system.

Part of system for reference:
In-ceiling speakers : 3 pairs paradigm, 1 pair sonance, 2 pair boston Acoustics VRi565 ... need one more pair.
Floor Standing : Pair each of Boston Acoustics VR3s, VR2s, A150s,
Bookshelf : 3 pairs PSB Alpha - varying models.
Outdoor : 2 pairs Boston Acoustics Grand Voyager,

3 1080P TVs, 2 monitors, kitchen tv
security cameras
lighting

Not including TVs, likely into about $2,500 for wiring.
$5000 for control, $4000 for amplification etc
Wired most myself ....
To all major rooms from central Home Run :
Toslink
HDMI ... up to 75' (monoprice) .. will report later when all installed ... 6 mo?
Speaker 14/4
Cat5e x 2 min
5 coax component + audio (monoprice)
subwoofer cable

(monoprice also with great products/service)

"Nuff ranting and systems dump... Questions welcome.
Answers most appreciated
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Howdi All.

First things first.... heap lavish praise on the manufacturer for such a great gizmo. And to those who take the time to educate and assist here on the forum <*smiles*>

Have been looking at all manner of whole home control systems ... and settled on Control4. (niles, russound, xantech, channelvision, channelplus, colorado, B&K,... etc .. scared o$$ without looking at Creston ) Saw Sonos on boxing day last year and shrugged it off. The more I read about Sonos, and compared costs for equal utility, I ordered a bundle in August. (Fabulous buying experience ... well treated by Sonos Store direct.)
This is all a work currently in progress...

When we re-sided the house last week, unhooked the satellite internet dish (Xplornet - inet sole use) ... the network got funny (expected) but sonos did not work. The software (2.5) would load (very slowly) but could not see the music running on a hard-drive connected to latest fastest mac mini with 2Gb ram. (all mac based here....)

I'm guessing there is a way to run it without an active internet connect IP adress. ( is there ?) That's the question. How.

************

Regarding Sonos as a system, integrated into whole home, each of the ZP80's have both Toslink output (digital) and RCA (analog) - the ZP100s just RCA --- with at least 4 of these, you can have quite a number of input sources. These are now selectable as an input from any zone. ie ... dvd, cable music, tv

At $400, the handheld controller (CR100) is elegant, functional, and fun.
Compare at likely $600-$700 minimum for other LCD control (control4, niles, B&K etc) ... and the Sonos is a clear winner.

I'm trying now to weigh utlity, integration, cost and quality of sound reproduction : 16 channel, 100W/ch Control4 amp or go with a selection of B&K, Rotel, Marantz amps/AV receivers. If there are a number of av receivers, that would help with switching HD video.... hmmm . decisions.

I am a gluton for power and that is what turned me off of Russound and others in the first place ... 50 W/ch is merely a background quality of sound (sure it can boot louder, but not as crisp as 100W amps and preferably 200W/ch amps.) ... Control4 had this 100W/16 ch amp which attracted me. The system is what kept me interested, as I am now looking at the separates route, which should all be controllable with the Control4 system.

Part of system for reference:
In-ceiling speakers : 3 pairs paradigm, 1 pair sonance, 2 pair boston Acoustics VRi565 ... need one more pair.
Floor Standing : Pair each of Boston Acoustics VR3s, VR2s, A150s,
Bookshelf : 3 pairs PSB Alpha - varying models.
Outdoor : 2 pairs Boston Acoustics Grand Voyager,

3 1080P TVs, 2 monitors, kitchen tv
security cameras
lighting

Not including TVs, likely into about $2,500 for wiring.
$5000 for control, $4000 for amplification etc
Wired most myself ....
To all major rooms from central Home Run :
Toslink
HDMI ... up to 75' (monoprice) .. will report later when all installed ... 6 mo?
Speaker 14/4
Cat5e x 2 min
5 coax component + audio (monoprice)
subwoofer cable

(monoprice also with great products/service)

"Nuff ranting and systems dump... Questions welcome.
Answers most appreciated

Sounds like you need a router reboot for your network issues... could you clarify exactly what issues you're having with your Internet Connection? That shouldn't have any impact on Sonos if you're playing local files... unless the Zone Players are wireless and maybe on the verge of coverage range?
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50W per channel is PLENTY of power for your speakers! PSB Alphas can run off of 5W very nicely and could easily be blown up with 50W of power and difficult music. How many Sonos zones are you doing? Just one? We use Sonos to run the entire house *except* for surround areas. We use existing Sonos amps or 35W/ch Sherbourn amps. Not because we are cheap, but because they do a great job!

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does the sonos have a 12V trigger output or something similar? i am thinking of pairing the ZP80 with a receiver but would like to turn the receiver on automatically when i play the ZP80... are there workarounds?
i could pair a ZP100 with speakers but then i lose a subwoofer...
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No, but the Sherbourn amps will turn on when music is sensed. The 2/150 will also automatically switch to a local source, like a TV when that is on, but revert to Sonos when it is off.

Why would you lose a sub with a ZP100? It has a sub out with automatic 80Hz crossover.

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does the sonos have a 12V trigger output or something similar? i am thinking of pairing the ZP80 with a receiver but would like to turn the receiver on automatically when i play the ZP80... are there workarounds?

I keep my amps on all the time... is that bad?
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Sounds like you need a router reboot for your network issues... could you clarify exactly what issues you're having with your Internet Connection? That shouldn't have any impact on Sonos if you're playing local files... unless the Zone Players are wireless and maybe on the verge of coverage range?

It may very well have been a router re-boot requirement. As it happens, all dishes re-installed now and INET good to go. Glad to hear it wasn't an issue with INET requirement.... for future. Sonos displayed a note that it could not find the music file.... so you are probably bang on there dstrack... One player is wireless...

As far as power and 50w/ch goes, yes, it cranks up nicely (on sonos 100 and through older Nakamichi TA2A receiver) at 50w , but, recall ... I am a power gluton and like it loud ... and clean :-) ... but only when the boss (read : wifey) ain't around !

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No, but the Sherbourn amps will turn on when music is sensed. The 2/150 will also automatically switch to a local source, like a TV when that is on, but revert to Sonos when it is off.

Why would you lose a sub with a ZP100? It has a sub out with automatic 80Hz crossover.

well i guess most amps have auto-sensing, but i am pairing it with a receiver that doubles as a home theater processor in another zone. i would like to put a ZP80 for that zone, hooked up via optical to the receiver, and i would like the receiver to turn on automatically when i turn on sonos for that zone.
i am still hesitant to jump on sonos because they may have something new coming up... maybe IR outputs, video support, XM integration... i hope they announce something on CES.
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Sonos doesn't really pre-announce products but IR and video support have been major talking points from the community side in the forums. Personally I don't think IR is on the roadmap (unfortunate and my speculation only)... Video is on the radar but I would be shocked if they actually announce a product anytime soon - I'd be even more shocked if it doesn't somehow nicely integrate with existing products.

XM Integration would be a software update like Sirius was so that's not too big of a deal - however I would imagine they don't implement and rather wait for the merger to happen.
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Sonos doesn't really pre-announce products but IR and video support have been major talking points from the community side in the forums. Personally I don't think IR is on the roadmap (unfortunate and my speculation only)... Video is on the radar but I would be shocked if they actually announce a product anytime soon - I'd be even more shocked if it doesn't somehow nicely integrate with existing products.

XM Integration would be a software update like Sirius was so that's not too big of a deal - however I would imagine they don't implement and rather wait for the merger to happen.

Very interesting... video would make it possibly the best product ever. It's that good.
as for the XM, there is no integration as of yet. BUT there is a workaround on forums easily found that tells how to add your favorite XM stations to your sonos. I have done this for several stations and it works great.
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