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post #7231 of 7259 Old 09-30-2016, 03:52 PM
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But then it didn't occur to you that connections/cables could be the problem either. Loss of a color is a common problem that goes back to component days.
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Exactly as I suspected, Deoxit costs much more than a new HDMI cord, so for anyone hoping to see if cleaning might help, don't hold your breath.

[When I get a chance, I might check out if this iffy cord works on other devices in other systems around the house though]
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I agree most solid state, non-mechanical, low current electronics don't suffer much from being left on 24/7, it's the notion that oxidation (electrical contact film) is a function of use or electrical flow that I disagreed with.

HDMI cords are so cheap these days I wonder if buying deoxit is even worth it but your mention of cleaning did prompt me to visually inspect it. Under an unaided eye the pins all look normal but I did notice the outer surface has some sort of "film" on it. I guess in theory the internal pins which can't be inspected as easily do too, not sure.

For demonstration purposes I gave a quick, cursory wipe using merely my finger and the film [related to fumes from the weird sticky exterior issue?...hmm...] easily wiped off. I'm reluctant to now swap this cable back in to see is it is OK since I don't want to ruin a good thing, but here's a photo I took with my iphone 5 showing the white film on right and the shiny gold surface on the casual finger wiped left side one:
Wow, the plating on one of those connectors is so horribly worn that I think I may have laughed for 3 or 4mins. If it's that worn on the outside I'd have to agree that the surfaces on the internal pins probably aren't ideal . The really funny thing is that even the "good" connector shows a lot more wear than any HDMI cable I've ever used.

It's absolutely no surprise that these are "cheap" HDMI cables . The shiny gold connector shows signs of some pitting. You are right about even bothering cleaning these & re-inserting them.

(He,he.he,he............. thanks for the "cheap" entertainment. Your DVDO Edge has it's work cut out for it using these HDMI "cords" as you like to call them (& as such it's a good thing they're cheap)

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Cheap cords (as zillions of people call them) are definitely the way to go in this instance. Looks like that three dollars I spent on this one (they're even cheaper now) was well worth the decade, or so, of use it gave me, in fact I suspect it still works fine if I wipe clean the second end (no Deoxit necessary).

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".

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I own a edge for a few years, I wan't to look at 3d content.
What firmware version should I use and where can I download it.

What is the button for video pass through, I want to use my edge as a hdmi switch only

I got the version with the extra hdmi input on the front
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I own a edge for a few years, I wan't to look at 3d content.
What firmware version should I use and where can I download it.

What is the button for video pass through, I want to use my edge as a hdmi switch only

I got the version with the extra hdmi input on the front
My understanding, but I am not 100% sure, is that only the EDGE Green, not the one you have, can pass-through [no processing allowed] 3D content. Sorry.

Other than turning off all processing I don't think there is a direct video pass through either on the non-Green units. Doing this should effectively be just as good, I would think, although theoretically it would be nice to bypass the circuits entirely, yes.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".
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My understanding, but I am not 100% sure, is that only the EDGE Green, not the one you have, can pass-through [no processing allowed] 3D content. Sorry.

Other than turning off all processing I don't think there is a direct video pass through either on the non-Green units. Doing this should effectively be just as good, I would think, although theoretically it would be nice to bypass the circuits entirely, yes.
It's time to say goodbye to the edge.

I better buy a hdmi switch with edid , so I can still use my old yamaha rxv1800 and enjoy 3D (and 4K) on my new Epson tw9300
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It's time to say goodbye to the edge.

I better buy a hdmi switch with edid , so I can still use my old yamaha rxv1800 and enjoy 3D (and 4K) on my new Epson tw9300
I guess you are already aware your Yamaha, a nice machine otherwise, can't pass 3D because being from 2009 and only HDMI 1.3a it can't pass 3D. You need at least HDMI 1.4

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http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answer...1.4-and-2.0%3F
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I guess you are already aware your Yamaha, a nice machine otherwise, can't pass 3D because being from 2009 and only HDMI 1.3a it can't pass 3D. You need at least HDMI 1.4

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http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answer...1.4-and-2.0%3F
Yes, Thank you.

I want to upgrade the yamaha in the future, a switch is the poor man's solution for now
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Are there discrete IR codes that give direct access to say pan horizontal and vertical controls?
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My understanding, but I am not 100% sure, is that only the EDGE Green, not the one you have, can pass-through [no processing allowed] 3D content. Sorry.

Other than turning off all processing I don't think there is a direct video pass through either on the non-Green units. Doing this should effectively be just as good, I would think, although theoretically it would be nice to bypass the circuits entirely, yes.
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I better buy a hdmi switch with edid , so I can still use my old yamaha rxv1800 and enjoy 3D (and 4K) on my new Epson tw9300
I own the original Edge. It will absolutely pass through 3d. There is an option in the settings to enable it. You might need the latest firmware for this option, I'm not sure. After going 4K, I'm not using the unit as much as I used too, mostly to upscale LD and S-VHS sources.
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Mine seems to be on the fritz. It's had issues on several occasions outputting audio, in addition to two HDMI inputs that randomly black out for a few seconds. With the audio, it will lock on with the AVR for a few seconds and then die. I finally gave up tonight and set it to output audio on the video output, and then I routed through the TV to the AVR via optical, which is fine for any of my low-quality/1080p sources like my HTPC, Wii U or TiVo (my UHD BD, Roku Ultra, and Chromecast Ultra are connected directly to the TV, with separate HDMI and optical for the UHD BD and Roku, respectively).

I'm about to give up on the thing next time around and run my 1080p sources through the AVR.
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I've had an EDGE GREEN for years and love it. I'd like to find a pristine spare. Any recommendations?
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Update: My issues are probably my AVR, not my EDGE Green. My UHD BD is doing the same thing now. Still not sure if the EDGE Green has a place in my next setup, especially if I finally cut the cord, and don't have any crappy Comcast channels to try and fix up before sending them to my UHDTV.
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Update: My issues are probably my AVR, not my EDGE Green. My UHD BD is doing the same thing now. Still not sure if the EDGE Green has a place in my next setup, especially if I finally cut the cord, and don't have any crappy Comcast channels to try and fix up before sending them to my UHDTV.
I find my Edge quite useful with my UHD TV. For me it is mostly about independence. I don't use my AVR as a video switch mainly because it is old and was expensive. It still sounds great and works wonderfully, but doesn't support anything beyond HDMI 1.2. I also have 7 video sources, so the Edge having 6 inputs is a great help. Because of the Edge, I not hindered by the receiver's number of inputs nor its aged specs, and find no reason to replace it.

Furthermore, I still watch a surprising number of DVDs. The Edge does a better job of upconverting them than the TV, so I can still enjoy watching them. A less obvious issue of mine is that I don't want my TV connected to the Internet. There are a several reasons for this, but mainly I have my TV setup just as I like it, and I don't want a firmware update. I've heard about updates causing problems, so I figure why take a risk.

So, all told, I find a video processor still plays an important role in my TV room. I actually tried using my UHD TV without the Edge, but switched back to it after about a month.
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I have a DVDO Edge with the HDMI port in front. I love using it. No issues at all. However, I'm starting to make the move to 4k. I have 4k from my DirecTV receiver, Xbox One S, PS4 Pro and want a switch that can send the 4k singnal to my 4k TV and the lossless audio to my receiver. My receiver is older, a Sherwood Newcastle R972 but I love the Trinnov room correction so I don't want to upgrade. What is out there that can switch 4k for me and has 2 HDMI outputs? I also probably need the HDCP 2.2 since the DirecTV needs it I believe.
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I find my Edge quite useful with my UHD TV. For me it is mostly about independence. I don't use my AVR as a video switch mainly because it is old and was expensive. It still sounds great and works wonderfully, but doesn't support anything beyond HDMI 1.2. I also have 7 video sources, so the Edge having 6 inputs is a great help. Because of the Edge, I not hindered by the receiver's number of inputs nor its aged specs, and find no reason to replace it.

Furthermore, I still watch a surprising number of DVDs. The Edge does a better job of upconverting them than the TV, so I can still enjoy watching them. A less obvious issue of mine is that I don't want my TV connected to the Internet. There are a several reasons for this, but mainly I have my TV setup just as I like it, and I don't want a firmware update. I've heard about updates causing problems, so I figure why take a risk.

So, all told, I find a video processor still plays an important role in my TV room. I actually tried using my UHD TV without the Edge, but switched back to it after about a month.
I may keep mine around. It's good for the Wii, TiVo, HTPC (don't want to shell out for a 4k graphics card just for the desktop to look sharper) and it would still work with my new TiVo Roamio OTA. However, it can't handle my UHD-BD, Roku Ultra, or Chromecast Ultra. The other annoying part is that I have to manually switch the output from 720p to 1080p depending on the channel, as I don't want ESPN games to be converted from 720p to 1080p to 2160p, I want them to go directly from 720p to 2160p. Once Comcast goes to MPEG-4 and everything looks like garbage, I can just leave it at 720p though, since they will be down-rezzing everything to 720p anyway....

I've got to get this audio issue sorted out. If my AVR is in fact going bad on the HDMI side, that means I have to figure out how I'm going to switch everything, probably through the TV with one optical cable back to the AVR. That would actually make operation of the system and the cabling a lot simpler, even though it wouldn't give me full bitstreaming capability for UHD-BD disks with DTS-HD MA.

Do you have a separate old DVD player you're feeding through the EDGE? I would think that the UHD-BD player would be a better job upscaling than the EDGE?
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Onkyo S9400THX HDMI Audio Unreliable

Turns out it's an AVR issue. My AVR is going back for a repair. My EDGE still has two HDMI IN ports that are going bad, but 3 still work properly.
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I have a DVDO Edge with the HDMI port in front. I love using it. No issues at all. However, I'm starting to make the move to 4k. I have 4k from my DirecTV receiver, Xbox One S, PS4 Pro and want a switch that can send the 4k singnal to my 4k TV and the lossless audio to my receiver. My receiver is older, a Sherwood Newcastle R972 but I love the Trinnov room correction so I don't want to upgrade. What is out there that can switch 4k for me and has 2 HDMI outputs? I also probably need the HDCP 2.2 since the DirecTV needs it I believe.
I've been looking at the DVDO Quick6 or DVDO Matrix but they don't pass HDCP 2.2 and I'm not sure if they're planning on updating the firmware for the products to do that in the future. Should I get one of these switchers or something else now that my DVDO Edge seems outdated for 4k?
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I've been looking at the DVDO Quick6 or DVDO Matrix but they don't pass HDCP 2.2 and I'm not sure if they're planning on updating the firmware for the products to do that in the future. Should I get one of these switchers or something else now that my DVDO Edge seems outdated for 4k?
Just get an HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 switch connected directly to the TV. If you need lossless audio from the XBone, I believe it only has one HDMI out, so you'd need a 4k-capable receiver. IMO, cheaper to get a UHD-BD with two HDMI outputs, or live with DD 5.1 over optical. If your TV can pass DTS-HD MA via ARC, that's another avenue to look at. I have a similar setup, with my 4k stuff directly connected to the TV, and 1080p stuff running through the DVDO EDGE. It gets convoluted because the Roku feeds optical directly to my AVR, my EDGE Green feeds HDMI audio to my AVR, and my UHD-BD feeds HDMI audio to my AVR, but the Chromecast Ultra has to backfeed through the TV's optical port. I guess I should really simplify the setup and run everything except the UHD-BD through optical from the TV, or at least run the Roku that way, but I like the control of the direct connection, so I end up with the pile of spaghetti that I have.
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I haven't found another reputable HDCP 2.2 compatible switch. Do you know of one? I was leaning towards DVDO since I've used their products in the past and they've made quality products. However, I'm not sure about this new line. I'd love to get a Matrix44 if it for sure would work with HDCP 2.2.
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There's a bunch out there that can do 4k on Amazon or just Google them.
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There's a bunch out there that can do 4k on Amazon or just Google them.
Yeah but none of them have amazing reviews and most aren't HDCP 2.2 compatible. Reviews on Amazon for the Blackbird, Monoprice, Kinivo, and others mention all kinds of issues.
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Yeah but none of them have amazing reviews and most aren't HDCP 2.2 compatible. Reviews on Amazon for the Blackbird, Monoprice, Kinivo, and others mention all kinds of issues.
Interesting. I didn't realize they were having problems like that. I guess over time they will flesh them out and get some better switches out there at a reasonable price.
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Thank you! I'm an idiot, had calibrated the display to the Edge, but not my component input to the Edge. (I'd done all sources on my previous display and somehow imagined that I'd done it w/ the Edge but hadn't).

Throwing in DVE, I quickly ended up with Brightness -8, Contrast +13, Saturation -3 Hue 0. I'm no pro but the half-screen built-in patterns from the Edge make it super straightforward. It's not perfect but it's a massive improvement over what I had before. Black was way off, and I wasn't getting full saturation until I bumped up the contrast, so lots more pop too.

Whiter whites, blacker blacks, just like a new detergent!
So, I was recently having issues with my new Tivo and my DVDO Edge. It seemed as if I had to set the Tivo to be Computer/Full RBG range to get proper levels, but I knew the Tivo outputs YCbCr 4:2:2 and limited range. After messing around a bit, I realized the brightness on my TV was just a bit too low, so I bumped that up, and after I did that, set the Tivo input back to video/limited RGB range and everything there looked fine.

I decided to check my other inputs. Anything HDMI was fine. However, my Pioneer DV-563a, set to 480i via component was just way out of control. The main issue was the brightness was just way too high. The DV-563a has it's own video settings, and I remember having set those to correct it (leaving all DVDO options set to 0). This time, I used DVE, and when I properly set the brightness via the Pioneer, what was really happening was it was clipping the black. While it make it look much better, when the Pioneer set "properly", increasing the brightness of the DVDO or my TV, no blacker-than-black was being passed. So I knew setting brightness via the Pioneer was wrong. Also, since the TV was set so all HDMI sources were right, I wasn't going to change anything there.

So, I had to adjust via the DVDO. Surprisingly, I ended up with almost the same settings as you: Brightnes = -10, Contrast = +16, Saturation = -16, Hue = 0. I'm wondering why the center settings of 0 do not seem to be right for 480i signals? HDMI inputs with my TV set properly, have all 0 settings in the DVDO. You'd think someone at DVDO would have set the 0 settings to be neutral.

Anyways, I was looking around the internet to see if this was just a problem with my Pioneer (as I initially thought), but then I came across your post and figured it was likely more an issue with the DVDO. Anyways, it looks just great now; just my OCD is tingling that I'm not using the "neutral" 0 settings.

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Hey everyone,

Been loving my DVDO Edge for years ... Recently moved and went for HT3.0, including upgrading my marantz SR8001 to an Marantz AV7702mkII and Marantz MM9000 separates. Been working on it for months, running cables, etc. I've run into one of my first weird issues -- static.... sometimes..

Here's the basic setup

Oppo BDP80
DVDO Edge
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Here's what I've found through testing..
  • It does not seem to the amp, nor any cables (audio or hdmi)
  • If Oppo is in LPCM decode mode with DVDO in chain, static occurs on surround L & R.
  • If Oppo is in bitstream mode with DVDO in chain, there's no audio at all!
  • If Oppo is in bitstream mode with DVDO removed from chain (BDP80 -> AV7702mkII), full audio, no static!
  • If I use an Oppo 3-input HDMI switch to bypass the DVDO for the BDP80 (but everything else still goes through DVDO), full audio, no static (regardless of LPCM or Bitstream on BDP80)!
This is really weird stuff.. Previous receiver (Marantz SR8001) never had any issues. I left the BDP80 in LPCM decode mode previously because SR8001 couldn't apply audyssey to a bitstream signal but could to decoded LPCM input. I don't mind whether I use bitstream or LPCM out of the BDP80, I just want it to work ... :/

Any ideas? Anyone else ever heard of such behavior with this combination of equipment? Only change to the setup is from the SR8001 to AV7702mkII + MM9000.

I'm at somewhat of a loss here, obviously...

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Hey everyone,

Been loving my DVDO Edge for years ... Recently moved and went for HT3.0, including upgrading my marantz SR8001 to an Marantz AV7702mkII and Marantz MM9000 separates. Been working on it for months, running cables, etc. I've run into one of my first weird issues -- static.... sometimes..

Here's the basic setup

Oppo BDP80
DVDO Edge
Marantz AV7702mkII

Here's what I've found through testing..
  • It does not seem to the amp, nor any cables (audio or hdmi)
  • If Oppo is in LPCM decode mode with DVDO in chain, static occurs on surround L & R.
  • If Oppo is in bitstream mode with DVDO in chain, there's no audio at all!
  • If Oppo is in bitstream mode with DVDO removed from chain (BDP80 -> AV7702mkII), full audio, no static!
  • If I use an Oppo 3-input HDMI switch to bypass the DVDO for the BDP80 (but everything else still goes through DVDO), full audio, no static (regardless of LPCM or Bitstream on BDP80)!
This is really weird stuff.. Previous receiver (Marantz SR8001) never had any issues. I left the BDP80 in LPCM decode mode previously because SR8001 couldn't apply audyssey to a bitstream signal but could to decoded LPCM input. I don't mind whether I use bitstream or LPCM out of the BDP80, I just want it to work ... :/

Any ideas? Anyone else ever heard of such behavior with this combination of equipment? Only change to the setup is from the SR8001 to AV7702mkII + MM9000.

I'm at somewhat of a loss here, obviously...

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Why? If all HD no need for it.
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Why? If all HD no need for it.
Because I still have legacy non-HDMI components (Nintendo Wii, Nintendo NES, etc), and I want to keep the priority input switching that it provides, which makes it very easy for the rest of the family to use ....

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I have gotten some really interesting results with my DVDO EDGE GREEN. I have been watching the NCAAW championship, which is on the ESPN family of channels, so unlike the men's side, it is broadcast in 720p. I have a 2160p Samsung 65" SUHDTV. Naturally, when watching the men's, the DVDO EDGE feeds the TV 1080p, the TV doubles it to 2160p, and all is good in the world. With the women's, I figured it would be better to output in 720p from the DVDO EDGE so that we didn't have a 720p>1080p>2160p conversion, instead going from 720p directly to 2160p. I had watched a few games each way, depending on whether I felt like switching the DVDO EDGE to 720p just for the game and then back again (for normal viewing most of what I watch is 1080i, and for the occasional 720p program, I don't care about what conversions are happening). For one of the recent games, I switched back to 1080p, and then did a couple of switches back and forth, and I noticed that outputting at 1080p looks noticeably better than outputting at 720p. What's strange is that having the DVDO EDGE scale the video halfway, and then letting the TV do the other half apparenly looks better than allowing the TV to directly scale and triple the pixels. When doing 720p>1080p>2160, I though I would take a huge loss for interpolating up to 1080p, then doubling the interpolated picture, as opposed to just tripling the 720p, but apparently that's not the case.

For reference, my cable company is a local company that uses high bitrate MPEG-2 (roughly 18-19mbps), but has pretty lousy encoders with a lot of artifacts, so it's a pretty good service to work with the DVDO EDGE. There is lots of data to work with, but the DVDO EDGE cleans up the messiness that their lousy encoders introduce into some of the channels. Also note that while I am pretty confident in what I'm seeing, it is subjective, and dependent on the settings I am using on the DVDO EDGE and the TV. My TiVo Premiere XL4 and Roamio OTA both output native mode to the DVDO EDGE, which I confirmed by the video format on the DVDO EDGE's info screen for that input.
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