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I am sticking with my Darbee until they come out with a HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2.
And 4K processing...
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And 4K processing...
Wont that be overkill with the picture quality and resolution on 4k already. I guess though i would have thought the same thing when 1080p was released. Its just hard to wrap my head round enhancing 4k video.

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Wont that be overkill with the picture quality and resolution on 4k already. I guess though i would have thought the same thing when 1080p was released. Its just hard to wrap my head round enhancing 4k video.
Well 4k is not the best... 8k is next in line... who knows what will be after that.

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The DVP-5000S is using visual presence 2.0 processing the DVP-5000 is not. There is an improvement with how the algorithm's deal with image processing.

This product aims to provide a similar function, but I have not had a chance to test it: http://www.marseilleinc.com/download..._Datasheet.pdf
Whatever it does, it's not adjustable. So, you get whatever "they" think is best. And you get it for everything you watch.
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Wont that be overkill with the picture quality and resolution on 4k already. I guess though i would have thought the same thing when 1080p was released. Its just hard to wrap my head round enhancing 4k video.
The Darby isn't about resolution. In fact, the higher the resolution, the better the effect looks.
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Well 4k is not the best... 8k is next in line... who knows what will be after that.
That would be something to see but im sure at some point our eyes wont be able to notice the difference or would they
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The Darby isn't about resolution. In fact, the higher the resolution, the better the effect looks.
Ah ! i wasn't really sure what it did (technically), but from all the reviews here most people say it makes a difference (an unveiling of some sort). i just found about about the darbee, so im really intrigued to see if it'll be as good as ive read . i've ordered the DVP-5000S to test it (i'm hoping it works for my situation).

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Ah ! i wasn't really sure what it did (technically), but from all the reviews here most people say it makes a difference (an unveiling of some sort). i just found about about the darbee, so im really intrigued to see if it'll be as good as ive read . i've ordered the DVP-5000S to test it (i'm hoping it works for my situation).
It's really quite amazing how it improves the picture without compromise (at least to most people). It enhances contrast at a really small spacial level. Grass looks grassy'er, fabrics look fabricy'er. It's hard to describe. And the weird thing is you notice it more when you turn it off than when you turn it on. It's like, "Hey, what happened? Everything got fuzzy!"
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anyone, some movies/film is grainy ( noise ), so when darbee is ON, does it become more annoying?


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It's really quite amazing how it improves the picture without compromise (at least to most people). It enhances contrast at a really small spacial level. Grass looks grassy'er, fabrics look fabricy'er. It's hard to describe. And the weird thing is you notice it more when you turn it off than when you turn it on. It's like, "Hey, what happened? Everything got fuzzy!"

It makes things sharper

Who needs 4K?... just go see your optometrist.
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It makes things sharper
That's what it looks like but that's not technically what it does. That's why it doesn't suffer from the usual ringing of sharpening algorithms. It works more on contrast. It's a very interesting process.
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That's what it looks like but that's not technically what it does. That's why it doesn't suffer from the usual ringing of sharpening algorithms. It works more on contrast. It's a very interesting process.
Thanks. cant wait to see it in action

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That would be something to see but im sure at some point our eyes wont be able to notice the difference or would they
4K may be beneficial. But 8K is crazy. We need to work on color, contrast and gamma before going for more resolution. The eye has an angular acuity that determines visible resolution. So it all depends on how close to the screen you want to sit: http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/eye...lution-viewing
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Apologies this is off topic but i need some help. I've decided to change my HDMI cable (reduce lenght) and i cant tell if there's any major difference between the two:

1. Select Active Series High Speed HDMI® Cable with RedMere
2. Cabernet Ultra CL2

The difference in price is quite small so i dont mind getting the more expensive one if its worth it. Because of my location returning/exchange is almost impossible so i'll rather get the better one now than have to re-order at some other point.

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I have got one of these to test etc

http://www.hdelite.eu/ActiveHD.html

I had Darbee before and currently on iscan mini for sharpening so going to add this to the loop.

It's the one someone linked here for mcable but much cheaper and and can do 4k60.

Good reviews on the French sites.

Should have it by end of next week.

So way my feed will work all inputs into dvdo duo (deinterlace) - > iscan mini (sharpening) - > hdelite to finish off - > TV

All the above is for 1080p only.

I have tried the above and instead of hdelite I had Darbee.

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has anyone tried out the DVP-5000S? Is the processing any differrent than the old version?

I recieved one and am debating wether to open it up, or just sell it.....
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has anyone tried out the DVP-5000S? Is the processing any differrent than the old version?

I recieved one and am debating wether to open it up, or just sell it.....
They say it uses a version 2 of the algorithm but no one's had commented in terms of if it makes a difference to processing or overall picture or not.

So far it seems like it's a better case and remote.

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The DVP-5000S is a significant upgrade over the 5000 in my opinion based upon my A/B testing with my professionally calibrated Panasonic 65" VT50.

With the 5000, I feel that only "High Def" mode was usable. Game mode and Full Pop modes were over the top, even on the lower settings. My opinion has changed with the 5000S, I feel that all modes are useable now and the differences between the modes are quite apparent.

In laymen's terms, I would describe the modes this way (DVP-5000S):

High Def mode: Appears to sharpen or focus the overall image.
Game mode: Appears to highlight reflections, but does not ruin whites.
Full Pop mode: Appears to highlight shadows, but does not crush blacks.

I observed that Full Pop mode (5000S), brought out the fabric details on dark suits while watching various news cast and interviews.

As with the previous Darbee's, the better the video feed, the better the result.

You could use Full Pop @ 50% and you will not adversely affect the image with the 5000S which you could not do so with the 5000. This is my personal observation only.

The new remote is night and day and is very enjoyable to use and although the Darbee is a device that you will probably want to set and forget. It works so well in all of the modes, that you will find yourself switching between them the first few day's that you have it connected. Which of course makes the new remote so important.
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Wont that be overkill with the picture quality and resolution on 4k already. I guess though i would have thought the same thing when 1080p was released. Its just hard to wrap my head round enhancing 4k video.
4K Samples in DarbeeVision Gallery: http://www.darbeevision.com/4k-samples/ Click on blue text to enlarge each image.
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I have only seen a Darbee solution in action once a while ago and I was left unimpressed.

Recently I have seen some frame captures from post processed images of some blu-ray titles and now those varies pieces of media at Darbee.com and frankly I continue to remain unimpressed.

It is interesting that the various examples use ungraded or subtly graded images making the accentuated contrast appear more beneficial but seems like it will over-saturate any heavily graded material.

The best setting seems to be the lowest degree and at that point why expend the resources for acquiring the unit in the first place. At least in my opinion.

Clearly many are quite pleased by the results but to me it looks like a series of conventional Photoshop tweaks or something relatively achievable to replicate similar results with adjusting ones display settings.

This was not affront to those that own and enjoy their units just some thoughts from an outside observer.

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The best setting seems to be the lowest degree and at that point why expend the resources for acquiring the unit in the first place. At least in my opinion.

Clearly many are quite pleased by the results but to me it looks like a series of conventional Photoshop tweaks or something relatively achievable to replicate similar results with adjusting ones display settings.

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Yes, most of us who find it useful do use it at pretty low settings. It's subtle and may not be worth the $200. Quite a number of us (myself included) were not impressed and removed it from our chain to return it. Then everything looked soft and we had to put it back! So it may be better to never see it in the first place.

I have not heard of any combination of "conventional" display controls that give the same effect as the Darbee. If you find something effective, let us know. Removing equipment from the chain is always good, image being equal.
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I have only seen a Darbee solution in action once a while ago and I was left unimpressed.

Recently I have seen some frame captures from post processed images of some blu-ray titles and now those varies pieces of media at Darbee.com and frankly I continue to remain unimpressed.

It is interesting that the various examples use ungraded or subtly graded images making the accentuated contrast appear more beneficial but seems like it will over-saturate any heavily graded material.

The best setting seems to be the lowest degree and at that point why expend the resources for acquiring the unit in the first place. At least in my opinion.

Clearly many are quite pleased by the results but to me it looks like a series of conventional Photoshop tweaks or something relatively achievable to replicate similar results with adjusting ones display settings.

This was not affront to those that own and enjoy their units just some thoughts from an outside observer.
Considering return policies, I challenge you to buy it, install it and put it on Hi-Def mode somewhere pleasing to you between 30-45%. Forget about it and don't touch it at all for 2 weeks. Then shut it off or remove it and see what happens.

...Don't forget to thank me after..

When I first heard of the Darbee I immediately wrote it off as snake oil whose popularity was perpetuated by nothing more than marketing, owners bias, wishful thinking and carefully selected comparison samples.

I was given the same challenge I gave you and when the price dropped to $200 I bought one. Honestly, without Darbee my image looks dull.
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Clearly many are quite pleased by the results but to me it looks like a series of conventional Photoshop tweaks or something relatively achievable to replicate similar results with adjusting ones display settings.
All you need to do is PhotoShop every frame of everything that you watch. In real time. Be my guest.
I'm sure it is possible to add the circuitry to a display. Oppo added it to their BDPs.
One day, perhaps someone will. In the meantime, I've been using my Darblet for years and wouldn't be without it.
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The detractors saying "Oh it's just a Photoshop filter." or "madVR is just is good if not better." always kill me. There's pretty much nothing out there that does what the Darbee does. If you don't like it, fine. Move along, this isn't the thread for you.
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I purchased the DVP-5000S and really enjoy it on HI DEF at 35%. I'm not sure how much improvement the new algorithm is but I can attest to the fact that the case and remote are leagues better. The old hardware was just plain sad looking. My only complaint is that it still doesn't pass ARC. I wonder what the big deal about implementing that is.
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My only complaint is that it still doesn't pass ARC. I wonder what the big deal about implementing that is.
They're not using 2-way HDMI transceivers maybe?
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Dreamliner, Glad to see that you are passing on the Darblet challenge: Darbee vision darblet . For any on the fence about trying Darblet, as I have said since I got my Darblet in 2013:

"I think of it (DarbeeVision) more as salt. You season to taste and want more with use. Take it away and you really miss it."
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I purchased the DVP-5000S and really enjoy it on HI DEF at 35%. I'm not sure how much improvement the new algorithm is but I can attest to the fact that the case and remote are leagues better. The old hardware was just plain sad looking. My only complaint is that it still doesn't pass ARC. I wonder what the big deal about implementing that is.
Interesting....... So the DVP-5000S Darbee stand alone unit cannot pass ARC through HDMI?? What could they have been thinking... That's just awful.

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i tested the new "s" and my old darblet, and i will be double dipped if anyone who has seen both can tell a difference on my 126" screen with a panny 8000. new look sure is sharp though!
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i tested the new "s" and my old darblet, and i will be double dipped if anyone who has seen both can tell a difference on my 126" screen with a panny 8000. new look sure is sharp though!
...that is to say you see no difference?
There's a comparison chart on the Darbee web site that suggests the same. Seems to be all about the cosmetics with this update.
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