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What to you videophiles have to say about this?

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The 2D is $2K so how does this rig compare to Lumagen and DVDO?

Anyone? Over 120 folks have looked

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Black Magic has a history of buying out broadcast equipment manufactures in financial distress and then selling the products at incredible prices. They did this with Davinci, Echolab and now Teranex. This product looks very close to the last generation of the Teranex with a few enhancements Black magic added.

For the price, this is a game changer as you put it. I will probably get one myself to replace my VP50pro.

Note it doesn't seem to be HDCP compliant. It says it will not "capture" from HDCP sources. Now I don't know if that means it will pass HDCP signals from input HDMI to output HDMI and just wont allow frame grabs or it may mean no HDCP support period. Of course taking in HDMI with HDCP and outputting HDSDI is not allowed. This is still being marketed to the broadcast and production community and here HDCP compliance is not really needed.

I am going to suggest to the moderator the thread title be changed to "$2000 Teranex". A lot of people on this forum know the Teranex history.

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Agree change the title moderators. If Glim said change then let er rip!

So Mr. G. is this a good option for high end scaling for the home theater or not?

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The 2D is $2K so how does this rig compare to Lumagen and DVDO?

Anyone? Over 120 folks have looked

The Teranex 2D/3D models are the RollsRoyce of Video Processors used in the Broadcast industry & are vastly superior in most every way when compared to DVDO, Lumagen which are aimed at the consumer market...

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The Teranex HDMI in/out are HDCP compliant which is why "quote" HDMI input is unable to capture from copy protected HDMI sources. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content."

So the Teranex is just like any other HDMI HDCP compliant component in that you can't Capture/Copy the Data Stream coming off the HDMI output if the HDMI source is Copy Protected ..

For Blu-Ray/DVD playback I would take advantage of the Teranex's HD-SDI coupled with A HD-SDI moded Bluray player such as Oppo..
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I dont know much about it, but didnt hqv use teranex?

Im a little baffled by very few hdmi connections, and does the 2d version at least pass 3d? I know it wont process it, but if i want to hook my bluray player up to it for standard def content, it wont do me any favors if it cant pass a 3d signal if i decide to watch 3d.

Also will this product see the light of day for consumers?
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The Teranex HDMI in/out are HDCP compliant which is why "quote" HDMI input is unable to capture from copy protected HDMI sources. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content."

So the Teranex is just like any other HDMI HDCP compliant component in that you can't Capture/Copy the Data Stream coming off the HDMI output if the HDMI source is Copy Protected ..

Are you sure of that? I mean did somebody confirm it will pass thru HDCP material? I'm not being argumentative but as I said, HDCP is not needed in the intended customer base. In my case I really don't care as I would only use it for upconversion. But I know many here will expect HDCP support.

As for the lack of HDMI inputs, just put a switcher in front of it. I know, kludgy but if this still the "real" Teranex product and not a dumbed down low cost version, it's well worth the trouble for people with large SD libraries.

As for the consumer customer base, no, it will not be widely adopted IMO. Those of us hard core videophiles will get one for sure but most users are just fine with AVRs and internal TV processors these days. As for purchasing, Black Magic has a wide network of dealers like B&H photo in NYC for example. And professional video equipment dealers will be happy to take anyone's money these days - especially a cash sale.

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Glimmie, While im not 100% on the HDCP compliant thing that was just my interpretation of it,
But I have contacted A Teranax Distrbutor & await his confirmation..

One Blackmagic Dealer I spoke with, believes that so long as the Teranax 3D HDMI output is connected to A
HDCP compliant Display device's HDMI in the Terenex will process/output the Data in the same way as consumer VPs..

But this remains unofficial untill we recieve confirmation from Blackmagic which could take A few days
Hopefully Cinamax or some insider can confirm...
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Are you sure of that? I mean did somebody confirm it will pass thru HDCP material? I'm not being argumentative but as I said, HDCP is not needed in the intended customer base. In my case I really don't care as I would only use it for upconversion. But I know many here will expect HDCP support.

As for the lack of HDMI inputs, just put a switcher in front of it. I know, kludgy but if this still the "real" Teranex product and not a dumbed down low cost version, it's well worth the trouble for people with large SD libraries.

As for the consumer customer base, no, it will not be widely adopted IMO. Those of us hard core videophiles will get one for sure but most users are just fine with AVRs and internal TV processors these days. As for purchasing, Black Magic has a wide network of dealers like B&H photo in NYC for example. And professional video equipment dealers will be happy to take anyone's money these days - especially a cash sale.


I looked at some websites (not all) did not notice this product, alot of other black magic products though.

Maybe someone can help me out here.

Really if this is infact better then radiance, theres little price point difference. Also would be quite curious if the 2d device can actually pass a 3d signal? I really dont know much about 3d, but i would still be curious, hard to hook up anything to the 2d device if you plan on watching a 3d disc, and it cant pass it.

I really have no use for this device since 95% of my viewing is hd or bluray, but i like vp's and i dont know why. I imagine it deinterlaces 1080i properly, but so does my current vp, I would be interested if the noise reduction has finally surpassed my algolith flea though.
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Glimmie, If you look at it this way say you had a ADA Rhapsody + BM you are in at say $10000 retail or there abouts. That less than most high end combo processors. Now there are exceptions like Integra/Onkyo, Marantz and Arcam/Audio Control [may weapon of choice] but still it pretty cool.

Cineramax is travelling and checks in the 20K and D-Cinema forums from time to time. He sent me a PM last night. As I recall he said all was good with HDCP. In fact I think Glimmie you were in that thread.

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It doesn't have an CMS so it's not a Radiance killer if you want CMS. Blackmagic does make a LUT box for about $500 you could put in line.

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I am interested in the 2d to 3d conversion. I am wondering if outputs frame packed 3d format for 2d to 3d conversions over hdmi of course?
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1 HDMI input and output? And they cost?

Good luck with that.

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They're not aimed at home cinema video processor users.

BM replaces their Multibridge series of converters and capture boxes with those. The smallest Multibridge unit was $1600, so with the 2D unit you get Teranex up- and downscaling for only $400 more. That's quite an offer.
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1 HDMI input and output? And they cost?

Good luck with that.

Yeah but don't most HT rooms have just 1 display (out) and a prepro, avr or switcher (in)?

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1 HDMI input and output? And they cost?

Good luck with that.

You're not the target market.

It's lucky it even has HDMI IMHO!
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You're not the target market.

It's lucky it even has HDMI IMHO!

It's very easy to convert non HDCP HDMI to HDSDI and back. The framework of the two standards is very similar. Many broadcast product manufactures that also make PC based products include HDMI these days.

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So the question is will this help my system?

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Cisco RN200 cable STB [HDMI out]
XBOX [Component out]
Sony BR300 ? BluRay [HDMI out]

SSP
Audio Control Maestro M3 aka ARCAM AV888 [HDMI 1.3]
This SSP has built in video processing by Pixel Works. An upgrade [M4 w/ HDMI 1.4] to the software and main board will allow video processor bypass.

Projector
DPI M260 LED w/ ISCO III lens and GetGray's Cineslide
DNP 23-23 Supernova 11.5' wide in 2.37 format

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Agreed about the market, especially since the 2D version has limited HDMI connections, no CMS, and no mention of 3D passthru, compared to a less expensive Lumagen RadianceMini-3D.

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CMS is an issue. As far as 3D pass thru I will dig a bit further.

There a ways around the HDMI inputs of course.

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There is some interesting banter on the $20,000.00 forum.

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There is some interesting banter on the $20,000.00 forum.

Not sure why you wouldn't provide a link. Am I the only one who here who doesn't routinely frequent the $20,000 forum?
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The new BM/Terrenex will not pass HDCP.

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2D unit does not have 3D pass thru assuming I asked the question correctly...

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The new BM/Terrenex will not pass HDCP.

that's a real shame, but I kinda suspected it already. I guess the 2D Teranex along with a HDF4 is still a good enough deal to give it some thoughts!
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That's what the sales dept told me I spoke to two different reps.

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The new BM/Terrenex will not pass HDCP.

Well that kinda makes sense. AIUI, an HDCP license is $15K per product. The design must be approved in terms of hacking security. And there are other restrictions and requirements that must be adhered to.

Probably doesn't make sense for a product targeted at the professional video production market. We have already seen the comments here about lack of input switching and CMS. It's just not a one box HT scaler and we know external scalers are becoming obsolete anyway as most AVRs and displays have decent built in scalers these days.

I am still going to get one for my SD to HD upconversions to replace my VP50pro.

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What SD do you still have?

I guess you could push DVDs in at 480i.

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What SD do you still have?

I guess you could push DVDs in at 480i.

1) DVD - I have not seen a software player yet that beats an SDI equipped hardware player.

2) Laser Disk

3) 3/4in tape. Lots of concerts from the 80 recorded off satellite with a good backyard dish. Way superior to VHS, SVHS, and Betamax.

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Yeah forgot about modded DVD players. Those were the days

That 3/4" tape format sounds interesting. Bet you did not get that rig in a retail store!

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