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The OCULE is a video processor like the Darbee and it is even powered by Darbee as stated on their aluminum box BUT Sewell told me when I asked them if the guts of their processor is ALL Darbee? I was told. "It does include Darbee parts but it is completely our own item."



Has anyone used this processor or compared it to a Darbee?

http://sewelldirect.com/Ocule-by-Salt-Labs.asp

I asked Sewell for tech info and they sent me a quote for 22 100 ft repeater HDMI cables for $1650.00. That did not build much confidence.



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The OCULE is a video processor like the Darbee and it is even powered by Darbee as stated on their aluminum box BUT Sewell told me when I asked them if the guts of their processor is ALL Darbee? I was told. "it is completely our own item."



Has anyone used this processor or compared it to a Darbee?

http://sewelldirect.com/Ocule-by-Salt-Labs.asp



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Wow. OK. .............. but biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

"Wow. OK....but" But what? Are you trying to say something?

How can they say it is their own item when, if you look closely on their box, it is Powered by Darbee

I am interested in this item and trying to find out what it really is. Is it all Darbee except for the box or is it a Darbee that has been modified by Salt Labs?

Has anyone compared between the two?



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Whoa.....my bad.....sorry! I was laughing at that response you got, agreeing completely with you about it. smile.gif Why I bolded the words I did.
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Whoa.....my bad.....sorry! I was laughing at that response you got, agreeing completely with you about it. smile.gif Why I bolded the words I did.

Oh! OK.

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For those that might be interested.

SALT just got back to me regarding the differences between their Ocule and the Darbee 5000


The Ocule is similar to the Darblet and as far as the Darbee Visual Presence technology goes it functions just the same as the Darblet, but it has some great improvements over the Darblet.

- The Ocule will have a 2 port HDMI switch built into it, which allows you to directly connect 2 HDMI sources and switch between them. That HDMI switch can either be controlled via the IR Remote, a universal IR remote or CEC functionality through your TV.

- The Ocule will have a premium milled anodized aluminum enclosure

- All of the ports on the Ocule have been moved to the back of the unit in order for it to better sit in or next to an A/V equipment stack

- The Ocule has an improved remote control with an aluminum back and embossed plastic front

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Other than the second HDMI input, the other changes are all cosmetic. Those of us who switch video sources at a different point in the chain (like an A/V receiver) before outputting to the Darblet will probably not find it worth the price difference.

Further, I think that the white box is actually uglier than the (already ugly) Darblet. Couldn't they have at least made it black?

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Other than the second HDMI input, the other changes are all cosmetic. Those of us who switch video sources at a different point in the chain (like an A/V receiver) before outputting to the Darblet will probably not find it worth the price difference.

Further, I think that the white box is actually uglier than the (already ugly) Darblet. Couldn't they have at least made it black?


Yes they do have a black case but not metal.



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I don't ever recall Darby saying anything like

"The Ocule's processor takes each frame of video and mathematically makes a version of it from the right and another version of the picture from the left (as if there were two cameras pointed at the image), and then takes those two images and subtracts out the differences. And so, the "depth cues" (those areas of the picture that tell your mind you're looking at a picture with some depth) stand out a bit more, improving the overall quality of the image, making the illusion of depth much more compelling than with your standard HDTV "

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I don't ever recall Darby saying anything like

"The Ocule's processor takes each frame of video and mathematically makes a version of it from the right and another version of the picture from the left (as if there were two cameras pointed at the image), and then takes those two images and subtracts out the differences. And so, the "depth cues" (those areas of the picture that tell your mind you're looking at a picture with some depth) stand out a bit more, improving the overall quality of the image, making the illusion of depth much more compelling than with your standard HDTV "

Sewell is licensed by Darby as an on-line retailer. Therefore, my guess is, what Sewell is saying is probably true regarding the video process.



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It has always been in their marketing "white paper". Often forgotten or maybe just never read.

http://darbeevision.com/mediafiles/files/white-paper.pdf
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So I see in the white paper, thanks; I guess I never read it.

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So I see in the white paper, thanks; I guess I never read it.

I didn't either.

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OCULE and HALITE appear to be two diiferent products - as for the differences? (Besides Black and White + more expensive then Darbee)
No actual text as to why they are better than Darbee - to New for any comparisons at this point in the game.
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OCULE and HALITE appear to be two diiferent products - as for the differences? (Besides Black and White + more expensive then Darbee)
No actual text as to why they are better than Darbee - to New for any comparisons at this point in the game.

Darbee guts with:

Halite has a new designed plastic body
Ocule has a milled block of aluminium for its body along with two HDMI ports in

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Darbee guts with:

Halite has a new designed plastic body
Ocule has a milled block of aluminium for its body along with two HDMI ports in

The Halite is available now, the OCULE later this Fall, and supposedly with a few Extra Features.
Wonder if we can still get the Introductory Offer, because I can't find it anywhere?
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The Halite is available now, the OCULE later this Fall, and supposedly with a few Extra Features.
Wonder if we can still get the Introductory Offer, because I can't find it anywhere?

I pre-ordered the Ocule for $349.00 which was the pre-ordered price. They have now raised the pre-ordered price to $399.00. BUT I just canceled the order two days ago.

Since I already own the Darbee 5000, I decided to wait until Darbee came out with 2.0 HDMI ports which I have been told possibly next year. If I am going to upgrade components, I don't want to get items now when they all will be coming out with HDMI 2.0 and then upgrade again.

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I pre-ordered the Ocule for $349.00 which was the pre-ordered price. They have now raised the pre-ordered price to $399.00. BUT I just canceled the order two days ago.

Since I already own the Darbee 5000, I decided to wait until Darbee came out with 2.0 HDMI ports which I have been told possibly next year. If I am going to upgrade components, I don't want to get items now when they all will be coming out with HDMI 2.0 and then upgrade again.

Then again, there's Black Friday coming up, and Darbee usually has a Special then. Halite/OCULE - ? (Big jump from Original $295 Introductory Special - I guess the Chinese wanting wage increases is affecting the pricing!)
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Just received an e-mail from Salt Labs regarding the Halite and the Darblet.

It looks like they are no longer in partnership with DarbeeVision and dumping their products.

Here are the prices that were quoted...


1) Get one of an extremely limited supply of the Halite by Salt and get a $100 discount (your price would be $250).
2) Get a Darblet by DarbeeVision for $50 off (your price would be $269)
3) Get a Cobalt by DarbeeVision for $50 off (your price would be $219)

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Dear Salt Customer,



Thank you for your continued support of Salt products. We regret to inform you however that production on the Ocule and Halite Video Purifiers has been discontinued. The Ocule will no longer be for sale, and we will discontinue the Halite after our small amount of stock is sold.



This decision was the hardest decision we've had to make here at Salt. Because DarbeeVision's initial role was to develop DVP technology, their Darblet's weak design was ill-suited for high-end home theaters. When Salt originally partnered with DarbeeVision, the goal was to share DVP technology with anyone who had an HDMI-ready TV by providing a product with superior industrial design and component quality than the original Darblet. This put Salt in position to be a design partner with DarbeeVision, and DarbeeVision would continue to develop a technology platform that manufacturers like Salt could build into their products. Since that time, DarbeeVision has changed roles.



DarbeeVision used inspiration from Salt to begin improving their industrial design and so began their role as product designer. We were proud to inspire DarbeeVision to make some progress towards creating a consumer-friendly product but since that was Salt's goal all along, we have decided that there is no longer a place for us in this partnership. We ended the partnership amicably last week, and we are still proud to offer the Darblet and Cobalt to the public.



Thank you for your Support.
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Sent e-mail re purchasing a Halite - no responce.

Responce received - Purchased. Interested to compare to my currrent Darbee. Was going to buy a second Darbee during Black Friday Specials, but this is a better deal, and supposedly one up on the Darbee. Will post results.
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Sent e-mail re purchasing a Halite - no responce.

Responce received - Purchased. Interested to compare to my currrent Darbee. Was going to buy a second Darbee during Black Friday Specials, but this is a better deal, and supposedly one up on the Darbee. Will post results.

They canceled the Ocule that I ordered

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Have no need for a Dual HDMI Input since I'm using iScan Duos, or in this case on my set, the Radiance XE-3D. In that I was looking for a Black Friday Special on the Darbee, the Halite will more than do. Since 4K, realistically, won't really be a factor to 2015/16, decided to take the plunge, and hope they're saying the Halite is Better than the Darbee will be true. (Plus $19 cheaper)
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Have no need for a Dual HDMI Input since I'm using iScan Duos, or in this case on my set, the Radiance XE-3D. In that I was looking for a Black Friday Special on the Darbee, the Halite will more than do. Since 4K, realistically, won't really be a factor to 2015/16, decided to take the plunge, and hope they're saying the Halite is Better than the Darbee will be true. (Plus $19 cheaper)

Other than a good looking Halite case the components should be the same.

I wanted the Ocule not for the dual HDMI ports but for the milled aluminum case. I thought that would be great



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A question I posed to my son many years ago: If you have a choice between a very well dressed girl, but a real witch, and a nice girl who dresses kind of plain, which would you chose? He chose the well dressed girl!
Salt says their unit incorporates Darbee, but they improved upon what they saw as short comings in the Darbee.
Time will tell.
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A question I posed to my son many years ago: If you have a choice between a very well dressed girl, but a real witch, and a nice girl who dresses kind of plain, which would you chose? He chose the well dressed girl!
Salt says their unit incorporates Darbee, but they improved upon what they saw as short comings in the Darbee.
Time will tell.

Let me know what you think when the Halite pops in.

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It looks like its a darblet in a case within a case but I don't know.

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Halite currently stuck in Customs - probably can't figure out what it is.
Seems that they also have my IR Remote for my Samsung PN64F8500 stuck there as well.
Amazon.ca order got caught in Toronto's snow storm, maybe that's what's happening to the other 2 as well. Green grass up North here.

Looks like a Wednesday arrival.

Received. Remote the exact same as Darbee, except has Halite imprinted as well. Same size. Comes with a fancy HDMI Cable and a 3 Year Warrantee.
Warming up my TV and Halite to take calibration readings. Then compare PQ's. (Found Darbee did affect the Red somewhat, that's why I leave it in during calibration.)

First impressions:

Same remote: initially wouldn't work. Interchanged batteries, then it worked. Took white eraser to battery, now OK.
Different readings through each: Darbee +/- 3. Halite +/- 10 - which means I will have to recalibrate for the Halite.
Halite appears to have little more like 4K qualities (Solid) - won't confim until after calibration.

During and after calibration:
As like when we first starting using the Darbee, we have grown to find the improvements can be very subtle. More detailing in an eye, more sharpness in things and objects, etc. One thing that use to bother me about my LG 55LHX was, I could calibrate a great looking PQ, but found that somewhat soft look annoying. The Darbee cleared this up. Now I moved the Darbee over to my wife's 55LHX, first thing she said to me was it now looks clearer.
The Halite, has the same Darbee subtle improvements, but a little clearer, and from what I could see during calibration, the colour screens seemed to be fuller and bolder. Definitely not drastic, but just made a more solid PQ. (Half way to 4K look?)

Darbee before calibrating with it inline, could go a max of HD 50. After calibration 70.
Halite before calibration max of 50. after calibration 40. Halite vs the Darbee, the Halite seems a tad clearer, and seems to clear up graininess to give the more fuller look.. (Cheap 4K Fix?)
At the current clearing price of $250 - the Halite would be the better choice over the Darbee.
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Very limited supply left on the Halites if you were thinking of getting one.
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Mine should be delivered tomorrow via fedex from Sewell Direct. I'm pretty excited about it and can't wait to see how it improves the PQ on my Samsung UN60F7100AFXZA! Did any of you have any luck controling the Halite with a Harmony remote?

Samsung UN60F7100 LED
Pioneer Elite SC-77
OPPO BDP-103
SALT HALITE (DARBEE Video Purifier)
Apple TV, Sony PS3, Nintendo Wii
DirectTV Genie HR34
Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Turntable
Amped Wireless AV300
APC H15 Power Conditioner
Polk TSI400's, Polk CS10's, Polk T15's, Polk OMW5's
2 x Bic Acoustech...
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